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Hypothetical - Criminal Investigation

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Hypothetically, a crime happens. There are 10 different potential criminals.

Which choice do you make:

A) Investigate the suspects to determine who did the crime

OR

B) Pick the criminal you think did it, do absolutely no investigative work and throw that suspect in jail

Take your pick.
 
What is the point of this thread?
 
I'm examining the inherently illogical beliefs that some people here hold.

Well I, for one, am in favor of the Sixth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
 
I'm examining the inherently illogical beliefs that some people here hold.

How can you investigate when the question only conceptually allows for any half rational person to take the first choice? :shrug:
 
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Let's wait for the punch line. I hope it comes soon.
 
It is obvious (pun intended) to me that there was no point in making this question into a poll.

The poll is obviously designed and worded to prevent all but the most oblivious from choosing anything except option A, thus invalidating it as even a unscientific poll, IMO.

Please get to the point, as your actual point is obviously not contained in the poll questions.
 
No problem.

Replace Crime with "increased tax revenue and economic activity." Now replace the suspected criminals with a huge number of economic events.

Do you assume which one you want to have caused the increased activity to be true, or do you apply staistical methods and models to determine which caused it?

If you are Apdst, Zimmer or Conservative, you go with the first idea. You assume what you want to be true and do no actual work, the same thing as choosing which suspect you think did it and never do any investigative work.

Is that logical? Absolutely not. We don't assume which suspect we want to be guilty is guilty, so why do some people assume which factor they want to be true is true?
 
Why are you banging your head against a wall for them?
 
No problem.

Replace Crime with "increased tax revenue and economic activity." Now replace the suspected criminals with a huge number of economic events.

Do you assume which one you want to have caused the increased activity to be true, or do you apply staistical methods and models to determine which caused it?

If you are Apdst, Zimmer or Conservative, you go with the first idea. You assume what you want to be true and do no actual work, the same thing as choosing which suspect you think did it and never do any investigative work.

Is that logical? Absolutely not. We don't assume which suspect we want to be guilty is guilty, so why do some people assume which factor they want to be true is true?
If that's your question, why the hell did you ask a completely different one?
 
Hypothetically, a crime happens. There are 10 different potential criminals.

Take your pick.

A. But, why is there a poll about this. Surely, everybody would pick A.
 
A. But, why is there a poll about this. Surely, everybody would pick A.
Read the thread.

The question he really wanted to ask wasn't even in the poll.
 
If that's your question, why the hell did you ask a completely different one?

Simple. I was able to replace key parts of the question with completely out of the blue subjects but retained the exact same principle thinking behind them. The obvious choice for this poll is to investigate. Except the same logic doesn't hold for some people when it comes to functionally the same thinking on another topic. It is a logical inconsistency to treat functionally the same thinking process differently on two subjects that have the same underlying logic.

We obviously investigate who did it. But some people here on some topics just pick what factor they want to be true rather then actually figure out if it caused the outcome. Here crime and say, economic activity are the outcomes. The suspects are the same as various economic events. Why would we treat our thinking behind them any differently? But some people here do and treat those who actually want to investigate with utter contempt. Now the real question is why do they flip their thinking when the underlying logic is identical?
 
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Simple. I was able to replace key parts of the question with completely out of the blue subjects but retained the exact same principle thinking behind them. The obvious choice for this poll is to investigate. Except the same logic doesn't hold for some people when it comes to functionally the same thinking on another topic. It is a logical inconsistency to treat functionally the same thinking process differently on two subjects that have the same underlying logic.

We obviously investigate who did it. But some people here on some topics just pick what factor they want to be true rather than actually figure out if it caused the outcome. Here crime and say, economic activity are the outcomes. The suspects are the same as various economic events. Why would we treat our thinking behind them any differently? But some people here do and treat those who actually want to investigate with utter contempt. Now the real question is why do they flip their thinking when the underlying logic is identical?
An entirely valid point, but...

You could simply have laid out the comparison in your OP, asked the poll question more directly, and achieved much the same result - but without confusing people, or making them wonder why you were taking such a roundabout route.
 
An entirely valid point, but...

You could simply have laid out the comparison in your OP, asked the poll question more directly, and achieved much the same result - but without confusing people, or making them wonder why you were taking such a roundabout route.

Not really. Well, maybe now. The people I generally try to catch know that something's fishy. I sometimes try to ge them to vote first before springing the trap to show how they are logically inconsistent. But they usually just run away. So you do have a good point.
 
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