I am a Suction Machine in an Abortion Clinic

[jfuh]

Then the retards getting the abortion should know the risks. It sounds really stupid to me to risk your own life because you're too lazy to care for a human being that is developing in you.

Yes of course, all those that get an abortion, you're right, they're all retards. I assure you, neither I nor you would ever risk our life over an abortion.
But in your case, what happens to the girl you knocked up. Will you stay by her? Are you going to take care of her for the rest of your life? I highly doubt a horomonally charged kid like you would ever do such a thing. Not to mention the younger girl you've knocked up. It's her body not yours that has to go through the physical and emotional changes.

 

[Donkey1499]

Yes of course, all those that get an abortion, you're right, they're all retards. I assure you, neither I nor you would ever risk our life over an abortion.
But in your case, what happens to the girl you knocked up. Will you stay by her? Are you going to take care of her for the rest of your life? I highly doubt a horomonally charged kid like you would ever do such a thing. Not to mention the younger girl you've knocked up. It's her body not yours that has to go through the physical and emotional changes.

Kid? I'm waitin' till I'm married for your info. BUT, if I did get a girl knocked up (which I'd only do if I really loved her) I'd stick by her and support her the best I could. And if she even thought of getting an abortion then I'd bitch slap her. And I only slap stupid people. So, there you go.

And what's all this "her body" bs? Actually, it's a developing human being inside of her. A completely different entity that relies on her for nutrients. And aren't you supposed to help your fellow man? It's time for people to wise up and mature a little bit. Take responsibility for your actions. Besides, the main point of sex is for reproduction anyway. If you don't want kids, then either keep your legs closed and his pants zipped OR use reliable protection. It's that simple.

 

[steen]

Kid? I'm waitin' till I'm married for your info. BUT, if I did get a girl knocked up (which I'd only do if I really loved her) I'd stick by her and support her the best I could. And if she even thought of getting an abortion then I'd bitch slap her. And I only slap stupid people. So, there you go.

Your propensity for violence and your belief that you own and control her body is duly noted.

 

[jfuh]

Kid? I'm waitin' till I'm married for your info. BUT, if I did get a girl knocked up (which I'd only do if I really loved her) I'd stick by her and support her the best I could. And if she even thought of getting an abortion then I'd bitch slap her. And I only slap stupid people. So, there you go.

A real man aren't you? Bitch slapping the woman that you knocked up?

And what's all this "her body" bs? Actually, it's a developing human being inside of her. A completely different entity that relies on her for nutrients.

Well seeing as cloning is perfectly possible, then by the same standards you need to stop shaving, and cutting your hair as all those cells have the potential to become another human being.

And aren't you supposed to help your fellow man? It's time for people to wise up and mature a little bit. Take responsibility for your actions. Besides, the main point of sex is for reproduction anyway. If you don't want kids, then either keep your legs closed and his pants zipped OR use reliable protection. It's that simple.

Main point of sex is for reproduction? Hmm you'd probably need to stop being such a wanker then.

 

[vergiss]

Kid? I'm waitin' till I'm married for your info. BUT, if I did get a girl knocked up (which I'd only do if I really loved her) I'd stick by her and support her the best I could. And if she even thought of getting an abortion then I'd bitch slap her. And I only slap stupid people. So, there you go.

Gotta love it. An anti-choicer who gets all high and mighty and calls women who get abortions "retards", but considers violence against women to be acceptable.

Misogyny, anyone?

 

[doughgirl]

STeen says, "Gladly.

