hypothetical election

I'm following up on the Ron Paul poll

Clinton wins the democratic primary

Ron Paul wins the republican primary (yes I know it's not going to happen)

so who do you vote for?

1 Clinton - no doubt about it

2 I tend to vote Liberal - but would go with Paul in this case

3 I tend to vote liberal - I will vote for a third party candidate this time.

4 Ron Paul - no doubt about it

5 I tend to vote republican - but would go with Clinton in this case

6 I tend to vote republican - but would go with a third party candidate

7 I usually vote for a third party candidate and will again.

Definitely Clinton in that match-up. She might be a good president, she might not. I don't know. But I do think that Ron Paul would be absolutely awful. In addition to the objections I listed in the other thread, he simply doesn't have any qualifications to be president. It's true that Hillary doesn't have any direct executive experience either, but when you're in the White House for 8 years and in the Governor's Mansion for 12 years, you're bound to pick up some experience.

This country doesn't need an extremist like Ron Paul in the White House. Sensible policies with at least SOME degree of public support are better.

Ron Paul all the way, a real Barry Goldwater conservative!

After his interview on Bill Maher, I was sold.

Thanks for all who have voted but to perfectrly honest - I am really wanting to know what the neo-cons would do under such a scenario.

Kandahar likely would vote for the democratic party regardless of the opposition. I always vote for a real conservative - so my vote normally goes third party.

It's the neo cons that don't have their ideology represented under such an election and I want to know how they would lean.

ARealConservative said:

Thanks for all who have voted but to perfectrly honest - I am really wanting to know what the neo-cons would do under such a scenario.

Kandahar likely would vote for the democratic party regardless of the opposition. I always vote for a real conservative - so my vote normally goes third party.

It's the neo cons that don't have their ideology represented under such an election and I want to know how they would lean.

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Certainly not for a pro-constitution, small government type. Neo-con's are just pissed off socialists anyways, why do you care what they think?

ARealConservative said:

Kandahar likely would vote for the democratic party regardless of the opposition.

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In this coming election, that is probably true, although I try not to make that a general rule. If we weren't in such a mess in Iraq, I could see some circumstances where I might vote for a Republican like Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney...especially if the Democrats nominated someone I didn't like.

Kandahar said:

In this coming election, that is probably true, although I try not to make that a general rule. If we weren't in such a mess in Iraq, I could see some circumstances where I might vote for a Republican like Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney...especially if the Democrats nominated someone I didn't like.

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I apologize. After reading your stuff I came to my own conclusion. I hate to put words in anyones mouth. In hindsight all your words have been under a Bush presidency - so my impression has been tainted.

Lachean said:

Certainly not for a pro-constitution, small government type. Neo-con's are just pissed off socialists anyways, why do you care what they think?

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ummm..... they currently control the republican party and I want my voice back. So I'm curious what they would do if they had a choice between a liberal and a real conservative.

I tend to vote Democrat but there is not option for that.

ARealConservative said:

ummm..... they currently control the republican party and I want my voice back.

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Oh I see, in all my bashing I must have forgotten to mention that I could care less what comes of the Republican party. Those cowards deserve the status quo.

ARealConservative said:

So I'm curious what they would do if they had a choice between a liberal and a real conservative.

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I would put my money on neo-con's picking a liberal over a true conservative.

Like I said, they're just a bunch of pissed off socialists. Its not much of a stretch to go from liberal ideas to socialism. A true conservative however could never say anything that would sound appealing to a Neo-con.

Gibberish said:

I tend to vote Democrat but there is not option for that.

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I don't understand the confusion.


"Clinton - no doubt about it" is obviously your choice.

I would definately vote for Ron Paul. He wouldn't be the first stubborn president we've had, in fact I think that's a virtue in a President. The more the branches of the government fight each other the less time they will have to trample on individual rights.

ARealConservative said:

I don't understand the confusion.

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I vote democrat usually. I guess the confusion is you are comparing a political ideology to a political party. There can be Liberal Republicans (which would be close to moderate democrat). It's like asking "Do you vote conservative or democrat?" Well what if I am a conservative democrat? I vote both.

"Clinton - no doubt about it"
- But there are doubts about it.

"I tend to vote Liberal - but would go with Paul in this case"
- I don't tend to vote liberal, I vote more moderate democrat.

"I tend to vote liberal - I will vote for a third party candidate this time."
- See above.

"Ron Paul - no doubt about it"
- There are doubts

"I tend to vote republican - but would go with Clinton in this case"
- I tend to vote democrat but I have voted republican at times.

"I tend to vote republican - but would go with a third party candidate"
- See above

"I usually vote for a third party candidate and will again."
- Rarely vote for third party.

How about none of the above? I don't want either of them anywhere near the Oval Office.

Cephus said:

How about none of the above? I don't want either of them anywhere near the Oval Office.

