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[White]

http://www.illegalimmigrantprotest.com/

Visit this site if you are agaisnt illegal immigration.

 

[cnredd]

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If your only intention is too flood the forum with your own agenda and the agendas of your masters, I'm here to inform you that you are quickly finding your way to the exit...

We've seen your kind before, and when they started pushing their views down everybody's throat, that led them down the same path you are currently traveling...

If you want to debate, then debate...

But telling everyone where they should go to digest your brand of hatred, whether you like it or not, is very disruptive to the flow of legitimate debate...

And being disruptive superceeds any right you may think you have to letting people in on your views...

You've been warned...Cease & Desist with the immflamatory thread starting disguised as something intellectual...

It won't work here...

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[White]

I´m sorry, but could you tell me whats wrong with my post ?

 

[Red_Dave]

I´m sorry, but could you tell me whats wrong with my post ?

He just did. Can you tell me whats wrong with people who risk there lives to get a decent job? or do you have no logical reason to opossse them other than childish hatred?:roll:

 

[White]

He just did. Can you tell me whats wrong with people who risk there lives to get a decent job? or do you have no logical reason to opossse them other than childish hatred?:roll:

The thing i from the moderator was that is there something from if i inform people who oppose illegal immigration ?

Is it allowed to oppose illegal immigration in this forum ?

Please, give me your rules about the immigration dicussions...

 

[LeftyHenry]

http://www.illegalimmigrantprotest.com/

Visit this site if you are agaisnt illegal immigration.

What's your point here whitey? Why are you against illegal immigration. we're all ultimately immigrants who came here seeking freedom, liberty, and a damn job, so why can't they? They are a real contributing part of our economy. So what's your problem with them?

 

[White]

What's your point here whitey? Why are you against illegal immigration. we're all ultimately immigrants who came here seeking freedom, liberty, and a damn job, so why can't they? They are a real contributing part of our economy. So what's your problem with them?

How swwet, but do you really believe that ?

 

[Jay R]

White, I'm not going to flame your politics, it's not my place to tell you what to think, but would you accept some constructive criticism?

Your posts that i've seen tend to be very brief and feature a lot of links to outside sites, that gives people the impression your just advertising your politics of choice. The site is called debate politics, you should do that, don't just direct us to other sources, tell us what you believe and why, challenge us and be prepered to be challenged back. You have chosen a very difficult ideology so it'll be hard work to advance it, and if you want to do so you're going to have to work at it.

Think of it like this: your political ideas, do you want to be the guy standing at the head of the rally, driving them forward, or the guy standing by the door handing out flyers?

 

[Schweddy]

The thing i from the moderator was that is there something from if i inform people who oppose illegal immigration ?

Is it allowed to oppose illegal immigration in this forum ?

Please, give me your rules about the immigration dicussions...

Lol, White - it seems you are not here to "Debate" or discuss with us - are you?
It is not the topic, it is your lack of dicsussion.

JamesRichards has some very excellent advice. You might find after filling us with details on your position that you are not alone. The issue at hand is that you are lacking content and being lazy by only linking to other sites and not providing us with your own unique perspective. Thus, it is boring. Some people see that as spaming. We know where to go to get involved, if not, we all know how to use google, yahoo! or MSN. However, if your argument utilizes another site - please link it.

BTW, I am very much against illegal immigration (as many of the users here). But, we are more interested in *your* opinion as you are the starter of this thread.

Plus it would have been nice to put this in the correct forum.

Moving it...

 

[LeftyHenry]

How swwet, but do you really believe that ?

Actually yeah I do. That's why I said it.

 

[RealmOfThePureForms]

What's your point here whitey? Why are you against illegal immigration. we're all ultimately immigrants who came here seeking freedom, liberty, and a damn job, so why can't they? They are a real contributing part of our economy. So what's your problem with them?

You Sir, have absolutely no clue as to what you are speaking about. I don't know why he is against illegal immigration, but I'll list for you the reason why I, and any other sane Americans are against illegal immigration.


