Hussein Obama

[Caine]

I've heard all the spin given by pro-choicers... None of which negates their willful and murderous intent.

The bolded portion is where you look like a ****ing idiot.
Willful and Murderous Intent?
So I have willful and murderous intent if I am for allowing a woman the right to choose what she thinks is best for her life, and whether or not she wishes to bring another person into this world, knowing that that person will be unwanted. Strange. That has in it, in no part whatsoever "murderous" intent on my behalf. Otherwise stated, I do not see where I have murderous intent if I wish to leave the current laws/court decisions in place and allow the woman the right to choose. Does that mean I advocate all women going out and killing thier babies? No, In fact I would discourage it. But I don't think the government should be in the business of controling the woman's right to choose. That is what makes me Pro-Choice.
I'm sorry im not a "big government" freak like yourself Mr. Pastor.

Will a child call out from the womb, "No please mommy No!" With a certainty, I tell you he/she would, if only they could...

*sigh* This is the biggest emotional garbage Ive ever heard in the Abortion debate. Nobody knows what the **** a baby would say. Thats like saying the little baby chick inside of a chicken's egg would say, "NO FARMER NO! DON'T TAKE ME TO BE EATEN IN MY SHELL!" It means nothing.

I sir, am a pastor.
Now if you'll excuse me... I've a flock to fleece..

Yes, please go brainwash some more people into living how you see fit.
:roll:

 

[1069]

Will a child call out from the womb, "No please mommy No!" With a certainty, I tell you he/she would, if only they could...

ROFLMFAO!!!

:joke: :2rofll: :monkey

 

[Iriemon]

:doh Why do I have the distinct notion those last two lines in my previous post will wind up in someones sig...:rofl

I was wondering if "I have a flock to fleece" is what you really meant

 

[Apostle13]

I was wondering if "I have a flock to fleece" is what you really meant

Yes... :lol: I just figured I'd say it before someone else could.

 

[Apostle13]

ROFLMFAO!!!

:joke: :2rofll: :monkey

So got any good dead baby jokes you wish to share?

 

[Navy Pride]

That's funny. It shows a real lack of understanding.

You think the butcher of a helpless innocent baby in the womb is funny? Man/woman you have a wierd sense of humor...........

 

[Apostle13]

The bolded portion is where you look like a ****ing idiot.
Willful and Murderous Intent?
So I have willful and murderous intent if I am for allowing a woman the right to choose what she thinks is best for her life, and whether or not she wishes to bring another person into this world, knowing that that person will be unwanted. Strange. That has in it, in no part whatsoever "murderous" intent on my behalf. Otherwise stated, I do not see where I have murderous intent if I wish to leave the current laws/court decisions in place and allow the woman the right to choose. Does that mean I advocate all women going out and killing thier babies? No, In fact I would discourage it. But I don't think the government should be in the business of controling the woman's right to choose. That is what makes me Pro-Choice.
I'm sorry im not a "big government" freak like yourself Mr. Pastor.
*sigh* This is the biggest emotional garbage Ive ever heard in the Abortion debate. Nobody knows what the **** a baby would say. Thats like saying the little baby chick inside of a chicken's egg would say, "NO FARMER NO! DON'T TAKE ME TO BE EATEN IN MY SHELL!" It means nothing.


Yes, please go brainwash some more people into living how you see fit.
:roll:

Hey nice sig pal... You do realize that was a joke... Cause I know your thick and quick to take me outta context.

 

[Iriemon]

...Will a child call out from the womb, "No please mommy No!" With a certainty, I tell you he/she would, if only they could...

I certainly agree that a single celled fertilized egg cannot call out. I disagree with you certain conclusion that "it would if only it could." I doubt that a single celled organism has the consciousness to gather such thoughts, even in the most rudimentary form What is the basis for your certainty that it can?

I have counseled many and not one mother/father has returned to me expressing regret for having had the child... Only the contrary.

Why don't they just have another child if they regret not having one earlier? Or is that what you counsel them to do?

 

[Navy Pride]

ROFLMFAO!!!

:joke: :2rofll: :monkey

Such total disdain for the innocent, defenseless baby in the womb who only wants the same chance at life you got...........I am judging by what I have seen you post that you are not a person of faith but I tell you as God is my judge someday you will meet your maker and I feel sorry for you......

 

[Iriemon]

Such total disdain for the innocent, defenseless baby in the womb who only wants the same chance at life you got...........I am judging by what I have seen you post that you are not a person of faith but I tell you as God is my judge someday you will meet your maker and I feel sorry for you......

And what was it that Jesus said about judging, Mr. Christian?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Such total disdain for the innocent, defenseless baby in the womb who only wants the same chance at life you got.....

What a bunch of emotional tripe, ZEF's don't "want" anything, thats a function of the brain not yet developed.