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"Hypothetical"...

RightOfCenter said:

"Hypothetical"...

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Hypothetically, I'd rather see the country nuked out of existence than see either of these losers anywhere near the Oval Office.

Gibberish said:

I vote democrat usually. I guess the confusion is you are comparing a political ideology to a political party. There can be Liberal Republicans (which would be close to moderate democrat). It's like asking "Do you vote conservative or democrat?" Well what if I am a conservative democrat? I vote both.

"Clinton - no doubt about it"
- But there are doubts about it.

"I tend to vote Liberal - but would go with Paul in this case"
- I don't tend to vote liberal, I vote more moderate democrat.

"I tend to vote liberal - I will vote for a third party candidate this time."
- See above.

"Ron Paul - no doubt about it"
- There are doubts

"I tend to vote republican - but would go with Clinton in this case"
- I tend to vote democrat but I have voted republican at times.

"I tend to vote republican - but would go with a third party candidate"
- See above

"I usually vote for a third party candidate and will again."
- Rarely vote for third party.

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geesh.

for anybody else who makes it this far - I know it is semantically wrong - I didn't catch it. This isn't a Navy Pride or PTS poll. Every possible answer is available without some sort of hidden jab in the responses. When you come across liberal - it should of read democrat. Apparently Navy PRide has a bigger inmpact then I thought. :roll:

Cephus said:

How about none of the above? I don't want either of them anywhere near the Oval Office.

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If you would likely opt out of voting in such a hypothetical election - a non response to the poll thread would be acceptable.

Gibberish said:

I tend to vote Democrat but there is not option for that.

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What do you call Hillary?

Thank God those will not be our choices at least on the Republican side

I dunno. I've only just heard about Ron Paul, and just looked at his voting record.

I don't like the way he voted on gun, abortion, or gay issues.

Clinton on the other hand, while she shares my view on abortion and gay rights... she's a socialist who thinks the government should be a nanny-state.

I guess I would lean toward Ron Paul, in the given situation, since he appears to be for smaller government and Clinton does not.

rivrrat said:

I dunno. I've only just heard about Ron Paul, and just looked at his voting record.

I don't like the way he voted on gun, abortion, or gay issues.

Clinton on the other hand, while she shares my view on abortion and gay rights... she's a socialist who thinks the government should be a nanny-state.

I guess I would lean toward Ron Paul, in the given situation, since he appears to be for smaller government and Clinton does not.

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His votes on gun, abortion, and gay issues are based on smaller government views. Those issues all need to be decided by the states.

Lachean said:

Ron Paul all the way, a real Barry Goldwater conservative!

After his interview on Bill Maher, I was sold.

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When was this? I missed an episode of Bill Maher? :shock:

ARealConservative said:

His votes on gun, abortion, and gay issues are based on smaller government views. Those issues all need to be decided by the states.

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That isn't what I what I saw, but the way the things are presented on the site I go to can sometimes be confusing. I admittedly only gave the list a cursory glance over, and didn't read the specifics of each bill voted on. I saw he voted against stem cell research, and there was something regarding abortion I didn't like. And he voted to ban gay adoption in DC (which is decidedly NOT smaller government).

And his votes regarding gun control were on the side of the litigious. Meaning, he feels it's okay to sue gun makers when someone 'misuses' their guns. I find this appalling and it certainly goes against the grain of personal responsibility.

While those few issues in and of themselves are not HUGE, they speak to a particular mindset that I cannot agree with.

It's a matter of deciding which issues I feel I can risk with a certain candidate, and which I cannot. There are certain issues that I would never, ever vote for a candidate who both didn't share my view and was hell bent on changing laws. (such as abortion and gun rights)

And then there are issues where we may disagree, but the candidate is not passionate about changing things in a manner that I would find disasteful.

Clinton is a socialist. That type of government is one I will not allow - as a voter. I don't care what her stances are on ANYTHING else, she has the attitude of a nanny-state socialist and I will not vote that into office.

Ron Paul seems to disagree with my 'worldview' on a couple of issues, but he doesn't seem to be what I would call passionate about affecting change on those issues we disagree on. On the bulk of the issues, we seem to be in agreement, and he appears to be for smaller government. That is best, IMO. That is the better of the two choices (which is basically what it boils down to when you place Clinton and Paul side by side) I can deal with the social issues as they come, as long as the government involvement is kept at bay on most matters.

rivrrat said:

When was this? I missed an episode of Bill Maher? :shock:

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Yep, the most recent one, check On Demand if you have it; Or Watch THIS!

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebsXKiH0f68[/YOUTUBE]

Well up until now I didn't know much about Ron Paul, but given the options here. Ron Paul over Hilary.

I am not sure what another candidate would have to do to get me to vote for Hilary. Socialism strangles the human spirit if you ask me.......