"Any moron can see that abortion is murder"
"The point of viability constantly keeps changing because of technology,"
"In the last three decades, viability has been reduced from 30 weeks to less than 20 weeks of development."
"We are not even a Christian nation anymore. We used to be but we are not today."
"And those conceived by humans are humans. They are persons."
"Yet in many big hig profile cases in the land, the courts say the unborn is a child and refers to them as such."
"Now viability continues to be pushed further and further back in the pregnancy and is now as early as nineteen weeks"
"The unborn child is a person."
"Saying your pro-abortion speaks for itself. And those who hide behind the label pro-choice.......jsut cant come to terms with what abortion really is. "
"To be pro-choice about abortion is to be pro-abortion."
"Both are willing for children to die by abortion and must take responsibility for the killing of those babies "
"When a woman decides to have an abortion she decides to end the life of her child, the child she carries inside her body"
"The dismemberment of a living child is much different than the amputation of a leg, however gruesome. But then I keep forgetting you think the unborn is nothing."
"Over the past few decades many laws have been enacted specifically aimed towards the unborn. (Those you say are not human)"
"Viability is now considered at about 20 weeks after conception."


These are YOUR OPINIONS. WHERE ARE THE FACTS THE EVIDENCE that they are wrong? You rarely ever site any source. In fact you site none in your discussions. You provide nothing and you know it. Every one of these are your opinion. I site Guttmaucher, BArna..........you site NOTHING.



Steen that quote was from a gallop poll, it was nothing I made up. You want people to believe that that is what I think.........
You are a liar, and you left off that this quote was from a gallop poll it was not MY STATEMENT......your a monster.......and I think people are aware of that.

 

[vergiss]

Why the hell is Steen a monster? He's not a bloody monster. Stop getting so angry because he's winning.

By the way, show us the Gallop poll, and that'll be citing a source.

 

[tecoyah]

Gotta love it. An anti-choicer who gets all high and mighty and calls women who get abortions "retards", but considers violence against women to be acceptable.

Misogyny, anyone?

Come on now....this is fully acceptable behavior....it says so right in his Bible.

 

[MrFungus420]

STeen says, "Gladly.

"Any moron can see that abortion is murder"

Steen, you have to give her this as basically true. Any moron can see it. Reasoning people, on the other hand...

"The point of viability constantly keeps changing because of technology,"
"In the last three decades, viability has been reduced from 30 weeks to less than 20 weeks of development."

The point of viability doesn't change, the point at which we are able to artificially sustain life changes.

"We are not even a Christian nation anymore. We used to be but we are not today."

This country was never a Christian nation. All you need to do is look at the Constitution to see that. There is no mention of God or Christ. The only mention of religion is the guarantee of the Freedom of Religion, which goes directly against the 1st Commandment.

"And those conceived by humans are humans. They are persons."

Not exactly. A fetus isn't a person. There is nothing that can be recognized as a person until after birth.

"Yet in many big hig profile cases in the land, the courts say the unborn is a child and refers to them as such."

Honestly, I can't speak to this. I don't generally read what the courts say, I generally read synopses of cases that interest me.

"Now viability continues to be pushed further and further back in the pregnancy and is now as early as nineteen weeks"

Doing some research, I found several sites the said that this isn't true. One cites a form from a medical center (although, they don't say which one): "Nationwide, most 22 week babies are given hospice care. Very few 22 week babies have survived. Our estimate of the chance of a 22 week baby surviving with intensive care, 10%, really is just an estimate, because we have not yet succeeded in sending a 22 week baby home alive here despite several attempts." (http://hometown.aol.com/dderleth/extreme.html)

"The unborn child is a person."

Again, a fetus is not a person. There is no person until after birth.

"Saying your pro-abortion speaks for itself. And those who hide behind the label pro-choice.......jsut cant come to terms with what abortion really is. "

I don't know if I could call this untruthful, unless it was presented as fact rather than opinion.

"To be pro-choice about abortion is to be pro-abortion."

Patently untrue. I'm pro-choice, but I don't think that abortion is something to which women should aspire. To be pro-choice is simply that, I think that the choice should be there.

"Both are willing for children to die by abortion and must take responsibility for the killing of those babies "
"When a woman decides to have an abortion she decides to end the life of her child, the child she carries inside her body"

Without context, I can't really speak to these points, either.