1) Here is where the DUH factor comes in, they are ILLEGAL.
2) For every dollar they put into taxes, they take 2 out of our infrastructure(education system, healthcare, welfare)
3) Our country cannot handle the more than 200,000,000 population growth we will encounter over the next 40 years at current immigration levels. It will collapse our infrastructure.
4) They are unassimilated. Unassimilated groups are what caused the destruction of nearly every major empire to ever exist in the world. The more illegals that pour into this country, the more America fits the definition of empire and not nation. If you don't understand what I'm saying just look up the definition of empire vs nation. It should become quiet clear at that point.
5) They don't speak english, have no desire to speak english, have no desire to respect our laws, have no desire to learn our history, have no desire to assimilate into our culture, have a great desire to make money and send it back to Mexica and have 0 loyalty to America.

6) For anyone who asks for "references" to any of my points, feel free to click the 2nd link in my signature. For anyone who wants to see the coming devistation to the American infrastructure over the next 40 years if immigration continues at the current rate please click the first link in my profile.

 

[LeftyHenry]

You Sir, have absolutely no clue as to what you are speaking about. I don't know why he is against illegal immigration, but I'll list for you the reason why I, and any other sane Americans are against illegal immigration.

It's not that I support it, it's that they came here seeking a job and a better life like the rest of us, so why should they be denied that oppurtunity.

1) Here is where the DUH factor comes in, they are ILLEGAL.

Well first off I don't support letting immigrants come here the way they currently do. I think that we should let immigrants come in but are checked in order to make sure they aren't terrorists. Also we should only let in a certain percentage of the current population in.

2) For every dollar they put into taxes, they take 2 out of our infrastructure(education system, healthcare, welfare)

I doubt that. If they're coming here and bring money back to mexico than why would they be using our welfare and education system. If you're refering to families that come here well than they're paying taxes so they're the same as the rest of us. I do however think that we should do a better job at making sure that illegal immigrants pay their taxes.

3) Our country cannot handle the more than 200,000,000 population growth we will encounter over the next 40 years at current immigration levels. It will collapse our infrastructure.

I don't think they're really going to flood our country like you make it seem. It's a little unrealistic.

4) They are unassimilated. Unassimilated groups are what caused the destruction of nearly every major empire to ever exist in the world. The more illegals that pour into this country, the more America fits the definition of empire and not nation. If you don't understand what I'm saying just look up the definition of empire vs nation. It should become quiet clear at that point.

Wow this is got to be the most ignorant statement I've heard. Basically mexicans will turn us into an empire. That's great.

THis is what makes America great. That every single ethnicity and culture are can be found here. It hasn't killed us yet so why should it ever.

5) They don't speak english, have no desire to speak english, have no desire to respect our laws, have no desire to learn our history, have no desire to assimilate into our culture, have a great desire to make money and send it back to Mexica and have 0 loyalty to America.

Not only is this very stereotypical, but it's not true. I know plenty of Mexican Americans who came here as illegal immigrants and now are patriots.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by RealmOfThePureForms
5) They don't speak english, have no desire to speak english, have no desire to respect our laws, have no desire to learn our history, have no desire to assimilate into our culture, have a great desire to make money and send it back to Mexica and have 0 loyalty to America.

I live in Southern California. Care to venture a guess as to what language was spoken in this area 200 years ago? It wasn't English.

I grew up and spent most of my life condemning the Iron Curtain and Berlin Wall. And I am certainly not in favor of re-constructing it here! Your statements are racist and totally FOS. Why don't you show proof of their affect on our infrastructure. Prove what you say before shooting your god-damn mouth off!

You really need to take this plaque down before you start talking your racist hatred.

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

 

[RealmOfThePureForms]

I live in Southern California. Care to venture a guess as to what language was spoken in this area 200 years ago? It wasn't English.

