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I am so tired of the fat acceptance movement and people trying to force the world to accommodate people that have no discipline and have lost control.

beefheart said:
Yeah you do, you went out of your way to start a thread....
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About the accommodation demands of some obese people and the normalization of obesity in our society, yes.
 
dex4974 said:
If you're fat the world doesn't exist to accommodate you. Get your shit together. Also stop polluting the minds of young people by making them think it's cool to accept being extremely fat and unhealthy.
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While that may be a bit harsh (mostly because some of these people have medical reasons for being overweight) I do believe that we aren't doing fat people any favors by patting them on the back, hugging them, and telling them they should feel good about themselves. That just seems to send the message that being fat is ok. Most of these people have self esteem issues so telling them that being fat is OK doesn't help with their bottom line problem, not to mention that obesity causes many health issues. So, basically encouraging them to remain fat not only doesn't help their problems but it also gives them the tacit approval to gain even more weight, but feel good about yourself anyway.
 
Moderate Right said:
While that may be a bit harsh (mostly because some of these people have medical reasons for being overweight) I do believe that we aren't doing fat people any favors by patting them on the back, hugging them, and telling them they should feel good about themselves. That just seems to send the message that being fat is ok. Most of these people have self esteem issues so telling them that being fat is OK doesn't help with their bottom line problem, not to mention that obesity causes many health issues. So, basically encouraging them to remain fat not only doesn't help their problems but it also gives them the tacit approval to gain even more weight, but feel good about yourself anyway.
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It's extremely, extremely rare for a person to have a condition that causes them to be overweight. There are numerous conditions that make it easier to be overweight. You don't even need exercise to stay a healthy weight if you eat right.
 
dex4974 said:
I am tired of their social movement. You can barely use social media anymore without being exposed to it regularly. The movement is unhealthy for society and it's absurd to expect society to build infrastructure to accommodate extreme obesity.

I'll also admit to being generally disgusted by them. It's the physical manifestation of laziness and a lack of discipline. It makes me physically uncomfortable to even see an extremely obese person.

By the way they also inundate healthcare systems all over the world. Any doctor will tell you about the extreme impact caused by obese patients. My own brother works in the medical field and is starting to have back pains at 26 because he has to constantly move enormous people around to help give them treatment. It's a disgusting, harmful lifestyle and society should be louder about that fact.
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Wow, you don't even realize how much projection is in that statement.

Maybe you should stop irrationally hating others and start work on loving yourself...
 
beefheart said:
Wow, you don't even realize how much projection is in that statement.

Maybe you should stop irrationally hating others and start work on loving yourself...
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I love and respect myself a lot. That's why I take excellent care of myself.
 
dex4974 said:
About the accommodation demands of some obese people and the normalization of obesity in our society, yes.
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Do you feel the same way about disabled people demanding accommodation?
 
dex4974 said:
I love and respect myself a lot. That's why I take excellent care of myself.
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Ah, but you feel that it is your place to hate others that don't look like you...
 
Obesity is certainly a problem in the US and also here in Canada. We should never accept it as normal, and anyone with weight issues should try to strive to be healthier.

Now that I got that out of the way, there area few underlying issues as to why people are fat. This was not a problem in the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s like it is now, so why is it? Is it because people are lazier today than in the past? Is it because people eat more? Is it because people care less?

A kidney doctor from Toronto wrote a book a few years ago because he wondered why he had so many patients with complications from diabetes. Instead of lecturing his patients, he decided to delve into why it's such a problem. His conclusions -- based-on human trial studies and endless research -- is that people are fat because of our overly processed food abundance. Corn is heavily subsidized and you'll find in some form in everything that is processed. People have less time these days to make nice meals and settle for stuff in a package or box. These processed food cause insulin resistance which leads to diabetes and weight gain. So, in essence, laziness, high-fat, high-calorie diets do not cause obesity. Too much insulin causes obesity. Insulin makes you fat. It's so not about calories in and calories out.

