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I think we've found Elon Musk's political problem. He's deluded. To the point of insanity.

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He's drunk the kool-aid.

I just saw he tweeted a graphic to explain his point of view, made of stick men on a line.

There's a stick man on the left and on the right, and he drew himself a little left of center.

Then he showed the stick man on the left going way further to the left, and the center line moving to the left so now he's a bit on the right. His text said he strongly supported Obama, but now the Democrats are radicals.

Someone sensible tweeted some reality to him: Obama's party is led by Obama's VP, while Republicans are led by a guy who tried to have a coup, but it's the Democrats who are the radicals.

I had a thread on the problem of the Americans caught in a propaganda bubble of the right, and it looks clear Musk is one of them.
 
EDGELORD.

Elon Musk talks, thinks and acts EXACTLY like folks that some people call "edgelords".

edgelord
/ˈejˌlôrd/

noun
INFORMAL


[*]a person who affects a provocative or extreme persona, especially online (typically used of a man).
"edgelords act like contrarians in the hope that everyone will admire them as rebels"


I ****ing despise edgelords.
I've always despised them.

I despise their willful immaturity, the way they talk, think, act, I despise the fact that they think they are ABOVE
anything and everything that has a profound impact on the lives of the majority of Americans, and I despise the fact
that most of them usually "LIVE WITH MOMMY AND DADDY" and are therefore protected from any inconvenient realities
of life that might upset their carefully constructed fantasy world.

And the only difference between them and Elon Musk is the fact that he really is a mad genius and he has a quarter-trillion dollar valuation on his companies.
It's not that edgelords are stupid, it's that they are emotionally and intellectually immature and very entitled, and usually very narcissistic.
Add 250 billion dollars, and you have a madman who thinks he's God Walking the Earth.

THE KING OF ALL EDGELORDS!

It's no wonder he's turning into a wannabe Rupert Murdoch.
Looks like he's become bored with running SpaceX and Tesla and now he wants a new toy to play with.
Why would he care if he blows up the rest of his companies, he's got $250 Bn in assets to play with.
 
He's drunk the kool-aid.
I just saw he tweeted a graphic to explain his point of view, made of stick men on a line.

A few people wrote in to let Elon know that they fixed his graphic for him.

elon musk left right fixed it for ya.png
 
I'd neve heard the term, but it seems consistent with Musk, but I don't think that's his only problem.
 
Musk is right. There's no question the left has been moving further and further to the left for decades. Now they are at the point where many openly call themselves socialists and are complaining because someone dares to suggest speech should be free.
 
Musk is right. There's no question the left has been moving further and further to the left for decades. Now they are at the point where many openly call themselves socialists and are complaining because someone dares to suggest speech should be free.

You are racing away from sanity to the right, and think that it's the left moving to the left. That's delusional.

List me ten Democratic officials - that shouldn't be hard for "many" - who call themselves socialist. Hint: Bernie has explained he is not a socialist.

There have always been limits from responsible people on free speech. List your *specific* cases you object to. Then put a sticker on your forehead saying "hypocrite" for supporting the party burning books and outlawing acknowledging the existence of gay or transgender people as much as they can.

Of course you think Musk is right, since you have drunk the same kool-aid, are in the same propaganda bubble.
 
I guarantee you at least two yokels WILL BUY a Tesla, wives will try to fill em up with Regular at Walmart, blow up the electrics & that's when you will see a Tesla Model S with a CB antenna rolling coal b/c Junior dropped a diesel under the hood. Oh and, it will have MUD FLAPS! Oh and since @elonmusk is now a Texan, he will be one of the first to see it. And he'll shit himself. OMG I'd give anything to be a fly on the windshield when he does. 😆😆😆
 
I guarantee you at least two yokels WILL BUY a Tesla, wives will try to fill em up with Regular at Walmart, blow up the electrics & that's when you will see a Tesla Model S with a CB antenna rolling coal b/c Junior dropped a diesel under the hood. Oh and, it will have MUD FLAPS! Oh and since @elonmusk is now a Texan, he will be one of the first to see it. And he'll shit himself. OMG I'd give anything to be a fly on the windshield when he does. 😆😆😆
Bernard Woolsey called saying if you were a fly on the windshield, you wouldn't see it because you'd be squished.
 
You are racing away from sanity to the right, and think that it's the left moving to the left. That's delusional.

List me ten Democratic officials - that shouldn't be hard for "many" - who call themselves socialist. Hint: Bernie has explained he is not a socialist.

