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The Real McCoy said:I certainly can't speak for all advocates of the "Survival of the fittest" mentality but why do most of them cry foul over the European conquest of Native Americans? Is that not survival of the fittest in it's true form?
Technocratic_Utilitarian said:Let me ask first: before anyone starts discussing this. What do YOU think survival of the fittest means in terms of evolution and darwin's theory? Don't look it up: tell me from your own perspective.
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I will give you a hint: SoF is a consequence of natural selection: it is neither "ethical" nor does deal with the fittest being the biggest, baddest mofuka on the block. It has to do with....duction success only. The fill in the blanks.
Technocratic_Utilitarian said:What you describe is social darwinism, which isn't the same thing as evolution or darwin's theory. It is an unethical application of a distorted mechanism.
I see no difference in SoF whether it be the extinction of a species at the hands of environmental change or the extinction of the Aztecs at the hands of superior conquistador technology, it's still survival of the fittest.
But since the human race is a product of evolution just like any other animal (according to Darwinists) then is the rise and fall of peoples not a result of natural selection? In my eyes, Social Darwinism is Darwin's theory with regards to the anomaly of humans in the animal kingdom.
Technocratic_Utilitarian said:You didn't answer the question: what is SoF?
Technocratic_Utilitarian said:Yes. Humans are a product of evolution like any other animal. However, the rise and fall of "people's is a misnomer, since we are all the same "people." There is only one race: the human race. This race is made up of various populations.
Technocratic_Utilitarian said:Then you should have no problem answering it: do it.
I"m really not sure how to explain it any better. Survival of the fittest is the survival of the most fit? Seriously, what are you looking for?
What about when 2 males of the same species fight to the death for the right to mate with the female? I see this as a parallel to war in human history and another example of SoF.
The Real McCoy said:I certainly can't speak for all advocates of the "Survival of the fittest" mentality but why do most of them cry foul over the European conquest of Native Americans? Is that not survival of the fittest in it's true form?
OnionCollection said:Why do most advocates of gravity refrain from jumping off cliffs? Is that not gravity in it's true form?
HU-210 said:First and foremost, my social darwinism and libertarianism does not find its origin in darwinism. I do not seek the extension of freedom because I believe individuals should sort each other out, and those who can reproduce survive. I believe in social darwinism and libertarianism because in the limited time we spend here on this Earth, I do not believe I, or anyone else has any right telling you what to do. Thus, I believe people should be left to their peace, and they can than form their own institutions with which they choose to deal with problems.
Now, the indians being murdered on a massive scale, in some perspective can be seen as the darwinism, but merely because it is an extension of darwinistic instinct. In that view, everything is an extension, and everything is darwinistic. Darwin believed man created a compassionate society to ensure his own protection.
Now, when a nation first murders a whole lotta people, and than established that nation with principles of "You shall not murder", with principles of christian compassion, that's a bid odd. Frankly, one might even speak of hypocrisy if you want to stretch the word. What is certain, is that it is a touchy subject, worthy of discussion, not stigmatising each other as hypocrites, I would think.
Mr U
Particularly since "Darwinists" is a downright silly term. As best I can imagine, it woudl refer to epople who look to Darwin's orginal hypothesis rather than the actual Scientific Theory of Evolution.The Real McCoy said:Then perhaps I should direct my initial question to "Social Darwinists" rather than simply "Darwinists."
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