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Binary_Digit said:Our President cherry-picked intelligence on pre-war Iraq, exaggerated the link between al'Qaeda and Iraq, and overstated Saddam Hussein's ambitions to directly or indirectly initiate an attack against the United States.
If you're not going to read the link I gave, and refute those points, then kindly take your flame bait somewhere else.KCConservative said:Wild, partisan and unsubstantiated claims of hate. Nice job. :2wave:
You mean the link to another thread on this very forum? lol Yeah, I've read it. I support your right to state your opinion. Why are you upset that I state my opinion as well?Binary_Digit said:If you're not going to read the link I gave, and refute those points, then kindly take your flame bait somewhere else.
Why should I be upset if it's your opinion that 2 + 2 is 5? Because your opinion is plainly wrong. What I said is not wild, it's not partisan, and it's certainly not unsubstantiated. If you read the other post, then I can't believe you would call it "unsubstantiated" and pretend that wins your case. Why didn't you refute anything specific? I think because you can't.KCConservative said:You mean the link to another thread on this very forum? lol Yeah, I've read it. I support your right to state your opinion. Why are you upset that I state my opinion as well?
Binary_Digit said:Why should I be upset if it's your opinion that 2 + 2 is 5? Because your opinion is plainly wrong.
Ok, I think we should get back to some basics for a minute. Opinions and logical conclusions are not the same thing.KCConservative said::thinking It's opinion. It's neither right or wrong.
CONGRESS DID NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE SAME INTELLIGENCE TEAM BUSH HAD
Example 3:
Team Bush received information directly from alternative intelligence sources, specifically the since-discredited Office of Special Plans and Iraqi National Congress. The CIA and the State Department were highly skeptical of the intelligence provided by these agencies, yet the information was used by Team Bush to sell the war anyway.
Much of it, yes. The OSP was created to find links between Hussein and terrorism, specifically al'Qaeda.oldreliable67 said:So are you saying that the intelligence that the Bush admin had access to and believed was the Office of Special Plans, a lot of which was based on the since-discredited sources at the INC?
No, the OSP's intel was shared with Congress. That was the point, to make a case for war against Iraq. What wasn't shared were the caveats in the OSP's conclusions. How the CIA questioned links to al'Qaeda that the OSP supposedly found. Lt. Colonel Kwiatkowski was there there, and she said: "I witnessed neoconservative agenda bearers within OSP usurp measured and carefully considered assessments, and through suppression and distortion of intelligence analysis promulgate what were in fact falsehoods to both Congress and the executive office of the president."oldreliable67 said:And that the intel produced by the OSP was not shared by Congress (not at all clear on this, appreciate your help in understanding).
According to the links above, the OSP was created because Bush had a pre-concieved agenda to wage war against Iraq and he wanted any and all evidence possible to support that. Wikipedia quotes a Senate Intelligence Comittee report saying the OSP "sought to discredit and cast doubt on CIA analysis in an effort to establish a connection between Saddam Hussein and terrorism." Incidently, this corroberates with the Downing Street Memo.oldreliable67 said:Is the reason that the Bush admin preferred the OSP intel was that they viewed the CIA and other intel sources as flawed or inaccurate, as witness Cheney's reported scribbling in the margin of one OSP report, "This is better than that crap from the CIA"? And this seeming lack of 'quality of product' apparently confirmed by the conclusions of the investigation by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the Kerr Report, and the 9/11 Commission?
I'd like to think at least some people in our government have enough integrity to blow the whistle for ethical reasons, not political revenge, but I have no idea. Maybe they just want publicity, but that'd make more sense if it were just one or two.oldreliable67 said:Is this insult to the USIC the reason for all of the leaks from current and former CIA folks to the media about perceived transgressions by the Bush admin, the reason for the apparent guerilla warfare being waged by certain parts of the USIC against the Bush admin?
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