"The dismemberment of a living child is much different than the amputation of a leg, however gruesome. But then I keep forgetting you think the unborn is nothing."

Nobody here is talking about a child, the discussion is about abortion of a fetus. So, that seems to be, at the very least, disingenuous.

"Over the past few decades many laws have been enacted specifically aimed towards the unborn. (Those you say are not human)"

What are some of these laws? If there are many, then you should have an easy time supplying 5 or 6.

"Viability is now considered at about 20 weeks after conception."

I'll refer back to the point about 22 week prematurely bon baby.

These are YOUR OPINIONS. WHERE ARE THE FACTS THE EVIDENCE that they are wrong? You rarely ever site any source. In fact you site none in your discussions. You provide nothing and you know it. Every one of these are your opinion. I site Guttmaucher, BArna..........you site NOTHING.

There you go, several facts. And a few opinions.

Unless you did it elsewhere, you didn't cite Guttmacher, you mentioned it. And, as for Barna, I would be very reluctant to accept it as an impartial source. I find it difficult to accept a group whose vision is: "To provide leadership and unique, strategic information and resources that help facilitate spiritual transformation in America."

Steen that quote was from a gallop poll, it was nothing I made up. You want people to believe that that is what I think.........

Which Gallup poll?

You are a liar, and you left off that this quote was from a gallop poll it was not MY STATEMENT......your a monster.......and I think people are aware of that.

From what I've seen, Steen tends to be rational, and you tend to be overly emotional, bordering on hysterical.

 

[steen]

Steen says, "Gladly.

"Any moron can see that abortion is murder"
"The point of viability constantly keeps changing because of technology,"
"In the last three decades, viability has been reduced from 30 weeks to less than 20 weeks of development."
"We are not even a Christian nation anymore. We used to be but we are not today."
"And those conceived by humans are humans. They are persons."
"Yet in many big hig profile cases in the land, the courts say the unborn is a child and refers to them as such."
"Now viability continues to be pushed further and further back in the pregnancy and is now as early as nineteen weeks"
"The unborn child is a person."
"Saying your pro-abortion speaks for itself. And those who hide behind the label pro-choice.......jsut cant come to terms with what abortion really is. "
"To be pro-choice about abortion is to be pro-abortion."
"Both are willing for children to die by abortion and must take responsibility for the killing of those babies "
"When a woman decides to have an abortion she decides to end the life of her child, the child she carries inside her body"
"The dismemberment of a living child is much different than the amputation of a leg, however gruesome. But then I keep forgetting you think the unborn is nothing."
"Over the past few decades many laws have been enacted specifically aimed towards the unborn. (Those you say are not human)"
"Viability is now considered at about 20 weeks after conception."


These are YOUR OPINIONS.

No, they are lies.

WHERE ARE THE FACTS THE EVIDENCE that they are wrong?

In the individual replies to the posts where you made those lies. Replies you generally ignore. That this now comes back and bites you because you have been exposed as a liar without ever dealing with the evidence of your lies that is your fault and your problem.

You rarely ever site any source.

fascinating claim, given that I have posted many links and scientific references. Guess you feel that even now the misrepresentation of reality is going to give you credibility?

In fact you site none in your discussions.

Sure I do. You are lying again.

You provide nothing and you know it.

I provide all sorts of links and references and you know it, which makes your claim yet another lie.

Every one of these are your opinion.

Nope, you are lying again.

I site Guttmaucher, BArna..........you site NOTHING.

And you are again lying. Don't you ever get tired of that?

Steen that quote was from a gallop poll, it was nothing I made up.

So you claim. Please reference whatever poll you are talking about so we can see for ourselves and evaluate the questions asked etc.

You want people to believe that that is what I think.........

Rather, if you make scientific claims, better use scientific sources.

You are a liar,

Nope.

and you left off that this quote was from a gallop poll it was not MY STATEMENT......