.I am judging by what I have seen you post that you are not a person of faith

How dare he not believe in things with no proof.

but I tell you as God is my judge someday you will meet your maker and I feel sorry for you......

How very condescending and presumptuous. I doubt he fears your god any more than he does Zeus.

No truly moral person could earn the approval of the old testament Yahweh. Even if one wanted to forsake their morality in order to pass "judgement," don't you ALL fall short of his "grace" anyways?

And what was it that Jesus said about judging, Mr. Christian?

NP probably doesn't care much for pacifist teachings of his lord. The notion of a pro-military christian implies Cherry picking biblical teachings.

 

[Apostle13]

I certainly agree that a single celled fertilized egg cannot call out. I disagree with you certain conclusion that "it would if only it could." I doubt that a single celled organism has the consciousness to gather such thoughts, even in the most rudimentary form What is the basis for your certainty that it can?



Why don't they just have another child if they regret not having one earlier? Or is that what you counsel them to do?

There is for good reason you never find me posting in the abortion threads... It is a passionate (heart)issue and yet the debate forever circular by means of the secular.
My basis to measure is simply to project forward the life of the unborn and apply it to my own... Hey, you know what! I'm glad my momma didn't kill me.
So when is the last time anybody here wished they had been aborted?
I mean... Besides Caine.

 

[Apostle13]

Why don't they just have another child if they regret not having one earlier? Or is that what you counsel them to do?

Sorry... I missed this question.
Many do... It is especially hard though for the women to come to terms with this past sin... Now you should keep in mind I am counseling believers and there is a marked difference... In many cases they were without or with little remorse... And now they have become spiritually alive/awakened (aka) born again. It is a hard sin to bear.

 

[Iriemon]

There is for good reason you never find me posting in the abortion threads... It is a passionate (heart)issue and yet the debate forever circular by means of the secular.
My basis to measure is simply to project forward the life of the unborn and apply it to my own... Hey, you know what! I'm glad my momma didn't kill me.
So when is the last time anybody here wished they had been aborted?
I mean... Besides Caine.

I could see why using that logic you'd have your positions. I don't personally follow that logic.

I know a woman who had a child later in life after having an abortion when she was younger. She would not have had the later child if she had had the earlier one. If you asked him (the later child) whether he'd rather that the earlier pregancy not been aborted (and him never have been born), I could say with certainty that be happy about the earlier abortion -- it gave *him* the life instead.

The issue really comes down to, should that life be created earler, when it is not wanted and faces a greater probability of being unwanted and unloved, or should the life be created later, when there is a much higher probablity of being wanted and loved.

 

[Iriemon]

Sorry... I missed this question.
Many do... It is especially hard though for the women to come to terms with this past sin... Now you should keep in mind I am counseling believers and there is a marked difference... In many cases they were without or with little remorse... And now they have become spiritually alive/awakened (aka) born again. It is a hard sin to bear.

Then maybe they can be thankful for the later life they are creating that might not otherwise have been created.

And maybe you should explain to them the Bible doesn't really say it's a sin.

 

[BodiSatva]

Apostle13
Before it was "pro-choice" it was pro-abortion. All that it is, is pro-abortionists' subtle method for to sugar coat murder by reason; convenience.

Before it was "Pro-Life" it was "Anti-Choice". All that it is, is Anti-Choic's subtle method for to sugar coat Oppression to forward agendas.

I will stand-up and speak-out for the voiceless/defenseless by all manner and means weather it be by counsel, or vote.

I will stand-up and speak-out for the those intimidated by the misguided/zealots by all manner and means weather it be by counsel, or vote.

 

[Apostle13]

I could see why using that logic you'd have your positions. I don't personally follow that logic.

I know a woman who had a child later in life after having an abortion when she was younger. She would not have had the later child if she had had the earlier one. If you asked him (the later child) whether he'd rather that the earlier pregancy not been aborted (and him never have been born), I could say with certainty that be happy about the earlier abortion -- it gave *him* the life instead.

A fair point. However secular.

The issue really comes down to, should that life be created earler, when it is not wanted and faces a greater probability of being unwanted and unloved, or should the life be created later, when there is a much higher probablity of being wanted and loved.

Here we digress. In many cultures it is considered insulting to reject a gift given by another. This too is the nature of God. The bible tells us (Christians) in Psalms 127 that children are a gift from God... How much worse is it to reject God's gifting..?
Even His own Son.

 

[1069]

Sorry... I missed this question.
Many do... It is especially hard though for the women to come to terms with this past sin... Now you should keep in mind I am counseling believers and there is a marked difference... In many cases they were without or with little remorse... And now they have become spiritually alive/awakened (aka) born again. It is a hard sin to bear.

