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I Think I'm Done With The Hill Rising

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Sometimes it's really hard to find political commentators who provide a good balance of criticism of both Democrats and Republicans. Kyle Kulinski is... okay, but too much of an irrational purist at times. Jimmy Dore is even more of a purist, but also very cringey and obsessed with AOC's 'betrayal' because she doesn't like his strategy for M4A. And then there's Krystal Ball (and Saagar) on The Hill Rising. For a while now I've been getting increasingly annoyed with their 'both-sides-isms', the smugness, and their obsession with the media. But last month's On My Radar segment combined with the events of yesterday was the final straw.

This aged sooo well:

 
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She's a full-blown commie, that's why she doesn't like either side, and what exactly did she get wrong in the video?
 
She's a full-blown commie,

Everyone is a commie to you, so that word has absolutely no meaning in your posts.


that's why she doesn't like either side, and what exactly did she get wrong in the video?

She smugly questioned, "Where's the coup I was promised?" Well, she got the attempted coup, yesterday. And this morning she exclaims, "This is not a game!" Too little too late for her.
 
Being 'far-left' doesn't automatically make one a communism

I think it does. If you hold the same far left political views that a communist would hold, then it's not unreasonable to call you a communist.



She has said plenty of other stuff where she sounds just like Lenin.

just as being far-right doesn't automatically make one a fascist.

Of course not - because fascism is left wing. Mussolini's political views line up perfectly with Bernie's, but are the complete opposite of Milton Friedman, who is on the far right.

If you misuse words they lose their impact.

You mean like screaming "racist!" constantly?
 
I think it does. If you hold the same far left political views that a communist would hold, then it's not unreasonable to call you a communist.



She has said plenty of other stuff where she sounds just like Lenin.


Talking about needing 'temporary communism' during a pandemic does not make one a communist.



Of course not - because fascism is left wing.

Lol, no it isn't.


Mussolini's political views line up perfectly with Bernie's,

No they weren't.


but are the complete opposite of Milton Friedman, who is on the far right.

And yet, Milton Friedman helped the far-right fascist Pinochet with his economic policies.



You mean like screaming "racist!" constantly?

Hey, look! A whataboutism! You are the one misusing terms here. Don't deflect by making it about other people.
 
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No they weren't.

1. Consider public spending. Bernie, who is on the left, luvs public spending, as did Benito:

A former school teacher, Mussolini’s spending on the public sector, schools and infrastructure was considered extravagant. Mussolini "instituted a programme of public works hitherto unrivaled in modern Europe. Bridges, canals and roads were built, hospitals and schools, railway stations and orphanages; swamps were drained and land reclaimed, forests were planted and universities were endowed".[21]

That doesn't sound very right wing.

2. Next, the welfare state. Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, and all of us on the far right want the welfare state eliminated completely, while Bernie, who is on the left, wants it drastically expanded. Here's what Mussolini did:

By 1925, the Fascist government had "embarked upon an elaborate program" that included food supplementary assistance, infant care, maternity assistance, general healthcare, wage supplements, paid vacations, unemployment benefits, illness insurance, occupational disease insurance, general family assistance, public housing and old age and disability insurance.[24]

I think Bernie and all leftists would approve.

3. Bernie supports a federal jobs guarantee, which is an idea so stupid that only a leftist could support it. Mussolini loved the idea of increasing the number of people working for the state:

Larger programs began in the 1930s with the Bonifica Integrale land reclamation program (or so-called "Battle for Land"), which was employing over 78,000 people by 1933;

4. Next up is nationalization, i.e. socialism. Although Bernie doesn't talk about it too much today, earlier in his career he called for outright nationalization of many industries, and recently he called for nationalization of utility companies and national rent control. This of course, makes those of us on the political right vomit, but what did Mussolini think of nationalization?

By 1939, Fascist Italy attained the highest rate of state ownership of an economy in the world other than the Soviet Union,[42]


Gee, that doesn't sound very right wing.

The idea that fascism is "right wing" is simply ludicrous. I'm far right, and my political views are the complete opposite of those held by Mussolini, Bernie, and Lenin.

Mussolini was a socialist for his entire life, ffs.
 
Sometimes it's really hard to find political commentators who provide a good balance of criticism of both Democrats and Republicans. Kyle Kulinski is... okay, but too much of an irrational purist at times. Jimmy Dore is even more of a purist, but also very cringey and obsessed with AOC's 'betrayal' because she doesn't like his strategy for M4A. And then there's Krystal Ball (and Saagar) on The Hill Rising. For a while now I've been getting increasingly annoyed with their 'both-sides-isms', the smugness, and their obsession with the media. But last month's On My Radar segment combined with the events of yesterday was the final straw.

