AdamT
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The science of climate change is only getting better as we speak - its stuff like this that you want to refrain from, however. The Earth is a huge place and is most certainly not in equilibrium. Pointing to pictures of a small part of it percentage-wise does not strengthen arguments. The Earth, as a whole has gotten generally warmer and is continuing to trend that way. However, I can certainly point to parts of it (bigger than what you showed), that have gotten colder.
That's true. But Greenland is of particular concern given the vast amount of ice there and very serious effect it would have on sea levels if it goes bye bye.
Yes, that's true. It doesn't have any particular significance in terms of proof, though. About as much as going into a room of 30 people and saying they all wear blue shirts, while using one persons shirt as evidence.
Glad you learned something!
It was run on Fox also. Should Fox be committed as well?
LOL! Thanks for your uneducated opinion there anonymous internet guy, it has added so much to the discussion. :sun
Of course when the same thing is happening in the Antarctic as well, and then South America, and other places...
NASA, researchers: Antarctic ice loss at least 10 gigatons a year for last decade | SmartPlanet
Ice loss from outlet glaciers of the Patagonian Icefields, southern South America since the Little Ice Age maximum. : Global sea-level contribution from the Patagonian Icefields since the Little Ice Age maximum : Nature Geoscience : Nature Publishing
As explained, I haven't seen the Fox version.
Who exposed them as "grad students" and where are they located?
They exposed themselves. From the start. They didn't expect morons from the media to pick up the story and **** it up beyond all recognition. It was the friggin plot of a movie, for cryin' out loud. Seriously, there was a movie made that had that as the exact plot.
The ultimate moron in anyone who gets their science information from journalists.
Well it seems like we can now relax and let nature take its course.
Lawrence Solomon: Science getting settled | FP Comment | Financial Post
Yes, that's true. It doesn't have any particular significance in terms of proof, though. About as much as going into a room of 30 people and saying they all wear blue shirts, while using one persons shirt as evidence.
Well it seems like we can now relax and let nature take its course.
Lawrence Solomon: Science getting settled | FP Comment | Financial Post
I would like to reiterate the last sentence of my previous post:
"The ultimate moron in anyone who gets their science information from journalists."
Well you can go directly to the source, if you prefer. It's right there in the article.
Do you need help in understanding what the scientists are telling us?
Do you understand that much of the information we receive comes from the media?
Do you ever get information from the media?
I realize you're trying to make a point of some sort but you're just coming across as quite a thick human being.
You see, we were right to be skeptical of a paper with a short time horizon published in an off-topic journal..."I perceive this paper to be fundamentally flawed and therefore wrongly accepted by the journal."
Sun not to blame for global warming.
A study has confirmed that there are no grounds to blame the Sun for recent global warming. The analysis shows that global warming since 1985 has been caused neither by an increase in solar radiation nor by a decrease in the flux of galactic cosmic rays.
The Kirkby research is important, as it will increase the level of detail of climate models... but to conclude that it somehow disproves - or even contradicts AGW in any way is simply preposterous.
What about...Al Gore, the prophet spouting pseudo-science?
I'm (as well as many others) understandably are wary of the Al Gore hysteria crowd because I have strong concerns about their motives. I think that there are folks who are just concerned with the science of it all, but I think they are being coached/funded/channeled or otherwise manipulated to come up with findings that will further certain social/political/economic agendas that are at odds with the continued well being of the United States of America.
Kinda reminds me reminds me a bit about nuclear disarmament arguments, you'd hear back in the 80's. The left I hate America crowd was screaming at the top of their lungs for the western democracies to dismantle their nuclear arsenals, while no similar request was being made of the Soviet Union. WTF???
Fast forward 30 years and the I hate America assholes want western democracies to charge off of a proverbial economic cliff as a knee jerk reaction to the probability that human industrialization is contributing to the Earth's climate change cycles by having everyone make the leap of faith that human civilization can retool itself in such a way that will reverse the process. Yet, even though China surpassed the United States as the world's largest emitter of CO2 in 2006, no indignation is shown at their cavalier attitude towards climate change or any other environmental issue for that matter.....again WTF???? Indeed China, India, and just about every region besides North America and western Europe is conveniently ignored by "I hate America" dumbasses global warming gurus. ...The reality is that if you do make that leap of faith and agree that we can somehow undo the effect human society is having on climate change, attacking the problem by draconian means in just Europe and America isn't going to accomplish **** but remove America from it's superpower status. Europe is already economically irrelevant on the world stage, so comparatively speaking they have little to lose with such a grand experiment.
Global warming hysteria is big business now, and fortunes stand to me made if government regulations can be massaged in the right way.
Thats the bottom line
Second, here's the real story about money: it's cheaper to mitigate now than adapt later. Also just a fact some are aware of and others are not.
For the sake of discussion, if everyone buys into the idea that humans are at fault here there are still two questions that need to be answered. And both of them have serious and potentially culture crushing political and economic implications. 1) What can be done about it and by whom? 2) Who is to administer the necessary changes?
How are you going to convince the peasants who are deforesting South America so they can build farms to feed themselves? How are you going to convince the leadership of China or India who don't care about anything other than gaining an economic upper hand over the west? How are you going to convince the countless tinpot banana republic dictators who shamelessly rape their countries natural resources with old school heavy industry?
In short, the economic system needs to be altered in two fundamental ways:
1. There needs to be a financial value to ecosystem services provided by natural and made-made environments. As the current economy works, resources gain massive value for being converted into products - with little incentive to retain stocks or ecosystem services (such as water cycling, biodiversity, erosion prevention, habitat, etc.)
2. The costs of putting carbon and other GHGs in the atmosphere needs to be internalized to the market for those who do it. Since carbon in the air contributes to climate instability, the producers of that carbon should pay a price commensurate with the damage it causes.