There have always been limits from responsible people on free speech. List your *specific* cases you object to. Then put a sticker on your forehead saying "hypocrite" for supporting the party burning books and outlawing acknowledging the existence of gay or transgender people as much as they can.

Of course you think Musk is right, since you have drunk the same kool-aid, are in the same propaganda bubble.
Of course the left is moving to the left. Conservatives resist change, that's one of the main traits of being conservatives. Bill Maher has said the same thing as Musk, he's a liberal, he says he has stayed the same but the party keeps moving further away from him to the left.

Regarding the socialists, I was referring to posters on boards such as these. Basically they want to apologize for socialism, they want to defang the term, they want to say it's not so bad, and they point to how most economies are a mix of socialism and capitalism (they're right on that).

Regarding free speech, there are likely commentators on MSNBC right now talking about how dangerous free speech is. We know how the game works, they want to stop speech of anyone who disagrees with them. This is a tactic of the left, not the right, with their buzzwords "misinformation", "disinformation", and "hate speech". Of course they simply label anyone on the right at all "white supremacists", so they are therefore justified in shutting them up. Some of the more well known examples of censorship was the coverup of the Hunter laptop as "Russian disinformation" which they later had to admit existed, and the possibility that CoVid might have come from a Wuhan lab.

I have never supported burning books, but the left bans or bans advertising for books with content they don't agree with. No one has outlawed acknowledging the existence of LGBTQ people. The Parental Rights Law in Florida does not allow instruction on gender identity through third grade, which I agree with. Why does a kindergartener need to know what a pansexual is?
 
Of course the left is moving to the left. Conservatives resist change, that's one of the main traits of being conservatives. Bill Maher has said the same thing as Musk, he's a liberal, he says he has stayed the same but the party keeps moving further away from him to the left.

Regarding the socialists, I was referring to posters on boards such as these. Basically they want to apologize for socialism, they want to defang the term, they want to say it's not so bad, and they point to how most economies are a mix of socialism and capitalism (they're right on that).

Regarding free speech, there are likely commentators on MSNBC right now talking about how dangerous free speech is. We know how the game works, they want to stop speech of anyone who disagrees with them. This is a tactic of the left, not the right, with their buzzwords "misinformation", "disinformation", and "hate speech". Of course they simply label anyone on the right at all "white supremacists", so they are therefore justified in shutting them up. Some of the more well known examples of censorship was the coverup of the Hunter laptop as "Russian disinformation" which they later had to admit existed, and the possibility that CoVid might have come from a Wuhan lab.

I have never supported burning books, but the left bans or bans advertising for books with content they don't agree with. No one has outlawed acknowledging the existence of LGBTQ people. The Parental Rights Law in Florida does not allow instruction on gender identity through third grade, which I agree with. Why does a kindergartener need to know what a pansexual is?

So, you can't name one Democratic official who calls themselves a socialist, but that's a big thing that 'many' Democrats do. I can remember I think one poster here who does.

Bill Maher is not a liberal IMO. He seems to claim to be, but constantly agrees with right-wingers and insults liberals and his audience for being liberal. Constantly. He uses it a a front for his program and attacks some right-wingers to keep his audience happy while mocking them for being happy about it. 'Ya, you WOULD like that.'.

You're completely wrong about free speech. The right is the side that can't STAND people for disagreeing with them. The left doesn't limit free speech for that, but for specific things usually involving danger to people - covid lies, hate speech etc. Those aren't 'buzzwords', they're accurate labels. They don't label everyone on the right white supremacists, and I've never seen anyone on MSNBC says "free speech is dangerous". I *do* see the right say it is.

I haven't seen what you claim about Hunter's laptop or the Wuhan lab theory, either. I have seen reports scientists say all the evidence points to it coming from the wild rather than a lab. I just watched right-wing legislators support literally banning books *tonight*. It doesn't matter if you personally do, we're talking about 'the right'. The law you agree with bans telling some grades gay people exist.
 
He's drunk the kool-aid.

I just saw he tweeted a graphic to explain his point of view, made of stick men on a line.

There's a stick man on the left and on the right, and he drew himself a little left of center.

Then he showed the stick man on the left going way further to the left, and the center line moving to the left so now he's a bit on the right. His text said he strongly supported Obama, but now the Democrats are radicals.

Someone sensible tweeted some reality to him: Obama's party is led by Obama's VP, while Republicans are led by a guy who tried to have a coup, but it's the Democrats who are the radicals.

I had a thread on the problem of the Americans caught in a propaganda bubble of the right, and it looks clear Musk is one of them.
The left is just mad because he bought and it's breaking their toys.

