I think we've found Elon Musk's political problem. He's deluded. To the point of insanity.

[Jezcoe]

Why just national Democrats? We have states cutting the police budget by as much as a third

I have seen no states doing so. Some cities are. As a taxpayer in NYC, seeing that the budget for the NYPD over $5 billion I think that there is room to make some fiscal savings there. Especially when we read things like this. The mayor criticizing cops for being on their phones and the Union saying that by being on their phones they are actually doing their job…. Yeah right

Why you sometimes see NYPD officers on their phones

NEW YORK (PIX11) — NYPD officers are on their phones for a reason, the union representing them said after Mayor Eric Adams criticized cops spotted standing around looking at IPhones. Smartpho…

pix11.com

Don’t get me started on the robot dog.

I do agree that “defund the police” is a terrible bumper sticker, but the idea that police budgets are sacrosanct and cannot be questioned is dumb.

letting violent criminals go without bail,

Even if violent criminals were allowed to be out with bail…. Then violent criminals who can afford bail are okay to be out? If that is the case then it is a matter of class and not the crime that is being charged.

allowing mobs of people to ransack stores and steal hundreds of thousands of dollars of merchandise, allowing people to destroy businesses, burn down buildings and throw Molotov cocktails at the police

Which politicians ran on that? Which ones made it their platform that that is okay?

What I see time and time again is things that are attributed to the left that right never get hit with.

What if I were to start arguing that the Rights stance on gun laws mean that they campaign on school children getting murdered? Or that their reluctance to legalize Pot means that they want people to die from Fentanyl?

You would think that I was arguing in bad faith and you would be right.

 

[Grim17]

Lol, just ONE tiny little governor, lol.

Yes, one governor who didn't do a damned thing that violated any conservative principals. Disney not only opposes a law that the people of the state support, they have and are taking action through their children's programs to do exactly what the law was enacted in order to prevent. They are spitting in the face of the state of Florida, so the state of Florida decided there was no reason to continue giving them special treatment. Disney is now going to have to pay their fair share of taxes just like every other company in Florida has to.

Only a leftist would think treating a company the same as every other company is treated, equates to the government punishing them.

Ok. There was a time when republican presidents DIDN'T support the military industrial complex, now they do, unabashedly.

They haven't changed in any measurable way since 2008.

There was a time when Republicans accepted and understood the need for progressive tax rates, now they don't.

On tax policy, what they support today is no different than it was back in 2008. Please show me the difference between then and now?

There was a time when Republicans placed their country before their religion, now they don't. See, cancel culture, banned books at school, and...gasp...Trumps Bible, lol.

What? If anything, republicans put less emphasis on religion than they did in 2008, and give less of a voice to the religious right than they have in the past. Do you remember the Christian Coalition? The left on the other hand has become more hostile towards people who embrace Christian religions, and use it as a method to disqualify them from both speaking and holding public office.

Opposing "cancel culture" is opposing political violence, opposing the suppression of free speech, opposing identity politics, and opposing the far left thugs that try to ruin people's lives because they disagree with them politically. How are these beliefs any different than the beliefs the right embraced back in 2008? The fact is, they are not. What's changes is how radical the left has become, because back in 2008 cancel culture was relegated to a few far left wing radicals and now it absolutely dominates the left and the democratic party.

Banning books at schools does not violate freedom of speech in any way, shape or form, nor is it anything new when it comes to governing how are children are taught in public schools. It's taking control away from the public school boards and teachers who have overstepped their authority, which is exactly what conservatives have done many times in the past. Just because the democrats are moving farther left and supporting more and more explicit, sexually oriented material to be taught to young children at school, doesn't change the opposition that conservatives have always had when it comes to sexually oriented material being taught to first graders.

There was a time when Republicans valued 1a more than the 2a, now they don't. 1st ammendment is only tossed around when politically convenient.

Did we value and defend both of those amendments back in 2008, and do we value both of them today? ABSOLUTELY

You are confusing "value" with "defense". We have always valued both of them, but our level of defense for one or the other has varied based on the level of attack they are under from democrats and their progressive supporters.

There was a time when Republicans believed in free and fair elections, now they want to play the same dirty games as the dems.

That's just utter horse shit. Republicans, conservatives and moderates are the only people who are concerned about the integrity of our electoral system, while democrats and progressives fight tooth and nail to prevent any and all forms of election security, and support anything that will make it easier for illegal votes to be cast. You all oppose voter IDs, oppose cleaning out voter rolls, support ballot harvesting, support public drop boxes for ballots, support all mail in voting, support ballots being mailed to everyone on the voter rolls without confirmation of their status, oppose stringent oversite of the vote counting process, and many of you now support allowing illegal aliens to vote. You all certainly didn't support illegals voting back in 2008.

 

[KevinKohler]

Yes, one governor who didn't do a damned thing that violated any conservative principals. Disney not only opposes a law that the people of the state support, they have and are taking action through their children's programs to do exactly what the law was enacted in order to prevent. They are spitting in the face of the state of Florida, so the state of Florida decided there was no reason to continue giving them special treatment. Disney is now going to have to pay their fair share of taxes just like every other company in Florida has to.

