How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been [W:3]

[wist43]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

Your evading. I asked a simple question.

So what does Operation Bojinka prove?

That you're trying to change the subject.

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

strawman question. You know the answer. Even if none were taken 9/11/2001 does that prove or not prove anything other than no samples were taken.

A better question is did any of the nuclear event detection systems pick any thing up that day?

That's pretty much the point Mike--you cannot prove there was not a radiation event, and I cannot prove there was one.

Because the head of the EPA strongly implied she had tested the air and it was fine to breathe, which it was not, it is an easy step to take to understand that she tested NEITHER the air NOR any radiation.

But there is ample circumstantial evidence that some unusual radiation present. From reports of dripping skin to reports of humans engulfed in fireballs, to strangely damaged vehicles by the hundreds on the streets to strangely UNBURNT paper to reports of nuclear decontamination protocol in place. And of course the radiation sicknesses shown by many.

All these things come together to strongly suggest there was a radiation event there. That the government would cover it up is normal and to be expected.

 

[mike2810]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

That's pretty much the point Mike--you cannot prove there was not a radiation event, and I cannot prove there was one.

Because the head of the EPA strongly implied she had tested the air and it was fine to breathe, which it was not, it is an easy step to take to understand that she tested NEITHER the air NOR any radiation.

But there is ample circumstantial evidence that some unusual radiation present. From reports of dripping skin to reports of humans engulfed in fireballs, to strangely damaged vehicles by the hundreds on the streets to strangely UNBURNT paper to reports of nuclear decontamination protocol in place. And of course the radiation sicknesses shown by many.

All these things come together to strongly suggest there was a radiation event there. That the government would cover it up is normal and to be expected.

The point is the evidence we agree on does not point to a radiation event. We have discussed this before. The air studies , the water samples research all points to a non nuclear event.

 

[Mark F]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

That you're trying to change the subject.

Not at all. Bojinka is absolutely relevant to the subject at hand. Why don't you want to answer the question?

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

Northwoods proves that our military hierarchy have themselves considered using planes in such a way as a false flag. They didn't follow thru with it then, but it was sure brought up as a serious possibility.

Gladio and the '93 WTC Bombing are the best real world, tangible examples of the U.S. Government engaging in false flag activities that led to the deaths of innocent civilians. The '93 WTC Bombing was a one-off event, but Emad Salem's audio and video recordings are irrefutable proof. The government was also fully informed leading up to the Oklahoma City Bombing, as was proven during the Carol Howe trial.

Gladio on the other hand has a decades long record of supporting terrorism, and committing terrorist acts themselves. This is not in dispute as there has been enough irrefutable proof uncovered and court testimony to support it. At least 2 potential Gladio terrorists who agreed to testify against the apparatus they were part of were found hung in their jail cells, but Vincenzo Vinciguerra's case made it to trial as well as a few other public officials within the Italian government - all were found guilty, but only Vinciguerra ended up doing the time, as the NATO allies behind the terrorism whisked them off to safety and cheated their comeuppance.

Apologists for the government can't refute any of this, so they predictably resort to trying to drag the discussion into the mud.

Well-said.

There you go, Mark.

 

[Mark F]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

Well-said.

There you go, Mark.

So you are capitulating on Operation Northwoods being an example of the U.S. government committing false flag attacks on its own citizenry then?

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

So you are capitulating on Operation Northwoods being an example of the U.S. government committing false flag attacks on its own citizenry then?

No, because that is not what he said. Did you even read what he wrote?

 

[Mark F]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

No, because that is not what he said. Did you even read what he wrote?

I'm still trying to get an answer out of you based on our discussion from yesterday. Wist43 is currently engaging in a different deliberate evasion.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

So you are capitulating on Operation Northwoods being an example of the U.S. government committing false flag attacks on its own citizenry then?

Northwoods proves that our military hierarchy have themselves considered using planes in such a way as a false flag. They didn't follow thru with it then, but it was sure brought up as a serious possibility.