I just had a thought maybe this isn't so good leftist diluted themselves into believing they were a majority by creating the echo chamber known as Twitter. So maybe now they might get a grip and vote someone in that can do anything when they have the house and pretty close to the Senate.

Nah.
 
EDGELORD.

Elon Musk talks, thinks and acts EXACTLY like folks that some people call "edgelords".

edgelord
/ˈejˌlôrd/

noun
INFORMAL


[*]a person who affects a provocative or extreme persona, especially online (typically used of a man).
"edgelords act like contrarians in the hope that everyone will admire them as rebels"


I ****ing despise edgelords.
I've always despised them.

I despise their willful immaturity, the way they talk, think, act, I despise the fact that they think they are ABOVE
anything and everything that has a profound impact on the lives of the majority of Americans, and I despise the fact
that most of them usually "LIVE WITH MOMMY AND DADDY" and are therefore protected from any inconvenient realities
of life that might upset their carefully constructed fantasy world.

And the only difference between them and Elon Musk is the fact that he really is a mad genius and he has a quarter-trillion dollar valuation on his companies.
It's not that edgelords are stupid, it's that they are emotionally and intellectually immature and very entitled, and usually very narcissistic.
Add 250 billion dollars, and you have a madman who thinks he's God Walking the Earth.

THE KING OF ALL EDGELORDS!

It's no wonder he's turning into a wannabe Rupert Murdoch.
Looks like he's become bored with running SpaceX and Tesla and now he wants a new toy to play with.
Why would he care if he blows up the rest of his companies, he's got $250 Bn in assets to play with.
I'm trying to remember when the left turned on him because he was a deity a few years ago.

Must have been covid stuff.
 
Musk is right. There's no question the left has been moving further and further to the left for decades. Now they are at the point where many openly call themselves socialists and are complaining because someone dares to suggest speech should be free.
LOL, you don't even bother to attempt to support your nonsense!

October 15, 2020
"..
Trump at times grew agitated with Guthrie during the 60-minute town hall event Thursday. When the “Today” show co-host asked why, during his debate appearance last month, Trump would not denounce white supremacy, he interrupted her.
..
“You’re the president, you’re not, like, someone’s crazy uncle who can just retweet whatever," she replied.."

Trump refuses to say the QAnon conspiracy theory is false - Vox​

https://www.vox.com › 2020/10/15 › donald-trump-to...

Oct 15, 2020 — "Let me just tell you what I do hear about it is they are very strongly against pedophilia and I agree with that."

Colorado is not even a red state, neither is Pennsylvania....
During the forum, which was sponsored by the Arizona Clean Elections Commission, he again denied that he is the mysterious person who goes by the name “Q.”
Apr. 28, 2022
"It was a strange debate appearance Wednesday night from Ron Watkins. He’s the long-shot Republican candidate for Arizona’s second congressional district, .."

Out on bail, pending trial, and...

County Clerk Tina Peters Indicted in Colorado Voting ...​

https://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics

Mar 9, 2022 —

What Can Happen When An Election Official Believes The Big ...​

https://fivethirtyeight.com › features › what-happens-w...

Apr 15, 2022 — GRAND JUNCTION, COLORADO —..
Images of screens displaying the passwords had been shared a few days earlier on the chat app Telegram by a QAnon leader. The Colorado secretary of state launched an investigation and issued an order for Tina Peters, the county clerk, to let them inspect the equipment and try to get to the bottom of what happened.

But there was a problem. Peters wasn’t in Mesa County. She was on her way to South Dakota for a “Cyber Symposium” hosted by Mike Lindell, the CEO of MyPillow ... The man talking about them was that same QAnon leader — Ron Watkins —.. Watkins is so deeply entangled with QAnon that many experts believe he may have been Q himself.

These days, Peters is back in Mesa County. She has to be. She can’t leave the state after being recently indicted by a grand jury on 10 counts, including seven felony charges, for allegedly using a false identity and lying to state employees while allowing an unauthorized individual to make copies of the election equipment hard drive. ....She’s now running for secretary of state.."

Neither is Pennsylvania,



Mob "front man" is able to have loans in hundreds of millions despite the COO of his "company" being under indictment
for felonies related to that business activity yet still being allowed to operate it, and despite "the Front Man's" charity being shut down
for fraud, dissolved, "the Front Man's" closed 2016 campaign associates all being convicted by juries or entered guilty pleas and
"the Front Man" himself being under criminal investigation by the DOJ and in the states of GA and NY.

What kind of RNC and major lenders turn blind eyes to such extremist entanglements?