Which quote are you talking about? There are 15 examples of your lies up there.

your a monster.......and I think people are aware of that.

My, oh my. Just because you are snippy and upset that I actually could demonstrate your lies? How about, instead of unwarranted attacks upon the exposures of your lies, you stop lying instead? Then we won't need to have these kinds of discussion. I am sure that would be more pleasant for both of us.

 

[Donkey1499]

Some more long ass posts.

 

[steen]

Some more long ass posts.

Now, now. This forum DOES require reading at at least a 6th grade level :2razz:

 

[Donkey1499]

Now, now. This forum DOES require reading at at least a 6th grade level :2razz:

Hey you! I'm 7th grade level. J/k. I'm actually college level, AND I'M FROM THE FLORIDA EDUCATION SYSTEM!!! Which says a lot. You'd have to of ived in FL to experience the system. And it ain't perdy!

But just don't have the patience to read such long posts. I read of it and try to answer the half I read. Not very strategic, but oh well.

 

[steen]

Hey you! I'm 7th grade level. J/k. I'm actually college level, AND I'M FROM THE FLORIDA EDUCATION SYSTEM!!! Which says a lot. You'd have to of ived in FL to experience the system. And it ain't perdy!

But just don't have the patience to read such long posts. I read of it and try to answer the half I read. Not very strategic, but oh well.

Well, you do have a point. Slug-out posts do tend to go over the same stuff over and over again.

 

[Donkey1499]

Well, you do have a point. Slug-out posts do tend to go over the same stuff over and over again.

Felicity and Future_Incoming like to post whole books on here, if you haven't noticed yet.

 

[doughgirl]

Steen you said I was the ONLY ONE, who thought the fetus was human a person. Well honey I am not the only one.


Let’s look at what some of the worlds most prominent scientists and physicians have to say about when life starts.

These experts below all testified to a U.S. Senate committee on the beginnings of life. AND YOU SAID I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT THE FETUS WAS A PERSON………………

Dr. Alfred Bongioanni, professor of pediatrics at the University of Pennsylvania.
He said, “I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception. I submit that human life is present throughout this entire sequence from conception to adulthood and that any interruption at any point throughout this time constitutes a termination of human life….I am no more prepared to say that these early stages of development in the womb represents an incomplete human being than I would be to say that prior to the dramatic effects of puberty….is not a human being. This is human life at every stage.”


Dr. Jerome LeJeune, professor of genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris France. (Of course you'd say he wasn’t reliable)
He is the doctor who discovered the chromosome pattern of Down syndrome. He says” after fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being. This is no longer a matter of taste or opinion and not a metaphysical contention; it is plain experimental evidence. Each individual has a very neat beginning at conception.”

Professor Hymie Gordon, Mayo Clinic: “By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.”

Professor Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard University medical School: “It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive….It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception…Our laws, one function of which is to help preserve the lives of our people, should be based on accurate scientific data.”


Dr. Watson A. Bowes, University of Colorado Medical School: “The beginning of single human life is from a biological point of view a simple and straightforward matter-the beginning is conception. This straightforward biological fact should not be distorted to serve sociological, POLITICAL or economic goals.

At this particular Senate hearing, Pro-abortionists though invited to do so, failed to produce even one expert witness who would testify that life did not begin at conception. Shoot they should have called you.......with all your FACTS.....HA HA

Dr. Bernard Nathanson the internationally known OB, who was a cofounder of what is now known as NARAL. Once owned the biggest abortion clinic in the Western Hemisphere and participated in over 60,000 abortions.
He studied fetology and the use of the ultrasound to observe the unborn child in the womb. This work led him to a new conclusion that he had participated in 60,000 wrongful deaths. Read his articles in the New England Journal of medicine.

Isn’t it ironic that those who endorse this killing like you Steen……….. label those who oppose it like me as cruel? Usually it’s hard to fathom this level of pro-choice cruelty that some have towards precious children, then turn around and say they are pro-life. But not you Steen, you’re proud to stand up and say they should ALL be slaughtered, EVEN UP UNTIL THE TIME OF DELIVERY. If that aint a monster I don’t know what is?

