I propose a "One Party" political system in the United States_

[Fiddytree]

Her solution may not be the best but, at least she's trying to prevent what at this point seems inevitable.

Rather than trash her maybe some of you geniuses could come up with a better idea.

The two party system is a good idea.

 

[Spriggs05]

She said one party not no party.

I was thinking along the lines of crap places to live.

 

[WCH]

The two party system is a good idea.

That explains your centrism for sure but, that's not what we currently have... IMHO

 

[Deuce]

I'm well aware of my hypocrisy
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Please try to keep responses and discussions civil__thank you; Empi~ eace

Why??

 

[German guy]

Uhm... not being American, I don't really want to tell you how to organize your government ... but...

let me tell you we had some experience over here with one-party-systems. NOT a good idea. Just a friendly advice: Don't try it.

 

[HelplessHoping]

Vee haf already zeen zis type of zing before. My family ees very intimate vis zee efektz. No zank you.

What a strange OP. Seriously?

 

[Deuce]

Uhm... not being American, I don't really want to tell you how to organize your government ... but...

let me tell you we had some experience over here with one-party-systems. NOT a good idea. Just a friendly advice: Don't try it.

A rare instance of the Godwin fallacy not really being a fallacy. :lamo

 

[HelplessHoping]

Uhm... not being American, I don't really want to tell you how to organize your government ... but...

let me tell you we had some experience over here with one-party-systems. NOT a good idea. Just a friendly advice: Don't try it.

Yeah exactly my first thought too

 

[Woodman909]

It's quite obvious that the Democrat Party is now under the control of the American progressive movement, whose goal is to convert the US ideo-political/economic system from Capitalist Americanism to Socialist Collectivism_

The far-left also views the US Constitution as a threat and an obstacle to its agenda which needs to be rewritten to better promote and protect their "Progressive" ideology with which they intend to replace the traditional Americanism of the Founding Fathers_

Their long range goal is to fundamentally transform the United States, its Government, its free market system and its Western Culture foundation, *into the collectivist mindset of an anthill or beehive which is totally alien to the unique nature of the American Dream_(*my words, not theirs)

To bring about their Socialist Utopia, the Democrat Party's strategy has been to incite hate for the rich, promote racial unrest and gender division and buying votes with taxpayer dollars through the creation of government handout programs for wealth redistribution_

To ensure continuation of the proven American system that created the wealthiest, safest, most powerful and opportune nation in the history of the world, the United States should adopt a One Party political system to protect what We The People have, for all future generations_

The only goal of that One Party would be the safety, prosperity and national/international interests of the United States and the preservation of freedom and the American Dream and anyone willing to support that agenda rather than desiring to replace or corrupt it would be free to run for political office_

I'm well aware of my hypocrisy by suggesting a Constitutional no-no which I have accused the far-left of in the very same post but drastic times call for drastic measures and my Constitutional tweaking would be preferable to major changes the far-left would lay on us down the road_

Please try to keep responses and discussions civil__thank you; Empi~ eace

In the interest of clarity, the Constitution makes no mention whatsoever of political parties. For the sake of a response, I'm sorry but you sound like a Star Trek episode where people must be assimilated into the Borg Collective.

 

[Fiddytree]

That explains your centrism for sure but, that's not what we currently have... IMHO

We do, and despite what libertarians, populists, and third parties want to tell you, they are different. But what it requires is that candidates have to be more satisfactory to the whole of the country rather than just a few.

 

[WCH]

We do, and despite what libertarians, populists, and third parties want to tell you, they are different. But what it requires is that candidates have to be more satisfactory to the whole of the country rather than just a few.

When has that ever happened?

For Conservatives we haven't had a unanomous choice in the last two elections. Just someone who was chosen for us.

 

[Fiddytree]

When has that ever happened?

For Conservatives we haven't had a unanomous choice in the last two elections. Just someone who was chosen for us.

No, you chose it. Caucus, primaries, straw polls, and divided choices decided your fate. When the Tea Party/base conservatives split their vote between candidates that would not pull out of the race, Romney came ahead. The GOP had an impressive chance and a long primary to put of candidates that would appeal to them, and I think they did alright: everything from the outsiders to the established insider.