I am skeptical by nature so a friend asked me to read it and get my take. Her doctor told her about it because she had gastro surgery many years ago and had been slowly putting on weight every year despite not changing her diet. I relunctantly read it and I must say I was blown away. I think about food and exercise so differently now.
 
beefheart said:
Ah, but you feel that it is your place to hate others that don't look like you...
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I just think fat people should stop expecting society to be responsible for what is only their responsibility
 
dex4974 said:
I just think fat people should stop expecting society to be responsible for what is only their responsibility
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Do you feel the same way about disabled people?
 
dex4974 said:
I don't care about how fat a person gets if they own it and leave society alone. If a fat person expects airlines and movie theaters to make special seats just to accommodate them I take issue with that. Also when they pollute the minds of young people with fat-acceptance rubbish.
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I don't know of any fat people that want society to accommodate them. OTH it does bother me that obesity is one of the reasons people have so many health problems and it costs us all in higher premiums.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Okay, time to be harsh.

Fat shaming is not the answer, shaming of any kind tends to cause other consequences, but leaving people to become obese and not try to help is both an economic and social issue.

Like it or not, pretend to be Libertarian or whatever, we are a community and there is an impact to our economy and our society. According to both the AMA and CDC roughly 1/3rd of this nation is obese with another 1/3rd being overweight.

The fact is... not opinion, not some soap box I am standing on but fact... is obesity the leading underline health issue killer in this nation today. Obesity is not listed by the AMA or CDC as the primary reason for death but both list the influence obesity has on heart disease, cancer, diabetes, strokes, heart attacks, etc. By various studies we know obesity makes one anywhere from 4x to 10x times more likely to die from what I am talking about than those who are at a more healthy weight.

And that leads me to the economics of the matter, healthcare costs that are distributed onto the rest of us. Again, like it or not, but all health insurance no matter who provides that insurance are all based on the exact same principle. Distribution of the costs of the sick onto the healthy. You may scream socialism or communism or whatever other shit some politician says to the media but the fact of the matter is over 17% of our GDP in this nation is purely healthcare related. And do not pretend for a moment that obesity matched with "mind your own business" nonsensical attitudes magically make this all better.

So where is the line, we all do unhealthy things? For that I am not sure.

But what I do know is when the AMA and CDC say north of 20% of all healthcare costs are because of obesity we need to be talking about it and we need to do something to mitigate it. I am not happy paying another 20% just so obese people can be at home, happy, and prideful about it. We had to do this before.... with over processed, filled to the brim with awful chemicals, and horrible production of cigarettes.

This time we have alternatives that could help without having to go so far as we did with cigarettes, food and exercise would do wonders for the 2/3rd of this nation that are in some way overweight and unhealthy. And yes, that impacts us all when we can show over half the nation is costing the rest of us in a plethora of ways.
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Fat rax
 
The acceptance movements in general have been destructive. Even if/where the intent has been noble, the execution invariably fails. Ideally, if you want to work with people and help them to achieve better physical health, you have to start with their emotional state. We have to convert 'buts' to 'ands'. Traditionally, people have a hard time loving themselves and even when they try to convince themselves they do, its a lie. Without quantifying it, I suspect you would find a majority of people (any number over 50%) that do not love or like themselves. That is clearly shown by the number of people that smoke (anything), drink alcohol/eat to excess, or engage in any destructive behaviors. Even when they love themselves the response is invariably...I love myself...but...I could lose weight/get a better job/be a better person...pick a 'but'. Where the 'acceptance movement SHOULD go is "I love myself...AND I could get in better shape." but that would require us to throw off the societal and media influences we have been bombarded with since our earliest childhood. "Shut up, stop crying, grow up, be a man". "You are going to wear that?" "You are too skinny." "You are too short." "You are too fat." "Why cant you be more like ______." The Dove series has some great commercials explaining why things are so out of whack.