PATHETIC..

AND YOU SAID I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT THE FETUS WAS A PERSON……………That shows how much you know about this issue. :roll:

 

[Donkey1499]

Another long ass post. Sorry, but I had to say it.

 

[steen]

Steen you said I was the ONLY ONE, who thought the fetus was human a person.

Really? Where did I say that? Are you seeing things that are not there again?

Let’s look at what some of the worlds most prominent scientists and physicians have to say about when life starts.[/B]

These experts below all testified to a U.S. Senate committee on the beginnings of life.

Ah, political propaganda, not peer-reviewed. SO they are not expressing scientific facts.

AND YOU SAID I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT THE FETUS WAS A PERSON………………

You keep claiming that. Where was that, again?

Isn’t it ironic that those who endorse this killing like you Steen……….. label those who oppose it like me as cruel? Usually it’s hard to fathom this level of pro-choice cruelty that some have towards precious children, then turn around and say they are pro-life. But not you Steen, you’re proud to stand up and say they should ALL be slaughtered, EVEN UP UNTIL THE TIME OF DELIVERY. If that aint a monster I don’t know what is?

Your ad hominem is duly noted. You always was a hate mongering loon.

 

[vergiss]

I'm willing to bet my wages he meant the only person in this thread, actually. But I know you enjoy that persecution complex, doughgirl.

Between 40 - and 60 percent of fetilised zygotes don't even implant in the lining of the uterus and are miscarried. So I suppose that's a lot of naturally dead babies, huh?

 

[doughgirl]

You say I never provide links or websites that everythign I say are lies........here ya go.........most these I have used to post comments on here. In fact the quote you use at the bottom of your all your posts that you say was my opinion.......was indeed a quote from a gallop poll.........that shows what a fraud you are.


“Since 90% of pre-1973 illegal abortions were done by doctors, it’s safe to assume many physicians would continue to give abortions.”
From the book, “Pro-life Answers to Pro-choice Questions,” by Randy Alcorn
173.

Of course you would deny this one.

“For decades prior to abortion being legalized in the United States around 85% of illegal abortions were done by reputable doctors in their local clinics.”
(Alfred Kinsey, Abortion Questions and Answers (Cincinnati, Ohio: Hayes Publishing
Co., 1988), 169.

And this one......


In 1960, Planned Parenthood stated that 90% of all illegal abortions are presently done by physicians.”
Mary Calderone, Illegal Abortion as a Public Health Problem,” American Journal of Health 50 (July 1960): 949

Even PP admitted it, but you deny it.


“Research confirms that the actual number of abortion deaths in the 25 year prior to 1973 averaged 250 a year, with a high of 388 in 1948.”
In 1966 before the state legalized abortion, 120 mothers died from abortion.
By 1972, abortion was still illegal in 80% of the country but the use of antibiotics had greatly reduced the risk. The number dropped to 39 maternal deaths from abortion that year.” (U.S Bureau of Vital Statistics)


Think the saline abortion is painful? Do you know where this was originally developed? The concentration camps of Nazi Germany. (Thomas Hilgers and Dennis Horans, eds, Abortion and Social Justice (New York: Sheed & Ward, 1972), 292.)

Of course you dont think its painful and you would probably say who cares anyway........remember they arent human, not until they are born that is.

In Arizona, the E.R Squibb Drug Company offered $10,000 to 14 pregnant woman if they would take a certain drug before having an abortion and let their babies blood be tested after they killed it. (Arizona Republic, 26 March 1981)

That one must excite you, one you'd want to watch I'm sure.


Gianna Jessens biological mother had a saline abortion in a southern California abortion clinic. She was severely burned and traumatized but managed to survive. Her medical records read Saline Abortion survivor. She is a grown woman today and travels around talking about abortion. Ask her what side is the cruel one. (Tom Ehart, “She was an aborted Baby and Lived,” Brio, April 1992, 14-7.)