April 29, 20229:21 PM EDT
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/
Judge 'surprised' at Trump claim he has no documents sought in probe





 
LOL, you don't even bother to attempt to support your nonsense!

October 15, 2020
"..
Trump at times grew agitated with Guthrie during the 60-minute town hall event Thursday. When the “Today” show co-host asked why, during his debate appearance last month, Trump would not denounce white supremacy, he interrupted her.
..
“You’re the president, you’re not, like, someone’s crazy uncle who can just retweet whatever," she replied.."

Trump refuses to say the QAnon conspiracy theory is false - Vox

https://www.vox.com › 2020/10/15 › donald-trump-to...
Oct 15, 2020 — "Let me just tell you what I do hear about it is they are very strongly against pedophilia and I agree with that."

Colorado is not even a red state, neither is Pennsylvania....
During the forum, which was sponsored by the Arizona Clean Elections Commission, he again denied that he is the mysterious person who goes by the name “Q.”
Apr. 28, 2022
"It was a strange debate appearance Wednesday night from Ron Watkins. He’s the long-shot Republican candidate for Arizona’s second congressional district, .."

Out on bail, pending trial, and...

County Clerk Tina Peters Indicted in Colorado Voting ...

https://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics
Mar 9, 2022 —

What Can Happen When An Election Official Believes The Big ...

https://fivethirtyeight.com › features › what-happens-w...
Apr 15, 2022 — GRAND JUNCTION, COLORADO —..
Images of screens displaying the passwords had been shared a few days earlier on the chat app Telegram by a QAnon leader. The Colorado secretary of state launched an investigation and issued an order for Tina Peters, the county clerk, to let them inspect the equipment and try to get to the bottom of what happened.

But there was a problem. Peters wasn’t in Mesa County. She was on her way to South Dakota for a “Cyber Symposium” hosted by Mike Lindell, the CEO of MyPillow ... The man talking about them was that same QAnon leader — Ron Watkins —.. Watkins is so deeply entangled with QAnon that many experts believe he may have been Q himself.

These days, Peters is back in Mesa County. She has to be. She can’t leave the state after being recently indicted by a grand jury on 10 counts, including seven felony charges, for allegedly using a false identity and lying to state employees while allowing an unauthorized individual to make copies of the election equipment hard drive. ....She’s now running for secretary of state.."

Neither is Pennsylvania,



Mob "front man" is able to have loans in hundreds of millions despite the COO of his "company" being under indictment
for felonies related to that business activity yet still being allowed to operate it, and despite "the Front Man's" charity being shut down
for fraud, dissolved, "the Front Man's" closed 2016 campaign associates all being convicted by juries or entered guilty pleas and
"the Front Man" himself being under criminal investigation by the DOJ and in the states of GA and NY.

What kind of RNC and major lenders turn blind eyes to such extremist entanglements?

April 29, 20229:21 PM EDT
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/
Judge 'surprised' at Trump claim he has no documents sought in probe



He's making a wise move you don't give this idiotic nonsense the time of day.

If nobody's want to rage about queuing on or leprechaun sword witches or whatever make believe crap they want to freak out about then go for it.
 
He's drunk the kool-aid.

I just saw he tweeted a graphic to explain his point of view, made of stick men on a line.

There's a stick man on the left and on the right, and he drew himself a little left of center.

Then he showed the stick man on the left going way further to the left, and the center line moving to the left so now he's a bit on the right. His text said he strongly supported Obama, but now the Democrats are radicals.

Someone sensible tweeted some reality to him: Obama's party is led by Obama's VP, while Republicans are led by a guy who tried to have a coup, but it's the Democrats who are the radicals.

I had a thread on the problem of the Americans caught in a propaganda bubble of the right, and it looks clear Musk is one of them.
LOL... He's not deluded, he's spot on.

Since you obviously disagree, you must believe that either a) the left hasn't moved considerably farther left in the last 14 years, b) it's the right that has moved considerably farther right in the last 14 years, or c) both "a" and "b" are true.

If "b" or "c" represents your beliefs, could you list the issues that conservatives held in 2008 that have radically shifted farther right today? If you do so, I will gladly do the same in support of mine and Musk's position by listing the things that the left supports today that they didn't back in 2008.

.
 
He's drunk the kool-aid.

I just saw he tweeted a graphic to explain his point of view, made of stick men on a line.

There's a stick man on the left and on the right, and he drew himself a little left of center.

Then he showed the stick man on the left going way further to the left, and the center line moving to the left so now he's a bit on the right. His text said he strongly supported Obama, but now the Democrats are radicals.

