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I think the guy got what he deserves.

Let me correct myself. I got caught up in the emotional aspect of this decision. I would prefer he get life in prison without the possibility of parole. I am against the death penalty in all country's for any reasons.

So, I do not think he got what he deserves.

He deserves life in prison (without parole).
 
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Hussein gets DEATH:questions or comments

I don't think there was ever a question in anyone's mind that he would.
Heck, until I read the news today, I thought he was dead already. I thought I'd heard that he died some time ago.
That's how interested I've been in the whole "show trial" charade.
 
Well, that's part one of cleaning up the mess we made in Iraq. Reckon part two is getting the Iraqi government self-sufficient.
 
Billo_Really said:
I think the guy got what he deserves.

Let me correct myself. I got caught up in the emotional aspect of this decision. I would prefer he get life in prison without the possibility of parole. I am against the death penalty in all country's for any reasons.

So, I do not think he got what he deserves.

He deserves life in prison (without parole).


Naw billo let him stretch.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Well, that's part one of cleaning up the mess we made in Iraq. Reckon part two is getting the Iraqi government self-sufficient.

I agree. We need to make sure that Iraq is IRAN-PROOF before we leave... or the ayetoiletbowl will surely invade.
 
Billo_Really said:
Hussein gets DEATH:questions or comments

Hell of a way to kick off the birth of a just and benelovent democracy.
 
the hanging of saddam looks like it will just cause more unrest between opposing views within Iraq... apparently most Sunni Muslims supported Saddam and his policies and the majority of Shite Muslims were against them...

looks like the tensio between Sunni and Shite is most likley to increase, with bloody consequences
 
Jhé said:
the hanging of saddam looks like it will just cause more unrest between opposing views within Iraq... apparently most Sunni Muslims supported Saddam and his policies and the majority of Shite Muslims were against them...

looks like the tensio between Sunni and Shite is most likley to increase, with bloody consequences

They will kill eachother no matter what.
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
Hell of a way to kick off the birth of a just and benelovent democracy.

Don't even pretend to act like Hussein doesn't deserve to get death.

Hussein is a genocidal madman who was sentenced to hang. In his case, as it SHOULD BE, in the case of the mullahs and the ayatollah of Iran, a sentence of death is justified.

Furthermore, as much as it pains me to say it, there will be no "just" government in the middle east until the middle east separates their religion from their government.

Islam cannot be allowed to infere in governmental activity.

;)
 
many people that die deserve life, and many people that live deserve death

personally i believe that no man should be sentenced to death beacause humans are all at heart loving and caring creatures, but if you say saddam deserves to die, then why not bush as well?


i agree with you that islam cannot be allowed to interfere with the running of a government, but you cannot allow any religion to interfere with runnings of any goverment
 
When was the last time Bush ordered chemical warfair on citizens that oppose him, Jhe?
 
Jhé said:
many people that die deserve life, and many people that live deserve death

personally i believe that no man should be sentenced to death beacause humans are all at heart loving and caring creatures, but if you say saddam deserves to die, then why not bush as well?


i agree with you that islam cannot be allowed to interfere with the running of a government, but you cannot allow any religion to interfere with runnings of any goverment

Bush didn't use chemical weapons on the Kurds. Bush didn't commit mass-genocide against the Shiites (as much as it pains me to say it --- probably brought SOME of it on themselves) and Bush did not run mass-torture chambers inside police stations.

Any other questions?

:confused:
 
bush is responsible for those 3000 odd US soilders dead in Iraq, he is responsible for those 20 000 odd injured in iraq

he is also responsible for the odd 280 US soldiers dead in Afghanistan,

this is Afghanistan and Iraq alone,

as i said no man should die, he should be sentenced to life imprisonment as saddam should be
 
Jhé said:
as i said no man should die, he should be sentenced to life imprisonment as saddam should be
If they could, the 300,000+ civilian victims of Saddam would no doubt disagree with your philosophical largesse.
 
Vader said:
Bush didn't use chemical weapons on the Kurds. Bush didn't commit mass-genocide against the Shiites (as much as it pains me to say it --- probably brought SOME of it on themselves) and Bush did not run mass-torture chambers inside police stations.

Any other questions?