You probably think it was cruel that she ended up living.


HUMAN EMBRYOLOGY, by Dr. Bradley M. Patten.
He states, "It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermaozoan and the resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual."

Dr. Keith Moore's text on embryology, referring to the single-cell zygote says, "The cell results from fertilization of an oocyte by a sperm and is the beginning of a human being. He also states, "Each of us stated life as a cell called a zygote."
Dr. Keith Moore, the Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 2d ed. (Philadelphia, Penn)

J.P. Greenhill and E.A. Friedman, Biological Principles and Modern Practice of Obstetrics (New York : McGraw Hill) In their work on biology and obstetrics, state, “The zygote thus formed represents the beginning of a new life.”


Dr. Louis Fridhandler, in the medical textbook “Gametogenesis to Implantation Biology of Gestation,” vol.1, ed. N.S. Assau (New York: Academic Press) refers to fertilization as “that wondrous moment that marks the beginning of life for a new unique individual.”

Doctors, E.L. Potter and J.M Craig write in Pathology of the Fetus and the Infant, 3d ed. (Chicago: Year Book Medical Publishers) “Every time a sperm cell and ovum unite a new being is created which is alive and will continue to live unless its death is brought about by some specific condition.”
Popular science reference works reflect this same understanding of when human life really begins.


Time and Rand McNally’s Atlas of the Body states, “In fusing together, the male and female gametes produce a fertilized single cell, the zygote, which is the start of a new individual.”


The Encyclopedia Britannica says, “A new individual is created when the elements of a potent sperm merge with those of a fertile ovum, or egg.”

These are not from religious sources. Every one is from a secular source based on SCIENTIFIC AND MEDICAL FACTS.

WOULD YOU LIKE MORE???????????????????????? :lol:

 

[steen]

Yadda, yadda, yadda. What a load of irrelevant crap. Your drawing false analogies and misrepresenting science doesn't make you right.

 

[Donkey1499]

Really? Where did I say that? Are you seeing things that are not there again?
Ah, political propaganda, not peer-reviewed. SO they are not expressing scientific facts.
You keep claiming that. Where was that, again?
Your ad hominem is duly noted. You always was a hate mongering loon.

Hmm... In response to dough_girl (using your response, Steen. Cuz it's shorter) I didn't know that because one group of scientists says something, the other group has to agree. But really I could care less, they're all nerds anyhow. lol

 

[Donkey1499]

You say I never provide links or websites that everythign I say are lies........here ya go.........most these I have used to post comments on here. In fact the quote you use at the bottom of your all your posts that you say was my opinion.......was indeed a quote from a gallop poll.........that shows what a fraud you are.


“Since 90% of pre-1973 illegal abortions were done by doctors, it’s safe to assume many physicians would continue to give abortions.”
From the book, “Pro-life Answers to Pro-choice Questions,” by Randy Alcorn
173.

Of course you would deny this one.

“For decades prior to abortion being legalized in the United States around 85% of illegal abortions were done by reputable doctors in their local clinics.”
(Alfred Kinsey, Abortion Questions and Answers (Cincinnati, Ohio: Hayes Publishing
Co., 1988), 169.

And this one......


In 1960, Planned Parenthood stated that 90% of all illegal abortions are presently done by physicians.”
Mary Calderone, Illegal Abortion as a Public Health Problem,” American Journal of Health 50 (July 1960): 949

Even PP admitted it, but you deny it.


“Research confirms that the actual number of abortion deaths in the 25 year prior to 1973 averaged 250 a year, with a high of 388 in 1948.”
In 1966 before the state legalized abortion, 120 mothers died from abortion.
By 1972, abortion was still illegal in 80% of the country but the use of antibiotics had greatly reduced the risk. The number dropped to 39 maternal deaths from abortion that year.” (U.S Bureau of Vital Statistics)


Think the saline abortion is painful? Do you know where this was originally developed? The concentration camps of Nazi Germany. (Thomas Hilgers and Dennis Horans, eds, Abortion and Social Justice (New York: Sheed & Ward, 1972), 292.)