Someone sensible tweeted some reality to him: Obama's party is led by Obama's VP, while Republicans are led by a guy who tried to have a coup, but it's the Democrats who are the radicals.

I had a thread on the problem of the Americans caught in a propaganda bubble of the right, and it looks clear Musk is one of them.


Republicans and Democrats existed long before Donald Trump and Barack Obama.
The Republicans have maintained the same ideological position all along.
Musk has maintained his same views all along.
The Democrats have shifted their ideological position ever more radically to the Left.

Your attempt to exclusively frame everything in terms of Jan 6 shows that you're deluded, along with your fellow Lefty radicals.

It's not Musk or the rest of us who are deluded - it's you who are.
 
I'm trying to remember when the left turned on him because he was a deity a few years ago.

Must have been covid stuff.
Try to keep up...



February 18, 2022

Black workers accused Tesla of racism for years. Now California is stepping in​

The company has been hit with several discrimination lawsuits but this from a government agency may have wider implications
....
 
Musk is right. There's no question the left has been moving further and further to the left for decades. Now they are at the point where many openly call themselves socialists and are complaining because someone dares to suggest speech should be free.
Democratic socialism has never been extremely radical. The British Labour Party was comprised mostly of social democrats and democratic socialists for decades, at least until Tony Blair.
 
Republicans and Democrats existed long before Donald Trump and Barack Obama.
The Republicans have maintained the same ideological position all along.
Musk has maintained his same views all along.
The Democrats have shifted their ideological position ever more radically to the Left.

Your attempt to exclusively frame everything in terms of Jan 6 shows that you're deluded, along with your fellow Lefty radicals.

It's not Musk or the rest of us who are deluded - it's you who are.
This just in... what's so extreme about fascism? Socialists should be comfortable with it, after all Hitler...blah, blah, blah.... LOL !



https://webcache.googleusercontent....ng-his-biggest-bets+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

"...
You won’t hear people use the Cathedral term a lot in public, although right-wing Twitter lit up with delight when Yarvin sketched the concept on Tucker Carlson’s Fox Nation show last September. People who’ve opened their eyes to this system of control have taken the red pill, a term Yarvin started using back in 2007, long before it got watered down to generally mean supporting Trump. To truly be red-pilled, you have to understand the workings of the Cathedral. And the way conservatives can actually win in America, he has argued, is for a Caesar-like figure to take power back from this devolved oligarchy and replace it with a monarchical regime run like a start-up. As early as 2012, he proposed the acronym RAGE—Retire All Government Employees—as a shorthand for a first step in the overthrow of the American “regime.” What we needed, Yarvin thought, was a “national CEO, [or] what’s called a dictator.” Yarvin now shies away from the word dictator and seems to be trying to promote a friendlier face of authoritarianism as the solution to our political warfare: “If you’re going to have a monarchy, it has to be a monarchy of everyone,” he said.

By the time TechCrunch publicized Yarvin’s identity, in 2013, he had become influential in a small circle of the disaffected elite. In 2014, The Baffler published a lengthy look at his influence, titled “Mouthbreathing Machiavellis Dream of a Silicon Reich.” The piece warned that Yarvin’s ideas were spreading among prominent figures like Thiel and Balaji Srinivasan, formerly the CTO of Coinbase, and that it was possible for an intellectual fringe to “seize key positions of authority and power” and “eventually bring large numbers of people around,” just as the Koch brothers once had with their pro-business libertarianism, a position that Thiel was quickly moving away from..."
 
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Try to keep up...



February 18, 2022

Black workers accused Tesla of racism for years. Now California is stepping in​

The company has been hit with several discrimination lawsuits but this from a government agency may have wider implications
....

Yeah this is all after whatever he did to get black balled.

It's like these people don't realize they are purity spiraling.

Don't you dare insult our deities. I would say thank you now Twitter is a free speech platform again your bigotry cost you a weapon in your culture war.
 
Musk is right. There's no question the left has been moving further and further to the left for decades. Now they are at the point where many openly call themselves socialists and are complaining because someone dares to suggest speech should be free.
The left have moved so far left theyre now to the right of the fascists.
 
The left have moved so far left theyre now to the right of the fascists.
They done doubled over.

Like the tunnel on pacman

Lol

They've created a ministry of Truth. The Democratic party legitimately has a KGB. This isn't irony or edge that's what they are doing.
 
Musk is right. There's no question the left has been moving further and further to the left for decades. Now they are at the point where many openly call themselves socialists and are complaining because someone dares to suggest speech should be free.
Seriously???? You really think this is the largest Socialist threat we have had in this country....Seriously!!!!!!!
 
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