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I fear Putin will explode a nuclear weapon and blame it on the Ukraine.

How so? The west is making economic war against Russia and some of its leaders. When was the last time a war was declared?
No, it's not economic war. That extraordinary measure - the one where no Russians can bank internationally - is the kind of poison pill of last resort not even moron Bubba would try.
 
Putin attempting a false flag with nukes will be the end of him. he has 0 chance of getting away with it
It's non-zero, but it would signal to Xi that the Russian state cannot defend its Altai possessions.
 
The word is crazy about nukes. I don't know what will happen?
I'm not up to date on all the latest game outs, but last I recall, the only exchanges that wouldn't go global are a low yield Israeli use in Syria and a quickly negotiated "sputter" between India and Pakistan over water projects on the Indus.
 
I'm not up to date on all the latest game outs, but last I recall, the only exchanges that wouldn't go global are a low yield Israeli use in Syria and a quickly negotiated "sputter" between India and Pakistan over water projects on the Indus.
That is dubious. Citations please?
 
That is dubious. Citations please?
You want me to cite documents that aren't publicly available?

I mean you are completely free to doubt me, but if you want, I'm sure you can see how it's likely that nearly all first-use scenarios escalate to global nuclear war.
 
Ever hear of a place by the name of Chernobyl?

Putin doesn't need to drop a nuke or two or three. There are several nuclear power plants in the eastern regions of Ukraine. An 'accidental' artillery shell dropped into one of the reactors could cause a freakin' disaster. Who receives the blame for the explosion would definitely cause a commotion.

US and Russian Physicians Warn War in Ukraine Risks Global Nuclear 'Catastrophe'

"No matter the genesis, the cause, or who started what, the reality remains that there are 15 operating nuclear reactors in Ukraine that, if conflict breaks out there, could be in peril."

In a new statement, nuclear energy specialists joined members of the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War (IPPNW)—a coalition of medical groups that won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1985 for its non-proliferation work—in noting that while Ukraine does not possess nuclear weapons, it does maintain more than a dozen nuclear power reactors that could be in the line of fire should the current situation descend into all-out war.
 
Ever hear of a place by the name of Chernobyl?

Putin doesn't need to drop a nuke or two or three. There are several nuclear power plants in the eastern regions of Ukraine. An 'accidental' artillery shell dropped into one of the reactors could cause a freakin' disaster. Who receives the blame for the explosion would definitely cause a commotion.
Now this is a much more reasonable extrapolation. Especially if it can be Beslan'ed.
 
You want me to cite documents that aren't publicly available?

I mean you are completely free to doubt me, but if you want, I'm sure you can see how it's likely that nearly all first-use scenarios escalate to global nuclear war.
I don't see that at all. Nuclear strikes are self limiting under any game strategy. If no one is left there is no winner.
 
I don't see that at all. Nuclear strikes are self limiting under any game strategy. If no one is left there is no winner.
This assumes that there are safeguards for a doctrine that is 'we removed all the safeguards in the hopes that rationality will emerge from terror. '

This is why most scenarios game out to total war, because the system was designed to escalate, and that's without even accounting for security umbrellas, treaty obligations and basic human folly

I mean, ffs, Able Ebenezer almost did it in '83, and that was just a misinterpreted training exercise.
 
This assumes that there are safeguards for a doctrine that is 'we removed all the safeguards in the hopes that rationality will emerge from terror. '

This is why most scenarios game out to total war, because the system was designed to escalate, and that's without even accounting for security umbrellas, treaty obligations and basic human folly

I mean, ffs, Able Ebenezer almost did it in '83, and that was just a misinterpreted training exercise.
There is a long line of people involved between the order from a crazy man and the explosion of a nuclear weapon. And each one must decide what to do.
 
There is a long line of people involved between the order from a crazy man and the explosion of a nuclear weapon. And each one must decide what to do.
So this just isn't true. If you were born after 1983, one cautious Soviet colonel is the only reason you were born.
 
So this just isn't true. If you were born after 1983, one cautious Soviet colonel is the only reason you were born.
Please tell the whole "verified" story.
 
You want me to post 20k words on Able Archer? (Heh. I just realized I mislabeled a great vet owned brewer, above. My error.)
No. If you have a book of new knowledge then you need to publish and have it validated before you use cryptic references to it in your arguments.
 
It will shake the world order. And he does not care.
Such an idea is too American. No, he wouldn't do such a thing.
He is a nut case, and as he gets older he will probably get more narcistic.
No, he's just fed up with the West's lies, double standards, threats and being cornered by more and more NATO weapons and treated as if Russia is not a great power.
It's extremely clear(not just to Putin, to anyone with a clear and rational mind) that the West never wanted a fair, civilized, mutually beneficial relationship with Russia, the West only wanted to ruin Russia. Russia's policies and attitude will change accordingly.
 
It will shake the world order. And he does not care.

Why on Earth would he bother? He's going to smash the Ukraine into a fine red paste with just conventional weapons.

If he starts flinging nukes around, his own people will do him in.
 
Such an idea is too American. No, he wouldn't do such a thing.

No, he's just fed up with the West's lies, double standards, threats and being cornered by more and more NATO weapons and treated as if Russia is not a great power.
It's extremely clear(not just to Putin, to anyone with a clear and rational mind) that the West never wanted a fair, civilized, mutually beneficial relationship with Russia, the West only wanted to ruin Russia. Russia's policies and attitude will change accordingly.

Yeah, he's a real angel.
 
Such an idea is too American. No, he wouldn't do such a thing.

No, he's just fed up with the West's lies, double standards, threats and being cornered by more and more NATO weapons and treated as if Russia is not a great power.
It's extremely clear(not just to Putin, to anyone with a clear and rational mind) that the West never wanted a fair, civilized, mutually beneficial relationship with Russia, the West only wanted to ruin Russia. Russia's policies and attitude will change accordingly.
Well, if the Kremlin's policy (better said that of Putin) is to lie most pathologically, why would yours be any different?
 
Do you think the Ukrainians are his only enemies? He has declared war on NATO and the west.
Make our day, Pootie. Make our day.
 
He is a nut case, and as he gets older he will probably get more narcistic.

According to your Dear Leader, Putin is a genius. Orange man still hasn't removed his lips from Putin's pastey Russian ass.
 
According to your Dear Leader, Putin is a genius. Orange man still hasn't removed his lips from Putin's pastey Russian ass.
Trump just knew how to deal with these types. He knows how to talk raccoon to a raccoon.
 
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