:coffeepap:

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

I'm still trying to get an answer out of you based on our discussion from yesterday. Wist43 is currently engaging in a different deliberate evasion.

It proves the military-industrial complex is rogue and criminal. Attacking civilians is a war crime. I'm sure that conspiring to do so is a war crime as well.

 

[Mark F]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

Still trying to get a clear, direct, non-evasive answer out of you.

 

[braindrain]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been [W

That's pretty much the point Mike--you cannot prove there was not a radiation event, and I cannot prove there was one.

Because the head of the EPA strongly implied she had tested the air and it was fine to breathe, which it was not, it is an easy step to take to understand that she tested NEITHER the air NOR any radiation.

But there is ample circumstantial evidence that some unusual radiation present. From reports of dripping skin to reports of humans engulfed in fireballs, to strangely damaged vehicles by the hundreds on the streets to strangely UNBURNT paper to reports of nuclear decontamination protocol in place. And of course the radiation sicknesses shown by many.

All these things come together to strongly suggest there was a radiation event there. That the government would cover it up is normal and to be expected.

So HD tell us exactly how dropping skin is an example of radiation. How are humans engulfed as fireballs an example of radiation, how are strangely damaged vehicles examples of radiation. How is unburnt paper an example of radiation.

Stop just making vague claims ant tell us what exactly leads you to claim this was a nuclear event.

 

[Mark F]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been [W

So HD tell us exactly how dropping skin is an example of radiation. How are humans engulfed as fireballs an example of radiation, how are strangely damaged vehicles examples of radiation. How is unburnt paper an example of radiation.

Stop just making vague claims ant tell us what exactly leads you to claim this was a nuclear event.

There was no nuclear event. Henry is the last person on earth who could provide evidence of an event even if it did happen (which it didn't) so this is so much :beatdeadhorse

 

[braindrain]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been [W

There was no nuclear event. Henry is the last person on earth who could provide evidence of an event even if it did happen (which it didn't) so this is so much :beatdeadhorse

Oh I agree completely. It is just fun watching him flap around like a fish out of water pretending he knows what he is talking about. But yet getting everything so wrong. But wait. I bet he talked to a guy at a bar once who told him the inside secrets.

 

[wist43]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

I'm still trying to get an answer out of you based on our discussion from yesterday. Wist43 is currently engaging in a different deliberate evasion.

lol... you're something else Mark.

You quote my post which proves you wrong, and you try to bring up another subject entirely in an effort to avoid admitting you're wrong - you're the one who is being evasive, and have the gall to say I'm being evasive??

Acknowledge that Gladio and WTC '93 are prime examples of the U.S. engaging in false flag operations, and we can move on to something else, but until you cry uncle on the subject you are beaten on, there's no point in indulging you.

 

[Mark F]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

lol... you're something else Mark.

You quote my post which proves you wrong, and you try to bring up another subject entirely in an effort to avoid admitting you're wrong - you're the one who is being evasive, and have the gall to say I'm being evasive??

Acknowledge that Gladio and WTC '93 are prime examples of the U.S. engaging in false flag operations, and we can move on to something else, but until you cry uncle on the subject you are beaten on, there's no point in indulging you.

Proves me wrong about what? I had no point to be wrong about. I asked a question. You have been going out of your way to avoid answering the question. Whether or not Gladio and the 1993 WTC bombing are "prime examples of false flags" is of no particular interest to me at this time (ie: I have already moved on) and my opinion of your opinion of either is not pertinent to the question I asked of you.

So what does Operation Bojinka prove?

 

[wist43]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

Proves me wrong about what? I had no point to be wrong about. I asked a question. You have been going out of your way to avoid answering the question. Whether or not Gladio and the 1993 WTC bombing are "prime examples of false flags" is of no particular interest to me at this time (ie: I have already moved on) and my opinion of your opinion of either is not pertinent to the question I asked of you.

So what does Operation Bojinka prove?

You were arguing that there is no proof that the U.S. Government engages in false flags. You are wrong, and I gave 2 definitive examples that show you are wrong.