Only a leftist would think treating a company the same as every other company is treated, equates to the government punishing them.



They haven't changed in any measurable way since 2008.



On tax policy, what they support today is no different than it was back in 2008. Please show me the difference between then and now?



What? If anything, republicans put less emphasis on religion than they did in 2008, and give less of a voice to the religious right than they have in the past. Do you remember the Christian Coalition? The left on the other hand has become more hostile towards people who embrace Christian religions, and use it as a method to disqualify them from both speaking and holding public office.

Opposing "cancel culture" is opposing political violence, opposing the suppression of free speech, opposing identity politics, and opposing the far left thugs that try to ruin people's lives because they disagree with them politically. How are these beliefs any different than the beliefs the right embraced back in 2008? The fact is, they are not. What's changes is how radical the left has become, because back in 2008 cancel culture was relegated to a few far left wing radicals and now it absolutely dominates the left and the democratic party.

Banning books at schools does not violate freedom of speech in any way, shape or form, nor is it anything new when it comes to governing how are children are taught in public schools. It's taking control away from the public school boards and teachers who have overstepped their authority, which is exactly what conservatives have done many times in the past. Just because the democrats are moving farther left and supporting more and more explicit, sexually oriented material to be taught to young children at school, doesn't change the opposition that conservatives have always had when it comes to sexually oriented material being taught to first graders.





Did we value and defend both of those amendments back in 2008, and do we value both of them today? ABSOLUTELY

You are confusing "value" with "defense". We have always valued both of them, but our level of defense for one or the other has varied based on the level of attack they are under from democrats and their progressive supporters.



That's just utter horse shit. Republicans, conservatives and moderates are the only people who are concerned about the integrity of our electoral system, while democrats and progressives fight tooth and nail to prevent any and all forms of election security, and support anything that will make it easier for illegal votes to be cast. You all oppose voter IDs, oppose cleaning out voter rolls, support ballot harvesting, support public drop boxes for ballots, support all mail in voting, support ballots being mailed to everyone on the voter rolls without confirmation of their status, oppose stringent oversite of the vote counting process, and many of you now support allowing illegal aliens to vote. You all certainly didn't support illegals voting back in 2008.

Why are you fixated on 08?

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

He's drunk the kool-aid.

I just saw he tweeted a graphic to explain his point of view, made of stick men on a line.

There's a stick man on the left and on the right, and he drew himself a little left of center.

Then he showed the stick man on the left going way further to the left, and the center line moving to the left so now he's a bit on the right. His text said he strongly supported Obama, but now the Democrats are radicals.

Someone sensible tweeted some reality to him: Obama's party is led by Obama's VP, while Republicans are led by a guy who tried to have a coup, but it's the Democrats who are the radicals.

I had a thread on the problem of the Americans caught in a propaganda bubble of the right, and it looks clear Musk is one of them.

He broke liberal lockstep and the darling of the left with his e cars is now in for political assassination.

 

[CLAX1911]

Which Democrats are promoting “woke”?

I didn't say stop promoting I said abandon.

I can think of like maybe four.

On a national political level there is no “woke” contingent. This shows how well the Right Wing Propaganda works

You are attacking straw man fallacies.

 

[Craig234]

Which Democrats are promoting “woke”?

I can think of like maybe four.

On a national political level there is no “woke” contingent. This shows how well the Right Wing Propaganda works

It's a propaganda tool for demonizing what Republicans can't attack directly. The spirit behind Democratic policies is to have universal respect between people, systemic neutrality and equality; Republicans feel it looks bad to attack those things directly, so they make up a bogeyman, the word "woke", and attack that to attack those things indirectly. It's the same technique used with "CRT".

Democrats spent decades winning hearts and minds for principles, so Republicans try to undo that by replacing them with newly hyped terms and attacking those. It's effective propaganda. To be fair, essentially all the Democrats follow "woke" policies; but not using that term much. It's like Democrats have to re-fight the civil rights war with the same issues for the new term. It's Republicans trying to get another chance to fight it.

 

[Grim17]

Why are you fixated on 08?

Because that's the origin of the debate I was having that was based on this:

 

[KevinKohler]

Because that's the origin of the debate I was having that was based on this:

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Oh.

Well, no, imo, not a ton of shifting on either side since 2008.

I think what's changed is the level of amplification a select few on both sides have been able to achieve which gives the perception of entire parties shifting, when in fact, it's just a few crazies on the fringe who now have a louder voice and wider audience.

 

[smallvoice]

You are racing away from sanity to the right, and think that it's the left moving to the left. That's delusional.

List me ten Democratic officials - that shouldn't be hard for "many" - who call themselves socialist. Hint: Bernie has explained he is not a socialist.

There have always been limits from responsible people on free speech. List your *specific* cases you object to. Then put a sticker on your forehead saying "hypocrite" for supporting the party burning books and outlawing acknowledging the existence of gay or transgender people as much as they can.