You know it’s hard to defend a mass murder, like Saddam. So, arguing against this is kind of like saying I like genocide, or I believe in racism! However, my point is not that I support genocide, or whatever Saddam did or didn't do. The point is that if Saddam deserves the death sentence then many world leaders also deserve the death sentence. The book, Hegemony or Survival America's Quest for Global Dominance, points out that Turkey also did a mass genocide against Kurds, however the death toll is more like 3,000 which isn't that bad compared to Saddam.
I don't want to blame the victim when I say that the Kurds should have saw it coming. I mean Kurdistan controls a large portion of Iraq's oil, which means that the Kurds were in a strategic geopolitical area. The Kurds received funds from Iran for guerilla warfare,
according to the book, Essential Histories: The Iran-Iraq War 1980-1988. When you think about it the Kurds were against Saddam and caused terrorist acts. What is America’s policy on terrorist? Oh yeah you go to a little torture camp in Guantanamo Bay. Wait, did I just say torture camps? Saddam had torture camps…America has torture camps… Anyway, if you don’t believe my internet blog, then you should read the book Enemy Combatant: My Imprisonment at Guantanamo, Bagram, and Kandahar. So, your right when you say, “Bush did not run mass-torture chambers inside police stations.” Bush didn’t run torture chambers inside police stations, but at Guantanamo. Now getting back to the genocide against the Kurds, it’s not right in the way Saddam committed the act. Chemical warfare against innocent citizens is completely wrong, and Saddam shouldn’t have done it. But, when you have a hostile terrorist ethnic group that control a significant supply of oil I can understand the actions, I don’t agree with the genocide. How else do you deal with terrorist in your own country???

The more pressing question is how did Iraq get the chemical weapons to use against the Kurds? I’ll tell you if you didn’t know America supported Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, and America gave them chemical and biological weapons to use against the Kurds. Americans say that Iraq has no democracy and how it’s a travesty, but I ask the question to who put him in power? American CIA supported and put Saddam Hussein in power, but until he decided to go against US interest by cutting off oil rights and trying to diversify his country Iraq was considered an ally. Saddam’s purpose and his mandate of being in power for US was to destroy the Iraqi Democratic Revolution, which he did. Saddam Hussein destroyed other political parties and rivals to maintain power. He destroyed the Iraqi communist party, he destroyed the Iraqi Kurdish Democratic party, the reformist party, he destroyed the left wing of his own Ba’ath party, and he did it equip with, trained, advised, and paid for by the US government. I hate to point out that genocides are common and rarely acted upon in the international community. Take Turkey for example with the mass killing of the Kurds, and look at how in the early 1990’s how Boris Yeltsin killed 3,000 political hard line communist that supported the Supreme Court. Never mind the inhumanity at Kazakhstan considered by the U.N. and Washington Post, the single worst country dealing with human rights. Forget Sudan and their countless genocide you hear about daily. For the past 50 years Sudan has been in a skirmish. I say skirmish, because I did a research paper on Sudan and I said Sudan’s war that has claim a million lives, in class, and someone else just happened also to do some research on Sudan. They corrected me by saying Sudan isn’t in a constant state of war, but they have 50 guys fight in the bushes against another 50 guys. In a way he is right Sudan’s genocides have claimed rough estimates by the U.N. around a million lives in the past 50 years, so yes genocides are common and rarely acted on. In fact in Sudan International aid/support was pulled by Russia, US, and a few other countries because they don’t support what’s going on Sudan. Hundreds of thousands of people are displaced from their homes and will die/ have died, but yet the international aid that wasn’t even able to support the displaced people to begin with is now cut. So, yes genocide sucks, but I wanted to point out that genocide happens a lot and they don’t always warrant an invasion. Or do genocides warrant invasion? I think they do, but that would be taking on the world, because countless countries have caused genocide, we couldn’t possible go to war with all the countries that have caused genocides. America has even caused genocide. Genocide is defined as follows: Genocide is a term defined by Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." America killed millions of Native Americans with intent to destroy them. Everyone remembers the blankets that were disease ridden. According to the Sociology book by, James M. Henslin used in college courses claims that 10 million Native Americans in North America existed prior to colonies. To quote from the book “…about 95 percent of Native Americans died” so, to put it gently it would be better to try to prevent genocides from happening instead of invading countries. This could be done through the U.N., yeah we sometimes forget about the U.N. mainly because they never do anything...