This aged sooo well:



I straight up hate the concept of a left wing person and right wing person doing a show together where they pretend they are in harmony with each other. I think both of those people are smart. But, I would just do some opinion shows separate of each other.

out of the new media The Majority Report was the best one. Until Michael Brooks died. I love Emma Vigeland but, Michael had the gift of gab, the gift of intelligence, and the gift of vision. I still like MR. I like Sam Seder. I hope they don’t go the way of TYT and bring in a ton of poorly vetted contributors.

I watch these shows for their uncommon insight into current events and history. And all too often it seems like they can fall into some lowest common denominator points.

im not sure how Iadarola is doing on the Damage Report either but, I find him to be insightful and non-hackish on TYT
 
Of course not - because fascism is left wing. Mussolini's political views line up perfectly with Bernie's, but are the complete opposite of Milton Friedman, who is on the far right.

Fascism is always right wing. It cannot be left wing. Communism is the opposite extreme from fascism. Neither are desirable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
 
Do you listen to"Democracy NowI" or Pacifica Radio? They're serious and in-depth, often.

It seems you're looking on YouTube for something you're not likely to find.
 
If you want a quick-hit news channel where the articles aren't long enough to be biased, try Newsy.
 
Do you listen to"Democracy NowI" or Pacifica Radio? They're serious and in-depth, often.

It seems you're looking on YouTube for something you're not likely to find.

I do like Democracy Now. Been listening to them for at least 8 years.
 
Communism is the opposite extreme from fascism.

That's a myth spread by left-wing history professors, but that myth is slowly dying. It will die because nobody, including you, disputes the evidence, and there is a ton of evidence. If you don't disagree with the evidence, then anyone with half a brain can see that fascists were left wing (although I agree that would exclude 90% of today's progressives).

I didn't even talk about the Nazi government, but check my sig for a tiny, tiny taste.
 
Fascism is always right wing. It cannot be left wing. Communism is the opposite extreme from fascism. Neither are desirable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
No, fascism is not right wing. You quoting a Wikipedia definition is not an argument.

fascism is a philosophy steeped in modernity. Every constituent element came out of enlightenment thinking.
 

This is just you again demonstrating you have no idea of the political history of the world or any nation.

The idea that fascism is "right wing" is simply ludicrous.

It's based in facts, something you should consider using sometime.

I'm far right,

No you're not, you're a run of the mill right-wing with some libertarian leanings.

You base this entire premise on the idea that the right wing has always been about small government laissez-faire policy, something that has never been the case throughout most of human history. The fact that the modern day American right-wing pays lipservice to that idea does not change it.
 
That's a myth spread by left-wing history professors, but that myth is slowly dying. It will die because nobody, including you, disputes the evidence, and there is a ton of evidence. If you don't disagree with the evidence, then anyone with half a brain can see that fascists were left wing (although I agree that would exclude 90% of today's progressives).

I didn't even talk about the Nazi government, but check my sig for a tiny, tiny taste.

No they weren't. They were right wing by definition. You are completely redefining fascism to suit your argument. Fascism is when all of the resources are seized by one individual, and this individual determines how to use them. Communism is when all of the resources are seized by the majority of the population and forcibly distributed amongst everyone (ideally equally.)

Communists forcing you to share your wealth and obey communist laws is not fascist. It is communist.
 
No they weren't. They were right wing by definition.

They were right wing because they're right wing? You're gonna need a little bit more than that. How about we look at what they actually did?

You are completely redefining fascism to suit your argument.

No, that's what the political left did, as an attempt to distance themselves from yet another leftist mass murderer.

Fascism is when all of the resources are seized by one individual, and this individual determines how to use them. Communism is when all of the resources are seized by the majority of the population and forcibly distributed amongst everyone (ideally equally.)

Name one communist country that did that.
 
They were right wing because they're right wing? You're gonna need a little bit more than that. How about we look at what they actually did?



No, that's what the political left did, as an attempt to distance themselves from yet another leftist mass murderer.



Name one communist country that did that.
No country has reached full communism yet
 
I soured on them quite a while ago.

Also, Saagar plays the same game as Tucker Carlson, and is much the same mold. I have no interest in Krystal's normalization of fascism, aka right-wing populism.
 
No, fascism is not right wing. You quoting a Wikipedia definition is not an argument.

fascism is a philosophy steeped in modernity. Every constituent element came out of enlightenment thinking.

Words have agreed upon meanings, whether you agree with them or not. I don't care if you don't want fascism to be associated with "right wing authoritarianism." That is what it is.
 
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