I grew up and spent most of my life condemning the Iron Curtain and Berlin Wall. And I am certainly not in favor of re-constructing it here! Your statements are racist and totally FOS. Why don't you show proof of their affect on our infrastructure. Prove what you say before shooting your god-damn mouth off!

You really need to take this plaque down before you start talking your racist hatred.

Mexico received $20 billion in remittances last year, an increase of 20 percent from $16.6 billion in 2004, the bank said.

Mexico received more than any other Latin American or Caribbean country.

Source - The Elpasotimes.com


After the 1994-1995 economic crisis, probably the most severe in the country's history, 50% of the population fell into poverty. A rapid growth in exports propitiated by NAFTA and other trade agreements, and the restructuring of the macroeconomic finances initiated during Zedillo's and continued during Fox's administration had impressive results in the reduction of the povery rate. According to the World Bank, extreme poverty was reduced to 17,6% in 2004. Most of this reduction was done in rural communities whose rate of poverty declined from 42% to 27,9% in the 2000-2004 period, although urban poverty stagnated at 11%. One of the main contributors to the reduction in rural poverty, according to the World Bank, was in part the Oportunidades government program. However the main contributor to this reduction were the remittances of Mexican workers in the United States. In fact, remittances have become the second largest source of capital in the country.In view of that, the government has also started a program through which part of the remittances can be voluntarily invested in the development of infraestructure in the communities of the families receiving them. As of 2005 300 rural communities were participating and the government intended to have more than 1000 communities participating by 2006.

Source - Wikipedia



There you go buddy. Mexicans hurting America in 2 ways. One above, through remittance which destroys our economy and two below, through stealing jobs and destroying the value of everything they come in contact with.

A new study from the Center for Immigration Studies (SOURCE) is one of the first to estimate the impact of illegal immigration on the federal budget. Based on Census Bureau data, the study estimates that households headed by illegal aliens used $10 billion more in government services than they paid in taxes in 2002. These figures are only for the federal government; costs at the state and local level are also likely to be significant. Among the largest federal costs: Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion). The study also finds that if illegals were given amnesty, the fiscal deficit at the federal level would grow to nearly $29 billion. The estimated cost for the State of California alone is 10.5 billion dollars or $1183 per household. The breakdown includes $7.7 billion a year to school the children of illegal aliens; $1.4 billion toward providing health care and $1.4 billion is spent incarcerating illegal aliens criminals.

Economic and social costs of illegal immigration

The economic and social consequences of illegal immigration across the 1,940 mile long America-Mexico border are staggering.

An average of 10,000 illegal aliens cross the border every day - over 3 million per year. A third will be caught and many of them immediately will try again. About half of those remaining will become permanent U.S. residents (3,500 per day).

Currently there are an estimated 9 to 11 million illegals in the U.S., double the 1994 level. A quarter-million illegal aliens from the Middle-east currently live in the U.S, and a growing number are entering by crossing the Mexican border.

FAIR research suggests that "between 40 and 50 percent of wage-loss among low-skilled Americans is due to the immigration of low-skilled workers. Some native workers lose not just wages but their jobs through immigrant competition. An estimated 1,880,000 American workers are displaced from their jobs every year by immigration; the cost for providing welfare and assistance to these Americans is over $15 billion a year." The National Research Council, part of the National Academy of Sciences, found in 1997 that the average immigrant without a high school education imposes a net fiscal burden on public coffers of $89,000 during the course of his or her lifetime. The average immigrant with only a high school education creates a lifetime fiscal burden of $31,000.8

80% of cocaine and 50% of heroin in the U.S. is smuggled across the border by Mexican nationals. Drug cartels spend a half-billion dollars per year bribing Mexico's corrupt generals and police officials, and armed confrontations between the Mexican army and U.S. Border Patrol agents are a real threat. There have been 118 documented incursions by the Mexican military over the last five years.

Illegal aliens have cost billions of taxpayer-funded dollars for medical services. Dozens of hospitals in Texas, New Mexico Arizona, and California, have been forced to close or face bankruptcy because of federally-mandated programs requiring free emergency room services to illegal aliens. Taxpayers pay half-a-billion dollars per year incarcerating illegal alien criminals.