 

[Empirica]

Uhm... not being American, I don't really want to tell you how to organize your government ... but...

let me tell you we had some experience over here with one-party-systems. NOT a good idea. Just a friendly advice: Don't try it.

So according to you Germany has a 2 party system, one a left-wing and one a right-wing I presume_

Do these 2 parties represent 2 separate political ideologies or simply 2 levels of the same ideology?

What I'm trying to get at is, does Germany really have a 2 party system or just 2 sides of the same coin?

In the US, both parties have been taking us in the same direction except one is taking us there a lot faster_

Right wing voters have no representation and has had to settle for the lessor of 2 evils for a very long time_

I pretty sure that both Germany and the United States actually have only the illusion of a 2 party system_

I'm simply suggesting that if we're only going to have one party it may as well be the right one_

 

[radcen]

So according to you Germany has a 2 party system, one a left-wing and one a right-wing I presume_

Do these 2 parties represent 2 separate political ideologies or simply 2 levels of the same ideology?

What I'm trying to get at is, does Germany really have a 2 party system or just 2 sides of the same coin?

In the US, both parties have been taking us in the same direction except one is taking us there a lot faster_

Right wing voters have no representation and has had to settle for the lessor of 2 evils for a very long time_

I pretty sure that both Germany and the United States actually have only the illusion of a 2 party system_

I'm simply suggesting that if we're only going to have one party it may as well be the right one_

We do have the illusion of a two-party system, yes. So, maybe, instead of making it official we should go the other way and establish a true two(or more)-party system.

 

[Empirica]

In the interest of clarity, the Constitution makes no mention whatsoever of political parties.

In the interest of clarity, I made no mention of it doing so_

The "hypocrisy" I alluded to was for my promoting intolerance of far-left policies_

For the sake of a response, I'm sorry but you sound like a Star Trek episode where people must be assimilated into the Borg Collective.

Sorry Woody, but I'm post Star Trek so your analogy is totally alien to me_

 

[German guy]

So according to you Germany has a 2 party system, one a left-wing and one a right-wing I presume_

Do these 2 parties represent 2 separate political ideologies or simply 2 levels of the same ideology?

What I'm trying to get at is, does Germany really have a 2 party system or just 2 sides of the same coin?

In the US, both parties have been taking us in the same direction except one is taking us there a lot faster_

Right wing voters have no representation and has had to settle for the lessor of 2 evils for a very long time_

I pretty sure that both Germany and the United States actually have only the illusion of a 2 party system_

I'm simply suggesting that if we're only going to have one party it may as well be the right one_

Actually, Germany has a multi-party system with currently 5 parties in the federal parliament. Every party that wins at least 5% of the votes gets seats.

There is a major center-right and a major center-left party, a libertarian party, a progressive-environmentalist Green party and a socialist far-left party. In some states, there are even more, like the Pirate Party in favor of internet freedom and transparency (in 4 states), a far-right neo-Nazi party (in two states) and an independent-centrist voter list (in one state).

So I think there are very different idealogical offers on the market the voter can choose from in Germany. It ranges from genuine socialists (reformed successor of the former commies in East Germany) over conservative euro-skeptics ("Alternative for Germany") and pro-market libertarians to even neo-Nazi authoritarians -- even if you believe the major center-right and center-left parties are just "different sides of the same coin".

I'd feel frustrated with the American two-party system as well. Far-left and far-right are usually not well represented and most people just vote "for the lesser evil". I'd dislike that too and prefer a system where there are more than just two choices. Maybe that's why our turnout is usually much higher than in America.

 

[Jetboogieman]

"Let's save the house by setting it on fire".

 

[Woodman909]

In the interest of clarity, I made no mention of it doing so_

The "hypocrisy" I alluded to was for my promoting intolerance of far-left policies_

Sorry Woody, but I'm post Star Trek so your analogy is totally alien to me_

Then would you clarify what you meant by "...suggesting a Constitutional no-no...." ?

 

[imagep]

If the GOP doesn't change a lot in the near future in about thirty years massive demographic change will give you the one party system that you wish for, because it will reduce the out of touch GOP to a minor, regional, party with no national power.

Wait and see.