What should have been "love yourself...and become more healthy" became perverted to "love yourself...you dont have to change for anyone!" Except...you are going to live your life with health problems and probably die way too early.
 
dex4974 said:
I am tired of their social movement. You can barely use social media anymore without being exposed to it regularly. The movement is unhealthy for society and it's absurd to expect society to build infrastructure to accommodate extreme obesity.

I'll also admit to being generally disgusted by them. It's the physical manifestation of laziness and a lack of discipline. It makes me physically uncomfortable to even see an extremely obese person.

By the way they also inundate healthcare systems all over the world. Any doctor will tell you about the extreme impact caused by obese patients. My own brother works in the medical field and is starting to have back pains at 26 because he has to constantly move enormous people around to help give them treatment. It's a disgusting, harmful lifestyle and society should be louder about that fact.
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Dude, I have NEVER experienced this, "I am tired of their social movement. You can barely use social media anymore without being exposed to it regularly. "

I honestly have no clue what you are talking about.

But yes, I do generally view fat people as lazy and undisciplined... especially when they start talking about their thyroid!

AS to society being loud about the harm in fat, I think we are. I never see fat models and seldom fat celebrates (with the exception of the fat ass Kardashians) and diet advertisements pelt me.

It' s none of my business and I'll drop it but it does not take a psychiatrist to know that your dislike of fat folks is deeper than your posts express.

Peace
 
dex4974 said:
Being fat is not a disability. Fat people can change; the disabled cannot.
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That isn't an answer.

Do disabled people annoy you when they ask for accommodation?
 
noonereal said:
It' s none of my business and I'll drop it but it does not take a psychiatrist to know that your dislike of fat folks is deeper than your posts express.

Peace
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dex4974 said:
She was sending a good message. Focusing on children is a big part of stopping future obesity.
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If cons hadn't been so infected with ODS they could have supported her efforts 10 years ago and today we might even be seeing positive results. But it was "Moochelle" so we've made almost no progress.
 
beefheart said:
That isn't an answer.

Do disabled people annoy you when they ask for accommodation?
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There was an implied answer that you somehow missed.

No.
 
less right said:
If cons hadn't been so infected with ODS they could have supported her efforts 10 years ago and today we might even be seeing positive results. But it was "Moochelle" so we've made almost no progress.
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Partisan politics as usual.
 
Middleground said:
Obesity is certainly a problem in the US and also here in Canada. We should never accept it as normal, and anyone with weight issues should try to strive to be healthier.

Now that I got that out of the way, there area few underlying issues as to why people are fat. This was not a problem in the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s like it is now, so why is it? Is it because people are lazier today than in the past? Is it because people eat more? Is it because people care less?

A kidney doctor from Toronto wrote a book a few years ago because he wondered why he had so many patients with complications from diabetes. Instead of lecturing his patients, he decided to delve into why it's such a problem. His conclusions -- based-on human trial studies and endless research -- is that people are fat because of our overly processed food abundance. Corn is heavily subsidized and you'll find in some form in everything that is processed. People have less time these days to make nice meals and settle for stuff in a package or box. These processed food cause insulin resistance which leads to diabetes and weight gain. So, in essence, laziness, high-fat, high-calorie diets do not cause obesity. Too much insulin causes obesity. Insulin makes you fat. It's so not about calories in and calories out.

I am skeptical by nature so a friend asked me to read it and get my take. Her doctor told her about it because she had gastro surgery many years ago and had been slowly putting on weight every year despite not changing her diet. I relunctantly read it and I must say I was blown away. I think about food and exercise so differently now.
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A super-abundance of food is a modern first-world phenomenon. We have been evolving for millions of years. Throughout most of that it was vital to utilize food to its fullest to prevent starvation. Life was a lot harder. I think we are still wired to desire to eat food as often as possible. Fit people want to overindulge on all of that horrible addictive shit too, but they don't because they have discipline and respect their bodies.
 
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