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Federal immigration authorities apprehended a 19-year-old in New York despite realizing he was not the intended target. The young man, Merwil Gutiérrez, was later deported to El Salvador's notorious super prison, despite his family's insistence that he has no gang ties or criminal history. His father, Wilmer Gutiérrez, is now searching for answers after his son was snatched by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents. "The officers grabbed him and two other boys right at the entrance to our building.One of the ICE officers said, 'No, he's not the one,' like they were looking for someone else. But the other ICE officer said, 'Take him anyway,' Wilmer told Documented, an independent, nonprofit newsroom dedicated to reporting for immigrant communities in New York City."
According to his father, the agents initially acknowledged he was not the individual they were seeking—but chose to detain him anyway. Just days later, Gutiérrez was deported to El Salvador, where he was transferred to a high security prison known for housing members of violent gangs, including the transnational criminal group Tren de Aragua. His family and attorneys say he has no criminal record, no gang affiliations, and "not even a tattoo," which authorities often use to profile alleged gang members. Wilmer Gutiérrez last spoke to his son on March 16 during a brief call allowed by police. He had spent days searching for information, visiting police stations and courthouses, only to be told there was no record of his son. Wilmer Gutiérrez later discovered through a news report that his son had been deported to El Salvador under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. "I could have understood if he'd been sent back to Venezuela," he said. "But why to a foreign country he's never even been to?"
before we discuss this blatant display of cruelty.the Alien Enemies Act of 1798.
The officers responsible for the arrest in question need to be terminated and they need to lose all pay, benefits, and pensions. They also need to be banned from law enforcement, professional licensure, politics, and military service.ICE agents realize they arrested wrong teen, say 'take him anyway'
Merwil Gutiérrez, was deported to El Salvador's notorious super prison, despite his family's insistence that he has no gang ties or criminal history.www.newsweek.com
Why? Because Trump has a $6 million contract with Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele to "disappear" people inside El Salvador's enormous CECOT prison, which may be the largest p[rison ion the world. Bukele said yesterday that once someone is locked up in CECOT, there is no way to remove that person from the prison, mistake or not. (This is of course a lie. All governments have protocols on extradition, prisoner transfers, etc.)
Then you will be able to cite the laws that were broken, and his conviction that make this "clear". Of course, there is the slight problem of ICE admitting they arrested the wrong person, so I'm curious about the criteria you used in reaching your conclusion.I watched the meeting the El Salvador president, Trump, his staff and the news media. Seems clear to me that the guy is excatly where he belongs.
Because Trump and his staff said so? I hope you never invest in his merchandise because they are the "best" according to Trump. I mean if he says something is so, it must be so, amirite?I watched the meeting the El Salvador president, Trump, his staff and the news media. Seems clear to me that the guy is excatly where he belongs.
Someone repeating Trump and Fox talking points without any legal analysis or thoughtfulness.Then you will be able to cite the laws that were broken, and his conviction that make this "clear".
What part of the presser convinced you?I watched the meeting the El Salvador president, Trump, his staff and the news media. Seems clear to me that the guy is excatly where he belongs.
That would at least make some kind of sense.Someone repeating Trump and Fox talking points without any legal analysis or thoughtfulness.
Is that because he is Hispanic? ICE admitted he was the wrong person when they grabbed him. He has no gang ties or criminal history so why is he is a prison in El Salvador, despite his Due Process rights?I watched the meeting the El Salvador president, Trump, his staff and the news media. Seems clear to me that the guy is excatly where he belongs.
No, he is not where he belongs. You have zero evidence to support that statement. That is not how we do things in America. We have due process, which everyone gets. No one should know how important due process is than another guy in the room, an actual criminal, who was in that room because he exploited due process far beyond the intended of due process. One of the guys in that room should be in prison; Garcia should be with his family.I watched the meeting the El Salvador president, Trump, his staff and the news media. Seems clear to me that the guy is excatly where he belongs.
I fear that there is no real "mistake" here. Yes, the man was wrongly deported, but I think Trump is using this to test the limits of his power (legal and political). He wants to see if he gets away with this most egregious violation of American and human rights. If he gets away with it, and I fear he will, he will realize there are no limits. With no limits, he will feel free to disappear American citizens that he does not like, some of whom will end up in this prison or dead (with people believing their loved ones are in this prison) This is exceptionally dangerous stuff.The officers responsible for the arrest in question need to be terminated and they need to lose all pay, benefits, and pensions. They also need to be banned from law enforcement, professional licensure, politics, and military service.
