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It seems so obvious to me. Granted I am further left than Joe or Kamala, but one thing I believe about both of them, is they truly think they will do their best for America and mean to give it their all.

Hell, I feel that way about Mitt Romney. I even suspect Mike Pence is regretful of having been with Trump. but really has no way out now. I mean I WILDLY disagree with Pence, but I don't feel like he's malicious deep down. I think in his heart he cares about America in ways Trump is incapable of understanding,.

Trump on the other hand is so clearly a con artist and grifter, and how anyone is actually fooled into thinking he gives one damn about America beyond how he is percieved and his own fortunes is surreal to me! The whole swamp around him is pure naked grift!

I mean I have extreme lib friends who are so offended by Biden they're voting third party, and I think they're insane. I can vote for someone who does not idealogically agree with me totally when it's this important.

I'm truly terrified how bad things will be if he gets another four years. Anyone telling me Trump "cares about Americans" is a god damn decieved LIAR! :shock:
 

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It seems so obvious to me. Granted I am further left than Joe or Kamala, but one thing I believe about both of them, is they truly think they will do their best for America and mean to give it their all.

Hell, I feel that way about Mitt Romney. I even suspect Mike Pence is regretful of having been with Trump. but really has no way out now. I mean I WILDLY disagree with Pence, but I don't feel like he's malicious deep down. I think in his heart he cares about America in ways Trump is incapable of understanding,.

Trump on the other hand is so clearly a con artist and grifter, and how anyone is actually fooled into thinking he gives one damn about America beyond how he is percieved and his own fortunes is surreal to me! The whole swamp around him is pure naked grift!

I mean I have extreme lib friends who are so offended by Biden they're voting third party, and I think they're insane. I can vote for someone who does not idealogically agree with me totally when it's this important.

I'm truly terrified how bad things will be if he gets another four years. Anyone telling me Trump "cares about Americans" is a god damn decieved LIAR! :shock:

as a Lincoln Project Republican I totally understand where you are coming from.
 

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It seems so obvious to me. Granted I am further left than Joe or Kamala, but one thing I believe about both of them, is they truly think they will do their best for America and mean to give it their all.

Hell, I feel that way about Mitt Romney. I even suspect Mike Pence is regretful of having been with Trump. but really has no way out now. I mean I WILDLY disagree with Pence, but I don't feel like he's malicious deep down. I think in his heart he cares about America in ways Trump is incapable of understanding,.

Trump on the other hand is so clearly a con artist and grifter, and how anyone is actually fooled into thinking he gives one damn about America beyond how he is percieved and his own fortunes is surreal to me! The whole swamp around him is pure naked grift!

I mean I have extreme lib friends who are so offended by Biden they're voting third party, and I think they're insane. I can vote for someone who does not idealogically agree with me totally when it's this important.

I'm truly terrified how bad things will be if he gets another four years. Anyone telling me Trump "cares about Americans" is a god damn decieved LIAR! :shock:

And you dont think WE can see reality? Seek help.
 

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people are ready for sane again. i think they're worn out hearing the Confederates.
 

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And you dont think WE can see reality? Seek help.

Name anything Trump did to help Americans that cost him? You can't because it's not in his character and even you know that....
 

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Name anything Trump did to help Americans that cost him? You can't because it's not in his character and even you know that....

Why does it have to cost him? Do you mean when was the last time he opened a vein?
 

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It seems so obvious to me. Granted I am further left than Joe or Kamala, but one thing I believe about both of them, is they truly think they will do their best for America and mean to give it their all.

Hell, I feel that way about Mitt Romney. I even suspect Mike Pence is regretful of having been with Trump. but really has no way out now. I mean I WILDLY disagree with Pence, but I don't feel like he's malicious deep down. I think in his heart he cares about America in ways Trump is incapable of understanding,.

Trump on the other hand is so clearly a con artist and grifter, and how anyone is actually fooled into thinking he gives one damn about America beyond how he is percieved and his own fortunes is surreal to me! The whole swamp around him is pure naked grift!

