I think we are making progress on COVID-19

Bucky · Jul 11, 2020

The data, first reported by The New York Times Thursday, shows that more than 68% of people tested positive for antibodies at a clinic in Corona, Queens, while only 56% tested positive at another clinic in Jackson Heights, Queens. CityMD, which operates dozens of walk-in clinics in New York, confirmed the data to the Times and CNN.

While these two working-class neighborhoods saw high numbers for their antibody tests, only 13% of people tested positive for antibodies at a clinic in Cobble Hill, a mostly white and wealthy neighborhood in Brooklyn. The data suggest that while minority and working-class communities were hit hard by the virus, they may be first to build immunity.

68% percent of people at a New York Clinic tested positive for coronavirus antibodies, - CNN

IMO, this may be common sense, but when you get the regular flu, it is rare that you get the flu again right away. I think the same applies to COVID-19.

Maryland man who was one of the first people to be vaccinated with an experimental COVID-19 vaccine through Pfizer/Biontech says the vaccine may be working.

FOX 5 first interviewed David Rach, a graduate immunology student, back in May.

A University of Maryland's School of Medicine spokesperson is now telling FOX 5 that Phase 1 and 2 early results from the first roughly 40 individuals in this multi-site study show some signs of promise and some signs of an immune response. This means that the patients have generated antibodies that stop the virus from being able to affect cells.

Maryland man treated with experimental COVID-19 vaccine says it may be working

Definite progress being made here! Positive news!

A century-old tuberculosis vaccine could be playing a role in reducing the death rate from Covid-19 in countries where it is widely used, according to a preliminary US study.
Researchers from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases of the National Institutes of Health made the link to Bacille Calmette-Guerin, or BCG, after comparing data on Covid-19 mortality rates across the globe.

They found that some Latin American regions – including Pernambuco, Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo in Brazil and Mexico City in Mexico – had considerably lower death rates than states in the US such as New York, Illinois, Louisiana and Florida.

Tuberculosis vaccine may play role in reducing Covid-19 death rate, study says | South China Morning Post

year2late · Jul 11, 2020

Bucky said:
68% percent of people at a New York Clinic tested positive for coronavirus antibodies, - CNN

IMO, this may be common sense, but when you get the regular flu, it is rare that you get the flu again right away. I think the same applies to COVID-19.

Maryland man treated with experimental COVID-19 vaccine says it may be working

Definite progress being made here! Positive news!

Tuberculosis vaccine may play role in reducing Covid-19 death rate, study says | South China Morning Post

It will be interesting to fond out about the TB vaccine.

We actually have large numbers of immigrants who have been immunized in their home countries. So we may have large numbers of our own to make some of our own determinations.

Helix · Jul 11, 2020

I think we are making progress on COVID-19

i hope so. the scientific community is taking it very seriously. what are you doing to help? i'd recommend masking up, washing your hands, and not gathering in crowds.

Thoreau72 · Jul 11, 2020

The news from Queens shows the obvious and inevitable, that slowly the herd immunity grows.

The media does not like to talk about it, but that's because they have an agenda of fear to advance.

Integrityrespec · Jul 11, 2020

Bucky said:
68% percent of people at a New York Clinic tested positive for coronavirus antibodies, - CNN

IMO, this may be common sense, but when you get the regular flu, it is rare that you get the flu again right away. I think the same applies to COVID-19.

Maryland man treated with experimental COVID-19 vaccine says it may be working

Definite progress being made here! Positive news!

Tuberculosis vaccine may play role in reducing Covid-19 death rate, study says | South China Morning Post

Immunity. You get it, or get exposed to it you begin to develop immunity. Locking down is not a solution, it is a delay. Somehow I think if Biden wins in November the democrats will suddenly decide things can go back to normal.

rjay · Jul 11, 2020

Integrityrespec said:
Immunity. You get it, or get exposed to it you begin to develop immunity. Locking down is not a solution, it is a delay. Somehow I think if Biden wins in November the democrats will suddenly decide things can go back to normal.

Wow, Have you published your findings? How long does this immunity last? 2 days, 2 weeks, 2 years?

Integrityrespec · Jul 11, 2020

Bucky said:
68% percent of people at a New York Clinic tested positive for coronavirus antibodies, - CNN

IMO, this may be common sense, but when you get the regular flu, it is rare that you get the flu again right away. I think the same applies to COVID-19.