I watched the meeting the El Salvador president, Trump, his staff and the news media. Seems clear to me that the guy is excatly where he belongs.
It would also take some effort and some people can be bothered to put in the effort to check out the legalities.That would at least make some kind of sense.
They actually endorse it.NO. One ICE officer realized they had made a mistake by arresting Merwil Gutiérrez and informed his partner. The ICE partner said: "Take him anyway."
Holy Mother of Christ! Can't you understand what you are condoning? Bypassing all due process and sending someone off to a "black site" gulag in El Salvador where redress is impossible.
What kind of a person countenances this? Even the Soviets pretended legality with their kangaroo trials. This is just POOF -- you're "disappeared". Mistake notwithstanding.
This is what Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet did to opponents... he disappeared them. And it was a US coup that installed Pinochet. Now it is happening right here.
I watched the meeting the El Salvador president, Trump, his staff and the news media. Seems clear to me that the guy is excatly where he belongs.
Then you will be able to cite the laws that were broken, and his conviction that make this "clear". Of course, there is the slight problem of ICE admitting they arrested the wrong person, so I'm curious about the criteria you used in reaching your conclusion.
NO. One ICE officer realized they had made a mistake by arresting Merwil Gutiérrez and informed his partner. The ICE partner said: "Take him anyway."
Holy Mother of Christ! Can't you understand what you are condoning? Bypassing all due process and sending someone off to a "black site" gulag in El Salvador where redress is impossible.
What kind of a person countenances this? Even the Soviets pretended legality with their kangaroo trials. This is just POOF -- you're "disappeared". Mistake notwithstanding.
This is what Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet did to opponents... he disappeared them. And it was a US coup that installed Pinochet. Now it is happening right here.
It’s likely to be sooner rather than later with the opioid crisis and meth.This will continue until a few Trump voters are "mistakenly" rounded up and taken out of the country.
“Habeus Corpus” was put in the Constitution for EXACTLY this kind of thing.No, he is not where he belongs. You have zero evidence to support that statement. That is not how we do things in America. We have due process, which everyone gets. No one should know how important due process is than another guy in the room, an actual criminal, who was in that room because he exploited due process far beyond the intended of due process. One of the guys in that room should be in prison; Garcia should be with his family.
That all notwithstanding, this is an obvious issue of constitutional rights and human decency, yet you seemingly are arguing on the wrong side of this. Do you have a hard deck of decency? Is there anything Trump would do that would outrage you or are you all in on the cult (happy to set aside the US Constitution because its inconvenient to Trump's tyranny)? asking for a friend.
I fear that there is no real "mistake" here. Yes, the man was wrongly deported, but I think Trump is using this to test the limits of his power (legal and political). He wants to see if he gets away with this most egregious violation of American and human rights. If he gets away with it, and I fear he will, he will realize there are no limits. With no limits, he will feel free to disappear American citizens that he does not like, some of whom will end up in this prison or dead (with people believing their loved ones are in this prison) This is exceptionally dangerous stuff.
Up to this point, I thought Trump was tracking toward an Orban type democracy, but Trump has stepped beyond the bounds of human decency of anything Orban has ever done. Trump is showing himself to be a ruthless tyrant with no regard to human life. This is going to get worse.
For those that don't like the Hitler argument, well its time to wake up and pay attention. Welcome to the parallel track of Hitler's rise to power. What we are witnessing is very third world dictator stuff and heading toward Hilteresque powers. Time to embrace the argument.
ICE agents realize they arrested wrong teen, say 'take him anyway'
Merwil Gutiérrez, was deported to El Salvador's notorious super prison, despite his family's insistence that he has no gang ties or criminal history.www.newsweek.com
Why? Because Trump has a $6 million contract with Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele to "disappear" people inside El Salvador's enormous CECOT prison, which may be the largest p[rison ion the world. Bukele said yesterday that once someone is locked up in CECOT, there is no way to remove that person from the prison, mistake or not. (This is of course a lie. All governments have protocols on extradition, prisoner transfers, etc.)
He knows.Can't you understand what you are condoning?
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