Saddam is not a nice man, but in context of the Middle East he’s not that bad. He was a tyrant, but he was Iraq’s tyrant. The tiny country of Iraq, if you want to free the people of “oppression” helps Kazakhstan, or Sudan. I look around Iraq and I don’t see any countries that are much better. Kuwait, a tiny country that is ruled by a select group of families by no means is it better than Iraq. The book, SADDAM HUSSEIN : A Political Biography, talks about the Kuwait invasion by Iraq, and it was comical. A press official asked Saddam why he invaded Iraq, and Saddam’s response was something like Western media doesn’t care why I invaded Kuwait they just want to make me look bad. Saddam goes on to talk about how Kuwait was stealing Iraq’s oil, political blackmailing, supported and funded terrorist acts against the state of Iraq, and refused Iraq the right to flyover or transport any goods over Kuwait.
Lets get back to Saddam deserving the death sentence now. Do Saddam’s deeds give premise for a hanging? Take a look at what he has done for his country first. Saddam gave free education to all social classes and to women. Saddam made a free universe health care system, subsidies for farmers, and promoted numerous other industries. Saddam brought electricity to nearly every city and outer laying areas, he modernized his country. For the Middle East this is unprecedented. Saddam gave some rights to women, he even won an award from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization. Saddam was inherently good for his country. I’ll let you decide whether he should be hanged or not. I’m not trying to say that Saddam’s actions were all good, or defend this dictator, but it would look that he has done some good things and some of his choices that look bad are really not that bad. So Saddam: torture camps, genocide, and oppression, … America torture camps, genocide, but no oppression we supported oppression in Iraq though.

P.S. I know this probably doesn’t change your mind, but at least think about. I also find Saddam’s hanging to be funny, because it sounds so old school. Who hangs people anymore? Anyway sorry that it was so long, I sincerely thank you if you read it completely.
 
Lime said:
Vader said:
Bush didn't use chemical weapons on the Kurds. Bush didn't commit mass-genocide against the Shiites (as much as it pains me to say it --- probably brought SOME of it on themselves) and Bush did not run mass-torture chambers inside police stations.

Any other questions?

You know it’s hard to defend a mass murder, like Saddam. So, arguing against this is kind of like saying I like genocide, or I believe in racism! However, my point is not that I support genocide, or whatever Saddam did or didn't do. The point is that if Saddam deserves the death sentence then many world leaders also deserve the death sentence. The book, Hegemony or Survival America's Quest for Global Dominance, points out that Turkey also did a mass genocide against Kurds, however the death toll is more like 3,000 which isn't that bad compared to Saddam.
I don't want to blame the victim when I say that the Kurds should have saw it coming. I mean Kurdistan controls a large portion of Iraq's oil, which means that the Kurds were in a strategic geopolitical area. The Kurds received funds from Iran for guerilla warfare,
according to the book, Essential Histories: The Iran-Iraq War 1980-1988. When you think about it the Kurds were against Saddam and caused terrorist acts. What is America’s policy on terrorist? Oh yeah you go to a little torture camp in Guantanamo Bay. Wait, did I just say torture camps? Saddam had torture camps…America has torture camps… Anyway, if you don’t believe my internet blog, then you should read the book Enemy Combatant: My Imprisonment at Guantanamo, Bagram, and Kandahar. So, your right when you say, “Bush did not run mass-torture chambers inside police stations.” Bush didn’t run torture chambers inside police stations, but at Guantanamo. Now getting back to the genocide against the Kurds, it’s not right in the way Saddam committed the act. Chemical warfare against innocent citizens is completely wrong, and Saddam shouldn’t have done it. But, when you have a hostile terrorist ethnic group that control a significant supply of oil I can understand the actions, I don’t agree with the genocide. How else do you deal with terrorist in your own country???

