Let's try this one more time.....perhaps it will finally sink in.
doughgirl said:
I am saying that the majority of the woman getting abortions do not know the facts.
But amazingly enough, most of them know enough to realize that they don't want a baby yet, or this particular baby for whatever reason, and realize that they don't want to carry a pregnancy to term, only to hand the baby off to someone else.
They are not educated about fetal development. I have counseled and talked to scores of woman who have no clue to what medical science says about the development of the child they carry.
And even those that do know, if they're planning an abortion, odds are, it doesn't faze them a bit.
Even pregnant woman are not aware of what the fetus can do at each trimester.
Funny, because every woman I've known that's been pregnant (and that's been just about every woman I've known over the past couple of years) has read and reserached everything she can to find out what's going on with, and inside of, her body. But hey, they all wanted their babies.
Good land what a sad situation.
What, the fact that my sister in law has had three abortions, doesn't have custody of her sons, and will probably immediately lose custody of her daughter? Yeah, it is sad, but some people aren't fit to be parents. Some people in this world are just too selfish to care for another human being.
Well who is the one who actually kills the child? Who inserts the vacuum? Who is the one who dismembers or burns the fetus?
And that matters.....how, to our discussion? We're talking about the woman's choice, not the doctors that perform the procedure.
Whoop de do? Wow what a comment about two lives so tragically taken.
Sorry, but sad as it may be, I find it really hard to truly care about people I didn't know.
Lacis life and her childs life was taken away by a husband who premeditated their deaths. Nevertheless, Connor was in the courts eyes a person……..or they would not have found Scott guilty of two murders.
And of course, even though multiple people have mentioned this, you refuse to consider the fact that maybe they recognized the fact that Laci's choice was taken away. Just like when someone harms a pregnant woman and causes her to miscarry...a lot of courts will rule that as murder, because the woman's choice on what to do with the fetus is taken away.
You are pro-death; you said it, I did not.
No, I didn't.
“Everyone should die”……….probably so, especially those who value life.
Ever heard of a little thing called sarcasm? I was trying to point out how ridiculous your label is.
Apparently, you've never heard of Jim Jones.
You want this BABY. BABY? It’s a baby?
Yes. *sigh*....we've been over this before. Repeating myself is getting tiresome.
Wow, I didn’t think your camp thought so?
My camp? Oh, what, you mean the pro choice crowd? Well, in that case.....Medically speaking, no, it's not a baby. However, Since I actually want this baby, yeah, it's a baby to me. It'd be kinda stupid for me to talk about my embryo and fetus to everyone.
Not like it really matters to you, but 6 weeks.
So it’s in the mothers mind to what it medically is?
Not medically....personally.
If she thinks it a baby it is, if she doesn’t think it’s a baby it isn’t?
Nope. Medically, it is still an embryo or fetus or any other medical terminology you can come up with. Personally, it's either a baby or....a "thing", depending on if you wanted this pregnancy.
You don’t think of it as a fetus eh? Or a clump of cells?
No, because I'm not a doctor, nor am I considering an abortion. This pregnancy wasn't "planned", per se, but it is very much wanted.
I dare the pro-abortion crowd to make comment on this little comment. Ha ha
Well, first you'd have to find a pro abortion crowd.
Hey Steen tell Stace here that she is deluded like you tell us. Tell her the thing inside here isn’t really a baby.
I bet not one of you will comment.
So nice of you to try and use my pregnancy to suit your own twisted purposes. Nice of you to try and turn something that is a wonderful experience for myself and my husband into a mockery.
Well lets put it this way……..for a convicted man who was sentenced to death row, he showed no signs of any emotion when the verdict was read.
And your point is?
In fact he showed no emotion except a few crocodile tears in the beginning……..Now stace if you were just convicted of a crime you did not commit, wouldn’t you have shouted out.. I am innocent or done soemthing? Wouldn’t you have taken a lie detector test? Wouldn’t you have done just about anything to prove your innocence?
Hmmm....something tells me that he probably took a lie detector test, otherwise known as a polygraph, sometime after he was arrested but before the trial. But guess what? Even polygraphs aren't 100% fool proof.
If he had started shouting, he would have risked being held in contempt. Yeah, don't think that would have gone over so well.
When I said our laws are not consistent I meant this. Our country does not value life and recognize the worth of the fetus in the womb. Our courts say it is alright to abort a fetus up until its natural birth. They do not protect it.
Because it's not the government's choice as to what a woman can do concerning her body. There's over 200 million people in this country that are already living and breathing that they're more concerned about.
And again, since I'm not pro death, I wouldn't know. Is that statement so hard to comprehend?
Well we do know now don’t we? Guilty of two murders, Laci and oh what did they call him? CONNOR
Still doesn't tell me what each and every juror thought.
But Stace we do know a bit about you.
You think you do, anyway.
You have a sister in law that has proudly had three abortions. She is pregnant now and has kids that were taken away from her.
And that has nothing to do with me as a person, therefore, you don't know anything about ME here.
Yes, I am. But that's only a small part of who I am. You don't know anything about me as a person, you only know what you read here and how you interpret it, which past experience shows to be vastly different from what is actually presented.
No, I do not support the death penalty. I support solitary confinement. I support throwing away the key. I support a life of unbelievably hard labor.
Well, at least you're consistent in that. Most people aren't.
Ah but ya are. You have already said I am NOT PRO-LIFE. You said that, and then tried to get out of it later.
Wrong. Saying that I am not pro life does not mean I think abortion is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Saying that I am not pro life means I think that a woman has a right to choose what happens to her own body, regardless of my personal feelings towards abortion.
Your like a chameleon, you change colors :mrgreen: depending on who you are talking to and what mood you are in. Your not pro-life, your pro-life, you don’t condone abortion….you condone it……………make your mind up. :doh
Let's try this one again; one day, it'll sink in. I am not pro life in the manner that you are. I have never said that I was, nor will I ever. I have also never said that I condone abortion, but I do realize that it is sometimes the best option for certain women. While I think that in an ideal world, abortion would not be necessary, I recognize that we do not live in an ideal world, and that it is not my place to tell another woman what she can or cannot do, as it is her life that is being affected, not mine.
Both are actually relevant to this conversation and to the abortion debate. My niece was a success story. Of course Steen and the pro-death camp would not think so……….but she was. She was born at 21 ½ weeks……….and survived, showing that babies at this gestational age have a chance. And that abortions are done way longer than 21 weeks.
Your sister in law, obviously uses abortion as a quick method of birth control. She is an example of those in the statistics that show……….
Really? You know everything about my sister in law to say that she fits into all of those statistics? The first two are obvious, certainly, but what about the third?
And saying that she uses abortion as a quick method of birth control....yes, I've accused her of the same thing, but then again, I don't know all of the circumstances surrounding her abortions, as I was not yet a part of the family when she had them.
As I said, it’s sad and if you were really pro-life you would think her irresponsible and sad as well. But you obviously do not. Doesn’t seem to bother ya a bit.
Well, I've already stated that I don't subscribe to your version of pro life. And obviously, you still don't know the first thing about me, nor do you bother to actually read my posts, or you wouldn't have made that statement at all. But hey, you just keep assuming things about me all you want; even if I've already clearly stated my opinion or feelings on something.
I'm not going to comment on the rest of your response because a)I already tried and the post was too long, and I don't feel like breaking it up, and b)it really didn't have much to do with the discussion at hand.
……………As I said, it’s sad and if you were really pro-life you would think her irresponsible and sad as well. But you obviously do not. Doesn’t seem to bother ya a bit.