Maryland man treated with experimental COVID-19 vaccine says it may be working

Definite progress being made here! Positive news!

Tuberculosis vaccine may play role in reducing Covid-19 death rate, study says | South China Morning Post

It may be working, not much to go on. The whole virus thing may be a hoax for political reasons. On sure there is a virus but the death rate is way down and contiuing to fall. So what do the democrats do, talk up the "cases". We folk being exposed, that's how you get immune. Paying hospitals and other medical care providers $$$$$ to treat Covid 19 is incentivizing the disease. It pays to say Covid 19.

Integrityrespec · Jul 11, 2020

rjay said:
Wow, Have you published your findings? How long does this immunity last? 2 days, 2 weeks, 2 years?

I'm sure that depends on each individual and their overall health and immune system. So make light of it, but everyone knows we have developed immunities to things.
The Human Immune System and Infectious Disease | History of Vaccines

HennyBogan · Jul 11, 2020

Thoreau72 said:
The news from Queens shows the obvious and inevitable, that slowly the herd immunity grows.

The media does not like to talk about it, but that's because they have an agenda of fear to advance.

I'd bet maybe 80M Americans have run into the virus already.

minnie616 · Jul 11, 2020

Thoreau72 said:
The news from Queens shows the obvious and inevitable, that slowly the herd immunity grows.

The media does not like to talk about it, but that's because they have an agenda of fear to advance.

But there is evidence that as time goes on the antibodies start to lessen.

Tom Hanks said his doctor warned him when he tested again that his antibody count a lot less than after he recovered from Covid 19.

The Doctor told him to be very careful because the count was so low he could likely get Covid 19 again.

Bucky · Jul 11, 2020

minnie616 said:
But there is evidence that as time goes on the antibodies start to lessen.

Tom Hanks said his doctor warned him when he tested again that his antibody count a lot less than after he recovered from Covid 19.

The Doctor told him to be very careful because the count was so low he could likely get Covid 19 again.

There is no proof of this. Have you ever gotten the flu right after you recovered from it? Typically you are stronger after fighting a virus.

Thoreau72 · Jul 11, 2020

minnie616 said:
But there is evidence that as time goes on the antibodies start to lessen.

Tom Hanks said his doctor warned him when he tested again that his antibody count a lot less than after he recovered from Covid 19.

The Doctor told him to be very careful because the count was so low he could likely get Covid 19 again.

His Doctor could not have known that, because the epidemic was just beginning. No knowledge at that time--they were killing them on vents until they figured it out, so his Doctor was speculating.

What his doctor told him was fear mongering to his patient.

fireflygmf · Jul 11, 2020

HennyBogan said:
I'd bet maybe 80M Americans have run into the virus already.

I'm not sure I'd put it that high, but I definitely agree that vastly more Americans have been exposed that officially has been officially reported. It must also be said that as the pandemic progresses, testing is becoming more available and more 'targeted', for lack of a better word. What I believe is happening is that more cases are found and reported as 'officially confirmed' and account for a higher denominator when calculating the mortality rate. I'd say the mortality is roughly 0.5% give or take, as the CDC has estimated some time ago.

To minnie's comment, some evidence suggests that these specific antibodies do diminish over time, but the immune system is able to 'remember' previous exposures and mount an aggressive response quickly (greater than that of the first exposure), even after the antibodies are no longer detectable. I expect that a 6 month/1 year booster once we have a vaccine (or something along those lines) will be required for COVID-19 until it's been eradicated. I do know that the antibodies diminish the fastest in those that had the least symptoms with COVID-19, so presumably these people aren't seriously at risk from this virus to begin with.

minnie616 · Jul 11, 2020

Thoreau72 said:
His Doctor could not have known that, because the epidemic was just beginning. No knowledge at that time--they were killing them on vents until they figured it out, so his Doctor was speculating.

What his doctor told him was fear mongering to his patient.

From the Tom Hanks interview:

Could Tom Hanks get coronavirus again? Actor shares results of recent antibody test

We've been paying attention to the results of some blood studies and plasma studies," Hanks, who donated his plasma to help coronavirus patients, told Holt. "We have found out that we have fewer antibodies now than we did at the get-go ... What we've been told is that as the antibodies begin to fade, it's possible that we will once again be susceptible to catching some form of the coronavirus again."