Of course you dont think its painful and you would probably say who cares anyway........remember they arent human, not until they are born that is.

In Arizona, the E.R Squibb Drug Company offered $10,000 to 14 pregnant woman if they would take a certain drug before having an abortion and let their babies blood be tested after they killed it. (Arizona Republic, 26 March 1981)

That one must excite you, one you'd want to watch I'm sure.


Gianna Jessens biological mother had a saline abortion in a southern California abortion clinic. She was severely burned and traumatized but managed to survive. Her medical records read Saline Abortion survivor. She is a grown woman today and travels around talking about abortion. Ask her what side is the cruel one. (Tom Ehart, “She was an aborted Baby and Lived,” Brio, April 1992, 14-7.)

You probably think it was cruel that she ended up living.


HUMAN EMBRYOLOGY, by Dr. Bradley M. Patten.
He states, "It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermaozoan and the resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual."

Dr. Keith Moore's text on embryology, referring to the single-cell zygote says, "The cell results from fertilization of an oocyte by a sperm and is the beginning of a human being. He also states, "Each of us stated life as a cell called a zygote."
Dr. Keith Moore, the Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 2d ed. (Philadelphia, Penn)

J.P. Greenhill and E.A. Friedman, Biological Principles and Modern Practice of Obstetrics (New York : McGraw Hill) In their work on biology and obstetrics, state, “The zygote thus formed represents the beginning of a new life.”


Dr. Louis Fridhandler, in the medical textbook “Gametogenesis to Implantation Biology of Gestation,” vol.1, ed. N.S. Assau (New York: Academic Press) refers to fertilization as “that wondrous moment that marks the beginning of life for a new unique individual.”

Doctors, E.L. Potter and J.M Craig write in Pathology of the Fetus and the Infant, 3d ed. (Chicago: Year Book Medical Publishers) “Every time a sperm cell and ovum unite a new being is created which is alive and will continue to live unless its death is brought about by some specific condition.”
Popular science reference works reflect this same understanding of when human life really begins.


Time and Rand McNally’s Atlas of the Body states, “In fusing together, the male and female gametes produce a fertilized single cell, the zygote, which is the start of a new individual.”


The Encyclopedia Britannica says, “A new individual is created when the elements of a potent sperm merge with those of a fertile ovum, or egg.”

These are not from religious sources. Every one is from a secular source based on SCIENTIFIC AND MEDICAL FACTS.

WOULD YOU LIKE MORE???????????????????????? :lol:

I saw on the O'Reilly Factor that New York State has the most abortions every year. And most of the NY State abortions happen in NYC. So my point to you is, are most New Yorkers murderers? I admit that I'm appalled by those numbers, but I just want your input on this.

 

[jfuh]

I saw on the O'Reilly Factor that New York State has the most abortions every year. And most of the NY State abortions happen in NYC. So my point to you is, are most New Yorkers murderers? I admit that I'm appalled by those numbers, but I just want your input on this.

Very typical of anti-abortionist.....
Since when has the O'Reilly factor been a good source for anything? Manipulating data around and all.

 

[jfuh]

You say I never provide links or websites that everythign I say are lies........here ya go.........most these I have used to post comments on here. In fact the quote you use at the bottom of your all your posts that you say was my opinion.......was indeed a quote from a gallop poll.........that shows what a fraud you are.


“Since 90% of pre-1973 illegal abortions were done by doctors, it’s safe to assume many physicians would continue to give abortions.”
From the book, “Pro-life Answers to Pro-choice Questions,” by Randy Alcorn
173.

Of course you would deny this one.

