I have changed my mind... I think there is a good case

against Donald Trump for incitement. My concern all along was proving intent. Having watched the timetable of events, its that crucial hour into the riots and knowing what Trump knew about what his words in his infamous speech before they left, had already done to this crowd - smashing windows, attacking the cops etc . He waits in total silence for 40 minutes having people beg him to call for calm, and instead he 'tweets' that same speech all over again. He puts those incendiary words right out there again, leaving no doubt that he liked what they accomplished last time. We can wonder what he intended the first time they were said, but there is no doubt in my mind of what he intended the second time, and it sure as hell was not a call to disarm. It was a call to keep it up.

That along with his delay ordering more troops, his refusal to condemn the riots or violence, is enough and all the other contextual evidence over the last few weeks, is enough to show he wanted this very result to move forward.

These House Managers have done a very good job of putting this timeline together in both days 1 and two and wrapping up in the context of his 'big lie' and the Biden Bus attack etc.

I always thought there was a good case, but I agree, the Managers did an excellent job in explaining all the events and the timeline of Trump's involvement. Unfortunately, the Trump Party republicans are too selfish, afraid and unpatriotic to convict. I'd be shocked if they did the right thing for this country, they haven't in the past four years.

"Remember this day forever."

I'm sure he will.
The highlight of his term.

Old 'N Chill said:

I always thought there was a good case, but I agree, the Managers did an excellent job in explaining all the events and the timeline of Trump's involvement. Unfortunately, the Trump Party republicans are too selfish, afraid and unpatriotic to convict. I'd be shocked if they did the right thing for this country, they haven't in the past four years.

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Its hard to prove what he wanted them to do when he said those words the first time. Martin Luther King, Harvey Milk, and every other protest leader has called for the troops to march and to fight injustice. What did he expect? what did he intend? and SCOTUS demands that the intent shown as be for imminent violence. ' How was he to know they would take them literally and radically? A DA can't prove he did the first time,. But 90 minutes later, when he knows what impact it had, he decides to retweet and that is where the incitement charge eminates.

He's basically motivating the criminal enterprise, and motivating any reinforcements to join them

Trump spent months before the election and after with the Big Lie. That was the gasoline. On January 6th he simply lit the match and tossed it. Not only should he be impeached, he should be in jail.

Agreed. And kudos to those brave Capitol police. Romney may very well had been running towards a very sad demise, if that cop had not alerted him to turn around and seek a safe area. When people violently transgress one of the most hallowed halls of our democratic republic, screaming words of harming Pence, Pelosi, and any/all of our elected officials, any prudent C-I-C would have had the National Guard there in full force ASAP. Clearly Trump chose to not quickly act to protect our elected officials. And although it is not on audio/video there is inside info from Ben Sasse and others that Trump was wandering around the White House confused as to why others were not as 'giddy' as he apparently was/is at the appalling acts going on within those hallowed halls. And he clearly threw his own Vice President under the bus, simply because Pence was carrying out his Constitutional duties per the oath he took. Watching those tapes of Romney, and Pence and family, as well as the cop being squeezed in that secured door should affect any American deeply that truly embraces American values. Unfortunately, Trump will be aquitted, sending the wrong message not only to the insurrectionists, but to our kids and grand kids, which is the real travesty here.

sigh...

I don't know which is worse...people who use lies to prosecute a sham trial in a kangaroo court or people who believe the liars.




There's always those who will provide the bread and circus...and there's always those who believe the bread and circus is reality.

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I don't know which is worse...people who use lies to prosecute a sham trial in a kangaroo court or people who believe the liars.

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There's always those who will provide the bread and circus...and there's always those who believe the bread and circus is reality.

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And there will always be those who put love of a POTUS who incited an insurrection, and threw his own Vice President and his young daughters and wife under the bus, over love of country.

btthegreat said:

against Donald Trump for incitement. My concern all along was proving intent. Having watched the timetable of events, its that crucial hour into the riots and knowing what Trump knew about what his words in his infamous speech before they left, had already done to this crowd - smashing windows, attacking the cops etc . He waits in total silence for 40 minutes having people beg him to call for calm, and instead he 'tweets' that same speech all over again. He puts those incendiary words right out there again, leaving no doubt that he liked what they accomplished last time. We can wonder what he intended the first time they were said, but there is no doubt in my mind of what he intended the second time, and it sure as hell was not a call to disarm. It was a call to keep it up.

That along with his delay ordering more troops, his refusal to condemn the riots or violence, is enough and all the other contextual evidence over the last few weeks, is enough to show he wanted this very result to move forward.