Read more :

Tom Hanks coronavirus: Could the actor get COVID-19 again?

Slavister · Jul 11, 2020

Thoreau72 said:
The news from Queens shows the obvious and inevitable, that slowly the herd immunity grows.

The media does not like to talk about it, but that's because they have an agenda of fear to advance.

First, it's not clear if they have it. It's only based on people who went to urgent clinics and got tested.

Second, even if it were true, I don't think rest of country wants to go through what New York and Italy went through.

George50 · Jul 11, 2020

Thoreau72 said:
The news from Queens shows the obvious and inevitable, that slowly the herd immunity grows.

The media does not like to talk about it, but that's because they have an agenda of fear to advance.

I doubt that the whole country wants to go through what Queens did.

Even so if you read the original NYT article this was pulled from you would see that the article did not actually indicate that 68% of the people in the subsection of Queens called Corona had antibodies. That’s because they believe most people requested antibody tests because they had some reason to think they already had the virus.

“For sure, the persons who are seeking antibody testing probably have a higher likelihood of being positive than the general population,” said Professor Nash. “If you went out in Corona and tested a representative sample, it wouldn’t be 68 percent.”

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George50 · Jul 11, 2020

Slavister said:
First, it's not clear if they have it. It's only based on people who went to urgent clinics and got tested.

Second, even if it were true, I don't think rest of country wants to go through what New York and Italy went through.

Sadly as bad as Italy seemed at the time, we are on track to surpass Italy. We are at 415 deaths per million, Italy is at 578. The problem is that while Italy has tamed the virus and we have not. Today, Italy had 7 new deaths, we had 732, a hundred times more so our deaths per million is growing much faster than theirs. If we don’t do something different we will pass them by soon.

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j brown's body · Jul 11, 2020

Thoreau72 said:
The news from Queens shows the obvious and inevitable, that slowly the herd immunity grows.

The media does not like to talk about it, but that's because they have an agenda of fear to advance.

And what community would mind going through what Queens has?

Thoreau72 · Jul 12, 2020

Slavister said:
First, it's not clear if they have it. It's only based on people who went to urgent clinics and got tested.

Second, even if it were true, I don't think rest of country wants to go through what New York and Italy went through.

Assuming the story is true and accurate, all it means is that 68% of those in the sample carried antibodies, meaning that those individuals HAD the infection at some point in their life.

Thoreau72 · Jul 12, 2020

George50 said:
I doubt that the whole country wants to go through what Queens did.

Even so if you read the original NYT article this was pulled from you would see that the article did not actually indicate that 68% of the people in the subsection of Queens called Corona had antibodies. That’s because they believe most people requested antibody tests because they had some reason to think they already had the virus.

“For sure, the persons who are seeking antibody testing probably have a higher likelihood of being positive than the general population,” said Professor Nash. “If you went out in Corona and tested a representative sample, it wouldn’t be 68 percent.”

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I don't think "the whole country" has a choice.

It's here now, it's been here since last year, and it will be here for some time to come.

It is a planned event complete with training exercise credentials, and a Public Law to accommodate it, began a year before it officially started. The public law enables plundering the treasury. As usual, some become richer and some become poorer.

Thoreau72 · Jul 12, 2020

j brown's body said:
And what community would mind going through what Queens has?

Does it really matter? Is there a choice?

Casper · Jul 12, 2020

Thoreau72 said:
Does it really matter? Is there a choice?

Yes there is a choice, wear a Mask, wash your hands, and SD. Why is that so difficult for some?????

holbritter · Jul 12, 2020

Integrityrespec said:
Immunity. You get it, or get exposed to it you begin to develop immunity. Locking down is not a solution, it is a delay. Somehow I think if Biden wins in November the democrats will suddenly decide things can go back to normal.

Yet NY was effectively 'locked down' and is slowly reopening with no 'delayed' spike in infections so far. I'd say it is working.

noonereal · Jul 12, 2020

Integrityrespec said:
Immunity. You get it, or get exposed to it you begin to develop immunity. Locking down is not a solution, it is a delay. Somehow I think if Biden wins in November the democrats will suddenly decide things can go back to normal.

hook line and sinker

George50 · Jul 12, 2020

Thoreau72 said:
Does it really matter? Is there a choice?

Of course there’s a choice! We can do what most other developed and even some third world countries have done now. Control the virus instead of letting it run amok!

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