In chess that would be called "check mate", but you want to keep moving pawns around on the board even after you've lost, lol...

 

[Mark F]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

You were arguing that there is no proof that the U.S. Government engages in false flags. You are wrong, and I gave 2 definitive examples that show you are wrong.

In chess that would be called "check mate", but you want to keep moving pawns around on the board even after you've lost, lol...[/QUOTE]

Even as ambiguously as you framed it, I never made that argument so I do not intend to chase your (probably deliberate) strawman. You just don't want to answer a simple question, for the same reason Abbazorkzog keeps dancing around the specifically framed question I asked him.

So once again, what does Operation Bojinka prove?

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

The point is the evidence we agree on does not point to a radiation event. We have discussed this before. The air studies , the water samples research all points to a non nuclear event.

Only if one is willfully ignorant could that be true. Mr. Tartaglia, RIP, reported nuclear decontamination protocols in place. The American Chemical Society discussed Elevated Tritium Levels at WTC in its April 2002 meeting in Orlando.

At least in theory, there are such things as "radiologically clean" events.

Shirley Hoofard working for the Red Cross, interviewed several people who had seen people engulfed in fireballs. A USGS crew collecting samples at 35 locations within a 1 km radius of WTC found, among other things, Thorium at levels 6 times greater than the lowest levels they detected.

The strange damage done to hundreds of vehicles.

It was there Mike, but its exact type and strength cannot be known because conveniently our boys at FEMA and EPA either did not bother to measure it, or kept the information suppressed. It was there, but you have convinced yourself it was not.

 

[Mark F]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

Only if one is willfully ignorant could that be true. Mr. Tartaglia, RIP, reported nuclear decontamination protocols in place. The American Chemical Society discussed Elevated Tritium Levels at WTC in its April 2002 meeting in Orlando.

At least in theory, there are such things as "radiologically clean" events.

Shirley Hoofard working for the Red Cross, interviewed several people who had seen people engulfed in fireballs. A USGS crew collecting samples at 35 locations within a 1 km radius of WTC found, among other things, Thorium at levels 6 times greater than the lowest levels they detected.

The strange damage done to hundreds of vehicles.

It was there Mike, but its exact type and strength cannot be known because conveniently our boys at FEMA and EPA either did not bother to measure it, or kept the information suppressed. It was there, but you have convinced yourself it was not.

Ummmm,... so what?

 

[mike2810]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

Only if one is willfully ignorant could that be true. Mr. Tartaglia, RIP, reported nuclear decontamination protocols in place. The American Chemical Society discussed Elevated Tritium Levels at WTC in its April 2002 meeting in Orlando.

At least in theory, there are such things as "radiologically clean" events.

Shirley Hoofard working for the Red Cross, interviewed several people who had seen people engulfed in fireballs. A USGS crew collecting samples at 35 locations within a 1 km radius of WTC found, among other things, Thorium at levels 6 times greater than the lowest levels they detected.

The strange damage done to hundreds of vehicles.

It was there Mike, but its exact type and strength cannot be known because conveniently our boys at FEMA and EPA either did not bother to measure it, or kept the information suppressed. It was there, but you have convinced yourself it was not.

" In Theory" in lies your problem. It would be better to deal with reality and facts.:mrgreen:

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

" In Theory" in lies your problem. It would be better to deal with reality and facts.:mrgreen:

Yes, they are so easy to alter! :mrgreen:

 

[mike2810]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

Yes, they are so easy to alter! :mrgreen:

VeternsToday should know.:lamo

 

[mike2810]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

Yes, they are so easy to alter! :mrgreen:

As demonstrated by many of the alternative explanations. provided by the likes of Gage, Prager, DRG, etc. :lamo

 

[AFM]

Re: How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been pr

Who cares who or what brought down the twin towers, whether it was the so called terrorists or the US government as this thread is alluding too, if it was the so called terrorists the US deserved it from the mess they have created over the last sixty years in the Middle East, or the US government who are a law unto themselves and use their citizens as they wish