The more pressing question is how did Iraq get the chemical weapons to use against the Kurds? I’ll tell you if you didn’t know America supported Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, and America gave them chemical and biological weapons to use against the Kurds. Americans say that Iraq has no democracy and how it’s a travesty, but I ask the question to who put him in power? American CIA supported and put Saddam Hussein in power, but until he decided to go against US interest by cutting off oil rights and trying to diversify his country Iraq was considered an ally. Saddam’s purpose and his mandate of being in power for US was to destroy the Iraqi Democratic Revolution, which he did. Saddam Hussein destroyed other political parties and rivals to maintain power. He destroyed the Iraqi communist party, he destroyed the Iraqi Kurdish Democratic party, the reformist party, he destroyed the left wing of his own Ba’ath party, and he did it equip with, trained, advised, and paid for by the US government. I hate to point out that genocides are common and rarely acted upon in the international community. Take Turkey for example with the mass killing of the Kurds, and look at how in the early 1990’s how Boris Yeltsin killed 3,000 political hard line communist that supported the Supreme Court. Never mind the inhumanity at Kazakhstan considered by the U.N. and Washington Post, the single worst country dealing with human rights. Forget Sudan and their countless genocide you hear about daily. For the past 50 years Sudan has been in a skirmish. I say skirmish, because I did a research paper on Sudan and I said Sudan’s war that has claim a million lives, in class, and someone else just happened also to do some research on Sudan. They corrected me by saying Sudan isn’t in a constant state of war, but they have 50 guys fight in the bushes against another 50 guys. In a way he is right Sudan’s genocides have claimed rough estimates by the U.N. around a million lives in the past 50 years, so yes genocides are common and rarely acted on. In fact in Sudan International aid/support was pulled by Russia, US, and a few other countries because they don’t support what’s going on Sudan. Hundreds of thousands of people are displaced from their homes and will die/ have died, but yet the international aid that wasn’t even able to support the displaced people to begin with is now cut. So, yes genocide sucks, but I wanted to point out that genocide happens a lot and they don’t always warrant an invasion. Or do genocides warrant invasion? I think they do, but that would be taking on the world, because countless countries have caused genocide, we couldn’t possible go to war with all the countries that have caused genocides. America has even caused genocide. Genocide is defined as follows: Genocide is a term defined by Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." America killed millions of Native Americans with intent to destroy them. Everyone remembers the blankets that were disease ridden. According to the Sociology book by, James M. Henslin used in college courses claims that 10 million Native Americans in North America existed prior to colonies. To quote from the book “…about 95 percent of Native Americans died” so, to put it gently it would be better to try to prevent genocides from happening instead of invading countries. This could be done through the U.N., yeah we sometimes forget about the U.N. mainly because they never do anything...

Saddam is not a nice man, but in context of the Middle East he’s not that bad. He was a tyrant, but he was Iraq’s tyrant. The tiny country of Iraq, if you want to free the people of “oppression” helps Kazakhstan, or Sudan. I look around Iraq and I don’t see any countries that are much better. Kuwait, a tiny country that is ruled by a select group of families by no means is it better than Iraq. The book, SADDAM HUSSEIN : A Political Biography, talks about the Kuwait invasion by Iraq, and it was comical. A press official asked Saddam why he invaded Iraq, and Saddam’s response was something like Western media doesn’t care why I invaded Kuwait they just want to make me look bad. Saddam goes on to talk about how Kuwait was stealing Iraq’s oil, political blackmailing, supported and funded terrorist acts against the state of Iraq, and refused Iraq the right to flyover or transport any goods over Kuwait.
Lets get back to Saddam deserving the death sentence now. Do Saddam’s deeds give premise for a hanging? Take a look at what he has done for his country first. Saddam gave free education to all social classes and to women. Saddam made a free universe health care system, subsidies for farmers, and promoted numerous other industries. Saddam brought electricity to nearly every city and outer laying areas, he modernized his country. For the Middle East this is unprecedented. Saddam gave some rights to women, he even won an award from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization. Saddam was inherently good for his country. I’ll let you decide whether he should be hanged or not. I’m not trying to say that Saddam’s actions were all good, or defend this dictator, but it would look that he has done some good things and some of his choices that look bad are really not that bad. So Saddam: torture camps, genocide, and oppression, … America torture camps, genocide, but no oppression we supported oppression in Iraq though.

P.S. I know this probably doesn’t change your mind, but at least think about. I also find Saddam’s hanging to be funny, because it sounds so old school. Who hangs people anymore? Anyway sorry that it was so long, I sincerely thank you if you read it completely.

The Nazi genocides committed in various European states from 1939-1945 warranted an invasion. The Nazis had to be stopped then and people like Saddam Hussein and the Ayetoiletbowl must be stopped now.

The UN is supposed to handle this problem (it is what the UN was created for); however, a bunch of ballsless countries got on the UN and now it's worthless.

Russia and China both need to be removed from the UN. Once this happens; the more ballsless countries like France and Germany will then no longer be able to hide behind them.

Just some thoughts.
 

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