These House Managers have done a very good job of putting this timeline together in both days 1 and two and wrapping up in the context of his 'big lie' and the Biden Bus attack etc.

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Yes, there is no doubt that the evidence is compelling, and demands a guilty verdict from anyone with even a moderate comprehension level. . . . . .


HOWEVER . . . . the compelling evidence means absolutely nothing to the cowardly Republicans who cannot even bare to watch or listen to it, let alone speak against Trump, because they've already made the shameful political calculation that voting in Trump's favor is the safer course, no matter how history will paint them. They are proof positive that the human race evolved from monkeys. When it comes to Trump, they will hear no evil, see no evil, nor speak any evil of him - period.

Logician Man said:

And there will always be those who put love of a POTUS who incited an insurrection, and threw his own Vice President and his young daughters and wife under the bus, over love of country.

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And there will always be leftists who virtue signal their admiration for the Capitol Police while supporting defunding the police forces everywhere. There will always be leftists who support socialism over love of country.

Logician Man said:

Agreed. And kudos to those brave Capitol police. Romney may very well had been running towards a very sad demise, if that cop had not alerted him to turn around and seek a safe area. When people violently transgress one of the most hallowed halls of our democratic republic, screaming words of harming Pence, Pelosi, and any/all of our elected officials, any prudent C-I-C would have had the National Guard there in full force ASAP. Clearly Trump chose to not quickly act to protect our elected officials. And although it is not on audio/video there is inside info from Ben Sasse and others that Trump was wandering around the White House confused as to why others were not as 'giddy' as he apparently was/is at the appalling acts going on within those hallowed halls. And he clearly threw his own Vice President under the bus, simply because Pence was carrying out his Constitutional duties per the oath he took. Watching those tapes of Romney, and Pence and family, as well as the cop being squeezed in that secured door should affect any American deeply that truly embraces American values. Unfortunately, Trump will be aquitted, sending the wrong message not only to the insurrectionists, but to our kids and grand kids, which is the real travesty here.

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I agree with you and join you in thanking the Capitol police for a job well done in protecting our lawmakers against the bloodthirsty Trump mob of terrorists. They were brave and selfless, not something I can say for any republicans in the Trump Party. I'm very grateful that the officers were able to do all they did on that deadly day. My heart goes out to all who were in the Capitol on January 6th, what a terrible thing to have to experience while serving your country.

It was very emotional watching those videos of the insurrection, knowing the Trump Party, if anything happened to Romney, they'd shrug it off and say 'no big loss, he was a RINO anyway', that's how these people are. I feel bad for the children who now, having seen a traitor in the White House, don't have the admiration of the Office of the Presidency as a young child should have. My neighbor has a little 8 year old boy, and he used to notice things when they watched the news, his mom and dad explained things to him. When President Biden officially won the election, he was so cute when he smiled at me and said now America will be great again. But, then he watched some of Trump mob attack also, sad for him to see the vile American trash act out at Trump's request, in real time on the TV. That shit if ****ed up, dark days in America that we can thank the Inciter In Chief for.

Good for you. We have to imagine that it’s what Trump had in mind all along. He surely did not expect that just a demonstration would cause the electoral college endorsement by Congress to be halted. Plus the reports that he sat glued to the TV and was quite pleased at what he saw. Thank the good Lord that he can no longer continue to destroy the nation as president, at least for the time being.

btthegreat said:

against Donald Trump for incitement. My concern all along was proving intent. Having watched the timetable of events, its that crucial hour into the riots and knowing what Trump knew about what his words in his infamous speech before they left, had already done to this crowd - smashing windows, attacking the cops etc . He waits in total silence for 40 minutes having people beg him to call for calm, and instead he 'tweets' that same speech all over again. He puts those incendiary words right out there again, leaving no doubt that he liked what they accomplished last time. We can wonder what he intended the first time they were said, but there is no doubt in my mind of what he intended the second time, and it sure as hell was not a call to disarm. It was a call to keep it up.

That along with his delay ordering more troops, his refusal to condemn the riots or violence, is enough and all the other contextual evidence over the last few weeks, is enough to show he wanted this very result to move forward.

These House Managers have done a very good job of putting this timeline together in both days 1 and two and wrapping up in the context of his 'big lie' and the Biden Bus attack etc.

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who would have thunk it...a liberal thinking Trump is guilty

next you will tell me that grass usually grows green

gdgyva said:

who would have thunk it...a liberal thinking Trump is guilty

next you will tell me that grass usually grows green

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I must have woken up this morning feeling more liberal than I did a month ago, three weeks ago, two weeks ago or last week when I posed this question about establishing criminal guilt proved beyond a reasonable doubt, and came to the opposite conclusion.