Immigration is a net drain on the economy; corporate interests reap the benefits of cheap labor, while taxpayers pay the infrastructural cost. FAIR research shows "the net annual cost of immigration has been estimated at between $67 and $87 billion a year. The National Academy of Sciences found that the net fiscal drain on American taxpayers is between $166 and $226 a year per native household. Even studies claiming some modest overall gain for the economy from immigration ($1 to $10 billion a year) have found that it is outweighed by the fiscal cost ($15 to $20 billion a year) to native taxpayers."




Now do yourself a favor and shut up. If you weren't too lazy to check the links in my signature, I wouldn't have to place this information up here because it's all right in the signature links!

Get a clue buddy. The city I live in was 95% white 20 years ago. Today it is 90% hispanic 5% white and 5% other. About 7-8 years ago, the city went bankrupt from lack of taxes because more than half the city was on welfare and all the 16 year old hispanic girls were pregnant. The school system was taken over by the state. The high school I went to was so overcrowded that teachers actually had offices in closets. The school was designed for 1000 students and had 1600.. English was not spoken by most, most of the signs are in spanish, and most of the people couldn't speak english. So please, just stfu because you haven't got a clue as to what problems these people cause, you "champion" of the down trodden in *words* alone. Start giving away your possessions and your money and your job if you want to help them so bad you hypocrite, otherwise shut up.

 

[MrFungus420]

I´m sorry, but could you tell me whats wrong with my post ?

In a debate forum, you have to have something that can be discussed.

All that you did was give a link to a website.

If you would have said something like "I think that illegal immigration is wrong because...., and you can find more information about it here (give website)", then you would have been fine.

 

[talloulou]

What's your point here whitey? Why are you against illegal immigration. we're all ultimately immigrants who came here seeking freedom, liberty, and a damn job, so why can't they?

We were not all at one point illegal aliens which is considerably different, in my opinion, from an immigrant.

They are a real contributing part of our economy. So what's your problem with them?

I'd disagree. I think they cost way more than they contribute. Got any facts to back up your claim that they contribute to our economy rather than placing a burden on our economy? Have you looked at school statistics in cities where there are high numbers of illegal aliens? Many illegal aliens are registered in schools that then have to deal with their English as a second language status....meanwhile in most cases their parents are paying zero taxes. I'd call that a burden.

Plus there are tons of people on waiting lists from other countries so they can become legal immigrants. Why should illegal aliens be put ahead of these people, some of which have been waiting for years? Since when do we allow people to illegally invade our country and demand citizenship?

I'm not sure what to do about this problem. I certainly am compassionate for those who want to leave Mexico. The parts of Mexico I visited were not places I'd ever want to live. But at the same time to say that there is no problem seems to me like you're sticking your head in the sand. And to just have completely open borders doesn't seem like a particularly good idea either.

 

[alienken]

In a debate forum, you have to have something that can be discussed.

All that you did was give a link to a website.

If you would have said something like "I think that illegal immigration is wrong because...., and you can find more information about it here (give website)", then you would have been fine.

Well it does look like White's post sparked debate.

 

[alienken]

I live in Southern California. Care to venture a guess as to what language was spoken in this area 200 years ago? It wasn't English.

I grew up and spent most of my life condemning the Iron Curtain and Berlin Wall. And I am certainly not in favor of re-constructing it here! Your statements are racist and totally FOS. Why don't you show proof of their affect on our infrastructure. Prove what you say before shooting your god-damn mouth off!

You really need to take this plaque down before you start talking your racist hatred.

1).I live in Texas. This definitely used to be Mexico.All I have to say about it is this-- "Remember the ALAMO!!!" 2). We are one of the few countries that do not strictly enforce their borders. We are a sovereign country that has an actual border. Our elected officials decided that as a society we can handle only so many legal immigrants. 3). Why is it racist to want our laws enforced?