I mean I have extreme lib friends who are so offended by Biden they're voting third party, and I think they're insane. I can vote for someone who does not idealogically agree with me totally when it's this important.

I'm truly terrified how bad things will be if he gets another four years. Anyone telling me Trump "cares about Americans" is a god damn decieved LIAR! :shock:

You're right about trump, but in other things, I am sorry to say, you sound very naive. A lot of good people are.
 

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I mean I WILDLY disagree with Pence, but I don't feel like he's malicious deep down. I think in his heart he cares about America in ways Trump is incapable of understanding,.

Yep, I would rather have Pence than Trump. Trump is simply completely incompetent. This quote below sums up Donald Trump as president:

“I tell him — I mean I’m a different type of person — I say, ‘Mike, don’t call the governor in Washington, you’re wasting your time with him. Don’t call the woman in Michigan,’” Trump said. “If they don’t treat you right, I don’t call.”

Coronavirus briefing: Trump attacks Gov. Whitmer of Michigan - Vox

Of course, Pence, being a responsible human being, was on the phone with these governors doing his job while Trump was throwing his temper tantrum.

I can't understand why any rational person would vote for Trump. It's insane.
 

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It seems so obvious to me. Granted I am further left than Joe or Kamala, but one thing I believe about both of them, is they truly think they will do their best for America and mean to give it their all.

Hell, I feel that way about Mitt Romney. I even suspect Mike Pence is regretful of having been with Trump. but really has no way out now. I mean I WILDLY disagree with Pence, but I don't feel like he's malicious deep down. I think in his heart he cares about America in ways Trump is incapable of understanding,.

Trump on the other hand is so clearly a con artist and grifter, and how anyone is actually fooled into thinking he gives one damn about America beyond how he is percieved and his own fortunes is surreal to me! The whole swamp around him is pure naked grift!

I mean I have extreme lib friends who are so offended by Biden they're voting third party, and I think they're insane. I can vote for someone who does not idealogically agree with me totally when it's this important.

I'm truly terrified how bad things will be if he gets another four years. Anyone telling me Trump "cares about Americans" is a god damn decieved LIAR! :shock:

Mike Pence is a Dominionist, so before you give him any mild reprieve, take a look at what Dominionists really believe, about America and particularly about the future of democracy in a constitutional republic, maybe even about the future of constitutional republics themselves.
HINT: Be sure to have someone nearby who can move you to some fresh air after reading about them.
 

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It seems so obvious to me. Granted I am further left than Joe or Kamala, but one thing I believe about both of them, is they truly think they will do their best for America and mean to give it their all.

Hell, I feel that way about Mitt Romney. I even suspect Mike Pence is regretful of having been with Trump. but really has no way out now. I mean I WILDLY disagree with Pence, but I don't feel like he's malicious deep down. I think in his heart he cares about America in ways Trump is incapable of understanding,.

Trump on the other hand is so clearly a con artist and grifter, and how anyone is actually fooled into thinking he gives one damn about America beyond how he is percieved and his own fortunes is surreal to me! The whole swamp around him is pure naked grift!

I mean I have extreme lib friends who are so offended by Biden they're voting third party, and I think they're insane. I can vote for someone who does not idealogically agree with me totally when it's this important.

I'm truly terrified how bad things will be if he gets another four years. Anyone telling me Trump "cares about Americans" is a god damn decieved LIAR! :shock:

People are truly terrified if Biden I mean Harris is in charge. Different visions for America.
 

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Mike Pence is a Dominionist, so before you give him any mild reprieve, take a look at what Dominionists really believe, about America and particularly about the future of democracy in a constitutional republic, maybe even about the future of constitutional republics themselves.
HINT: Be sure to have someone nearby who can move you to some fresh air after reading about them.

Oh, don't get me for a second wrong; Mike Pence's platforms would be WORSE than Trump's. The difference would be, that Pence is a competent individual. While I say I like him better than Trump, it's only in that I see Pence as an actual patriot. He's dead wrong about almost everything, but, he cares what's best for America, even if his vision is dead wrong. He also would have a much saner foreign policy and not be throwing shade at alliances.