“For decades prior to abortion being legalized in the United States around 85% of illegal abortions were done by reputable doctors in their local clinics.”
(Alfred Kinsey, Abortion Questions and Answers (Cincinnati, Ohio: Hayes Publishing
Co., 1988), 169.

And this one......


In 1960, Planned Parenthood stated that 90% of all illegal abortions are presently done by physicians.”
Mary Calderone, Illegal Abortion as a Public Health Problem,” American Journal of Health 50 (July 1960): 949

Even PP admitted it, but you deny it.


“Research confirms that the actual number of abortion deaths in the 25 year prior to 1973 averaged 250 a year, with a high of 388 in 1948.”
In 1966 before the state legalized abortion, 120 mothers died from abortion.
By 1972, abortion was still illegal in 80% of the country but the use of antibiotics had greatly reduced the risk. The number dropped to 39 maternal deaths from abortion that year.” (U.S Bureau of Vital Statistics)


Think the saline abortion is painful? Do you know where this was originally developed? The concentration camps of Nazi Germany. (Thomas Hilgers and Dennis Horans, eds, Abortion and Social Justice (New York: Sheed & Ward, 1972), 292.)

Of course you dont think its painful and you would probably say who cares anyway........remember they arent human, not until they are born that is.

In Arizona, the E.R Squibb Drug Company offered $10,000 to 14 pregnant woman if they would take a certain drug before having an abortion and let their babies blood be tested after they killed it. (Arizona Republic, 26 March 1981)

That one must excite you, one you'd want to watch I'm sure.


Gianna Jessens biological mother had a saline abortion in a southern California abortion clinic. She was severely burned and traumatized but managed to survive. Her medical records read Saline Abortion survivor. She is a grown woman today and travels around talking about abortion. Ask her what side is the cruel one. (Tom Ehart, “She was an aborted Baby and Lived,” Brio, April 1992, 14-7.)

You probably think it was cruel that she ended up living.


HUMAN EMBRYOLOGY, by Dr. Bradley M. Patten.
He states, "It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermaozoan and the resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual."

Dr. Keith Moore's text on embryology, referring to the single-cell zygote says, "The cell results from fertilization of an oocyte by a sperm and is the beginning of a human being. He also states, "Each of us stated life as a cell called a zygote."
Dr. Keith Moore, the Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 2d ed. (Philadelphia, Penn)

J.P. Greenhill and E.A. Friedman, Biological Principles and Modern Practice of Obstetrics (New York : McGraw Hill) In their work on biology and obstetrics, state, “The zygote thus formed represents the beginning of a new life.”


Dr. Louis Fridhandler, in the medical textbook “Gametogenesis to Implantation Biology of Gestation,” vol.1, ed. N.S. Assau (New York: Academic Press) refers to fertilization as “that wondrous moment that marks the beginning of life for a new unique individual.”

Doctors, E.L. Potter and J.M Craig write in Pathology of the Fetus and the Infant, 3d ed. (Chicago: Year Book Medical Publishers) “Every time a sperm cell and ovum unite a new being is created which is alive and will continue to live unless its death is brought about by some specific condition.”
Popular science reference works reflect this same understanding of when human life really begins.


Time and Rand McNally’s Atlas of the Body states, “In fusing together, the male and female gametes produce a fertilized single cell, the zygote, which is the start of a new individual.”


The Encyclopedia Britannica says, “A new individual is created when the elements of a potent sperm merge with those of a fertile ovum, or egg.”

These are not from religious sources. Every one is from a secular source based on SCIENTIFIC AND MEDICAL FACTS.

WOULD YOU LIKE MORE???????????????????????? :lol:

Really hate to tell you this, but all those sources are opinionated non-peer reviewed literacy. That's it, not science. They use specific numbers only to support thier viewpoint. Scientific articals are completely unbiased. You would not know what the author is trying to tell you of right or wrong except for hey, here're some figures, now go make your own decision of how to use it.