Of course you think Musk is right, since you have drunk the same kool-aid, are in the same propaganda bubble.

Well, Bernie's a liar, so your entire premise goes down in flames.

 

[PoS]

I never said that you call people commies.
It's evident in all of your opinions.
When you tell everyone what you think of everyone in the Democratic Party, everyone who has even the slightest liberal views on anything, even if they're independents, we read what you write.
The constant rage flame from your end makes it obvious that you view everyone outside that little circle as "leftists".
Joe Biden is a LEFTIST, Sherrod Brown, LEFTIST, Jamie Raskin, LEFTIST...I bet you even think of Chuck Schumer as a LEFTIST. (I view him as a cardboard incompetent Dem suit with tenure, but that's just me)
Was Lyndon Johnson a LEFTIST? Probably, because it sounds like you'd even brand Eisenhower as a LEFTIST.

You're so filled with white hot rage that you just called Critical Race Theory a science, when in reality it's a set of LEGAL and social theories that seek to examine the intersection of race, society, and law in the United States and to challenge mainstream American liberal approaches to racial justice. It is related to Critical Legal Studies, which examines how legal rules protect the status quo.

In other words, it's a branch of critical thinking, which frightens you too, because you seem to think you're some vanguard OF the status quo.
Let me let you in on a little secret, friend: The status quo will be challenged from all points on the political spectrum until the day you die, and the day I die, because the status quo is the existing state of affairs.
And anybody who values democracy and liberty is compelled to question the status quo at all times.

If someone has issues with specific applications of critical thinking, then challenge them by formulating a superior argument that exposes the flaws of the original arguments.

That means you'll have to do a lot better than running around screaming

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LOL the only one filled with rage is you, since you make one falsehood after another. The fact that you end your statements with incoherent word salad is very telling.

You dont know what I think, no matter how many times you pretend to.

You engage in the usual tactics of white supremacists. It's obvious you hang out in Stormfront a lot. It's better if you stick with your fellows in that site instead of hanging out with the adults here.

 

[Grim17]

Oh.

Well, no, imo, not a ton of shifting on either side since 2008.

I think what's changed is the level of amplification a select few on both sides have been able to achieve which gives the perception of entire parties shifting, when in fact, it's just a few crazies on the fringe who now have a louder voice and wider audience.

I still disagree that the right has moved farther right in any measurable degree in the last 20 years, and that anyone could say with a straight face that it's comparable in any way to how far the left has moved to the extreme.

When it comes to the left, you don't have to take my word for it... There are plenty of liberals out there who have acknowledged how far the political left has shifted over the last decade, including Bill Maher who not too long ago was hailed as a hero by everyone on the political left. Just watch his recent appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast (another liberal that feels politically homeless) and I challenge you point out one thing he stood for 5 or 10 years ago that he no longer stands for today.



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[Craig234]

Remember when we saw in Mark Meadows texts that he was saying that God was on their side and no one freaked the **** out that they think that God wants them to overturn an election?

Here’s What The Fellowship From Netflix’s ‘The Family’ is Doing in 2019

The secretive evangelical Christian organization is still active today.

decider.com

 

[HangLow]

This just in... what's so extreme about fascism? Socialists should be comfortable with it, after all Hitler...blah, blah, blah.... LOL !



https://webcache.googleusercontent....ng-his-biggest-bets+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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You won’t hear people use the Cathedral term a lot in public, although right-wing Twitter lit up with delight when Yarvin sketched the concept on Tucker Carlson’s Fox Nation show last September. People who’ve opened their eyes to this system of control have taken the red pill, a term Yarvin started using back in 2007, long before it got watered down to generally mean supporting Trump. To truly be red-pilled, you have to understand the workings of the Cathedral. And the way conservatives can actually win in America, he has argued, is for a Caesar-like figure to take power back from this devolved oligarchy and replace it with a monarchical regime run like a start-up. As early as 2012, he proposed the acronym RAGE—Retire All Government Employees—as a shorthand for a first step in the overthrow of the American “regime.” What we needed, Yarvin thought, was a “national CEO, [or] what’s called a dictator.” Yarvin now shies away from the word dictator and seems to be trying to promote a friendlier face of authoritarianism as the solution to our political warfare: “If you’re going to have a monarchy, it has to be a monarchy of everyone,” he said.

By the time TechCrunch publicized Yarvin’s identity, in 2013, he had become influential in a small circle of the disaffected elite. In 2014, The Baffler published a lengthy look at his influence, titled “Mouthbreathing Machiavellis Dream of a Silicon Reich.” The piece warned that Yarvin’s ideas were spreading among prominent figures like Thiel and Balaji Srinivasan, formerly the CTO of Coinbase, and that it was possible for an intellectual fringe to “seize key positions of authority and power” and “eventually bring large numbers of people around,” just as the Koch brothers once had with their pro-business libertarianism, a position that Thiel was quickly moving away from..."

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