No one can stop time, and/or change.

I don't think that it will take thirty years. Looks to me that it is already becoming that way. However, I have also been noticing the GOP moving more to the center during the past seven months, so I think that they are aware of this also.

I'm not an Obamacare supporter, and even went to my republican congressman with an alternative plan to try to fight against it. But, when Obamacare goes into effect, and our economy doesn't collapse, the GOP is going to be made stupid and foolish with all their dire prediction, and that will pretty much be the end of the GOP, and especially the Tea Party component (which has already pretty much disentigrated), for a long long time.

 

[Jack Fabulous]

I don't think that it will take thirty years. Looks to me that it is already becoming that way. However, I have also been noticing the GOP moving more to the center during the past seven months, so I think that they are aware of this also.

I'm not an Obamacare supporter, and even went to my republican congressman with an alternative plan to try to fight against it. But, when Obamacare goes into effect, and our economy doesn't collapse, the GOP is going to be made stupid and foolish with all their dire prediction, and that will pretty much be the end of the GOP, and especially the Tea Party component (which has already pretty much disentigrated), for a long long time.

I honestly believe that Obamacare failing was part of it's design. They REALLY want single payer. To get there they have to have the popular support from the people and they don't. But if they can make things bad enough, they just might get it. I think they're banking on the old "tried and true" strategy of having the solution ready prior to unleashing the problem.

I could be wrong. I guess we'll see...

 

[radcen]

I honestly believe that Obamacare failing was part of it's design. They REALLY want single payer. To get there they have to have the popular support from the people and they don't. But if they can make things bad enough, they just might get it. I think they're banking on the old "tried and true" strategy of having the solution ready prior to unleashing the problem.

I could be wrong. I guess we'll see...

I have long believed that Obamacare will be only a stepping stone to eventual single payer.

 

[imagep]

I honestly believe that Obamacare failing was part of it's design. They REALLY want single payer. To get there they have to have the popular support from the people and they don't. But if they can make things bad enough, they just might get it. I think they're banking on the old "tried and true" strategy of having the solution ready prior to unleashing the problem.

I could be wrong. I guess we'll see...

You might be right about that.

But my point was that conservatives have done so much ranting about obamacare, claiming that it is going to destroy the country, that if it doesn't , conservatism in the US will look to most americans to have been a fraud.

All the hyper-inflation folks already look like idiots. But who knows, maybe hyperinflation really is just around the corner, conservatives have only been claiming that for the past 100 years.

 

[imagep]

I have long believed that Obamacare will be only a stepping stone to eventual single payer.

I'm a huge supporter of "single payer", except that I define it a little differently than most people do. To me, single payer would be a system where the consumer pays for his own health care, not the taxpayer, and not some insurance company. If we went to my version of single payer, healthcare costs would drop like a rock, due to price competition.

Our only real healthcare crises is the price, so my version of single payer would solve the crises.

 

[Paschendale]

If the GOP doesn't change a lot in the near future in about thirty years massive demographic change will give you the one party system that you wish for, because it will reduce the out of touch GOP to a minor, regional, party with no national power.

Wait and see.

No one can stop time, and/or change.

Don't you think the Democratic party would fracture? I would obviously welcome a continued leftward shift in our politics, but I doubt that any group of Americans with a political mindset will fail to find something to fight about. Perhaps our center will move to the left and our left and right wing will align with the rest of the civilized world.

 

[Rainman05]

So according to you Germany has a 2 party system, one a left-wing and one a right-wing I presume_

Do these 2 parties represent 2 separate political ideologies or simply 2 levels of the same ideology?

What I'm trying to get at is, does Germany really have a 2 party system or just 2 sides of the same coin?

In the US, both parties have been taking us in the same direction except one is taking us there a lot faster_

Right wing voters have no representation and has had to settle for the lessor of 2 evils for a very long time_

I pretty sure that both Germany and the United States actually have only the illusion of a 2 party system_

I'm simply suggesting that if we're only going to have one party it may as well be the right one_

Well. germany, like most European countries don't have a 2 party system. You'd be hard pressed to find countries that are 2 party states in Europe. Even the UK has 3 major parties, Labour, Liberal and Conservative and quite a few minor ones.