Meh. Women stupid enough to fall for your crap deserve to feel bad.
When they get tired of having abuse heaped upon them by misogynists, they'll come to their senses.
I've given up on trying to hasten their return to reason.
It disgusts me.
It seems to me that some women (and also a great many men) enjoy being abused.
I don't know what else religion is about, except some wierd S&M thing with a big invisible supernatural imaginary entity as "Master" (since he's imaginary, all actual abuse must be inflicted by his human emmissaries here on earth, who claim to be acting on his behalf).
It's flat out pathetic and sick.
Not to mention extremely boring.

 

[Apostle13]

Before it was "Pro-Life" it was "Anti-Choice". All that it is, is Anti-Choic's subtle method for to sugar coat Oppression to forward agendas.



I will stand-up and speak-out for the those intimidated by the misguided/zealots by all manner and means weather it be by counsel, or vote.

I'll flip while you flop.

 

[Apostle13]

Meh. Women stupid enough to fall for your crap deserve to feel bad.
When they get tired of having abuse heaped upon them by misogynists, they'll come to their senses.
I've given up on trying to hasten their return to reason.
It disgusts me.
It seems to me that some women (and also a great many men) enjoy being abused.
I don't know what else religion is about, except some wierd S&M thing with a big invisible supernatural imaginary entity as "Master" (since he's imaginary, all actual abuse must be inflicted by his human emmissaries here on earth, who claim to be acting on his behalf).
It's flat out pathetic and sick.
Not to mention extremely boring.

Your passion to defend only suggest to me that you've a murder or two beneath your belt (pun intended).

 

[BodiSatva]

Apostle13
I'll flip while you flop.

I'll drip while you drop.

Just pointing it out can be so much fun...

 

[Apostle13]

I'll drip while you drop.

Just pointing it out can be so much fun...

I'm hip so don't stop.
Yes... I have been known to turn others post against them.

 

[1069]

Your passion to defend only suggest to me that you've a murder or two beneath your belt (pun intended).

It ought to suggest my disgust with those who claim to offer so-called "counseling" with the aim of making others find themselves "hard to live with" (your words) when there wasn't anything wrong with them before said 'counseling' ("no remorse"; again, your words).
I'm disgusted with men like you, who try to convince poor, ignorant, underprivileged women that exercising their right to reproductive choice is evil, that abortion is not in fact constitutionally-protected civil right at all, but a "sin".
I'm disgusted that some women are so ignorant and beaten down by life that they stand for your *cough*brainwashing ahem* "counseling", and allow you to heap abusive lies on their heads and come crawling back for more, and then go out into the world like our very own Doughgirl and heap this same abuse on others.
If you don't like the law, fvcking try and change it.
You can't, but I'd rather see you expending your malign energy in that direction than in screwing up the heads and lives of the weakest, most vulnerable, and most gullible members of our society.
Abortion is legal... and it is moral.
It is the law, and it's that way because that's how Americans want it.
You don't know jackshit about pregnancy or childbirth or parenting, and you don't know jackshit about what's best for anyone except possible (though not likely) yourself.
"Counseling", my arse. :?

 

[Apostle13]

It ought to suggest my disgust with those who claim to offer so-called "counseling" with the aim of making others find themselves "hard to live with" (your words) when there wasn't anything wrong with them before said 'counseling' ("no remorse"; again, your words).
I'm disgusted with men like you, who try to convince poor, ignorant, underprivileged women that exercising their right to reproductive choice is evil, that abortion is not in fact constitutionally-protected civil right at all, but a "sin".
I'm disgusted that some women are so ignorant and beaten down by life that they stand for your *cough*brainwashing ahem* "counseling", and allow you to heap abusive lies on their heads and come crawling back for more, and then go out into the world like our very own Doughgirl and heap this same abuse on others.
If you don't like the law, fvcking try and change it.
You can't, but I'd rather see you expending your malign energy in that direction than in screwing up the heads and lives of the weakest, most vulnerable, and most gullible members of our society.
Abortion is legal... and it is moral.
It is the law, and it's that way because that's how Americans want it.
You don't know jackshit about pregnancy or childbirth or parenting, and you don't know jackshit about what's best for anyone except possible (though not likely) yourself.
"Counseling", my arse. :?

Well... Hey! Know what!? I like doughgirl... And while I don't actively participate in the abortion threads, I do read them. You all can spin it what you will but the truth denied equates to gross injustice, murder for convenience. The people didn't vote roe/wade... Liberal judges did. Oh let the people have their say/vote and pro-choicers are defeated... But the day will come and may already be that such will not be the case for eventually the ills become the norm and a sickened society will fall.
I do Gods work condemn me for it what you will... My conscience is always clear and peace rules my heart... And because I do... A child is born!
Too bad we had not met sooner..

 

[1069]

Too bad we had not met sooner..

Thanks, but I am not now and never have been in need of "counseling" from self-proclaimed "pastors" who want to see what I look like in a bikini. :roll:
I grew up with nuns and priests, and that was bad enough.