If Pence was effective at instituting his vision, it could be as bad as Trump in some ways for sure, possibly worse. He'd never get much further than Trump with it though.
 
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People are truly terrified if Biden I mean Harris is in charge. Different visions for America.

BS. You are TERRIFIED of losing your orange moron hero, but you're not that scared of Biden or Harris. It's fauxrage that for some reason, you people think you can peddle to fence sitters to sell them on Trump.

Trump is such an unmitigated disaster only the very uninformed, and even very few of them will be fooled. But keep trying to sell your BS by all means.... :lamo
 

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Yep, I would rather have Pence than Trump. Trump is simply completely incompetent. This quote below sums up Donald Trump as president:



Coronavirus briefing: Trump attacks Gov. Whitmer of Michigan - Vox

Of course, Pence, being a responsible human being, was on the phone with these governors doing his job while Trump was throwing his temper tantrum.

I can't understand why any rational person would vote for Trump. It's insane.

Pence would be far worse than trump. Pence would know how to work the system for his brand of crazy religious ****. Trump is a bull in a china shop eventually everyone will get tired of cleaning his mess.
 

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Pence would be far worse than trump. Pence would know how to work the system for his brand of crazy religious ****. Trump is a bull in a china shop eventually everyone will get tired of cleaning his mess.

Where Pence aimed would be. I think he'd be blocked and checked by congress much more effectively than Trump has been though. I think that would be a big difference for the better. But yes, some of Pence's positions are worse.
 

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Pence would be far worse than trump. Pence would know how to work the system for his brand of crazy religious ****. Trump is a bull in a china shop eventually everyone will get tired of cleaning his mess.

True but I would bet that trump is more vindictive.
 

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BS. You are TERRIFIED of losing your orange moron hero, but you're not that scared of Biden or Harris. It's fauxrage that for some reason, you people think you can peddle to fence sitters to sell them on Trump.

Trump is such an unmitigated disaster only the very uninformed, and even very few of them will be fooled. But keep trying to sell your BS by all means.... :lamo

It's a matter of policy. Whether it's Biden, Sanders, Warren...they all suck on policy matters.
 

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It's a matter of policy. Whether it's Biden, Sanders, Warren...they all suck on policy matters.

You're beliefs about their policy and their actual policy are radically different things for starters.... :roll:
 

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Why does it have to cost him? Do you mean when was the last time he opened a vein?

As they say from your lips to god's ears. please let him sit in a bathtub and do himself in before the trials start.
 

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You're beliefs about their policy and their actual policy are radically different things for starters.... :roll:

can't educate dunning kruger welded to confirmation bias. Facts and reality bounce of foreheads and spew empty bull**** in response.
 

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As they say from your lips to god's ears. please let him sit in a bathtub and do himself in before the trials start.

I'll pass that on to the Secret Service.
 

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Oh, don't get me for a second wrong; Mike Pence's platforms would be WORSE than Trump's. The difference would be, that Pence is a competent individual. While I say I like him better than Trump, it's only in that I see Pence as an actual patriot. He's dead wrong about almost everything, but, he cares what's best for America, even if his vision is dead wrong. He also would have a much saner foreign policy and not be throwing shade at alliances.

If Pence was effective at instituting his vision, it could be as bad as Trump in some ways for sure, possibly worse. He'd never get much further than Trump with it though.

I used to think he'd be ineffectual but now that I see the apparatus at his disposal, competence and effectiveness are not a factor at all.
They can put a trained monkey in there and get away with it, thus Pence's Dominionist agenda would be put in place with nary a squeak, at least until the flaming lot of them are dragged away kicking and screaming.
 

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BS. You are TERRIFIED of losing your orange moron hero, but you're not that scared of Biden or Harris. It's fauxrage that for some reason, you people think you can peddle to fence sitters to sell them on Trump.

Trump is such an unmitigated disaster only the very uninformed, and even very few of them will be fooled. But keep trying to sell your BS by all means.... :lamo

People should think for themselves. If you are a BLM loving socialist the democrats will be your choice.
 
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