[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

[Big Eye]

British fishermen sold their quotas to the French. Most of what we catch is exported to Europe.

You’d sell your quotas to the French if your waters were being systematically raped too.

 

[joluoto]

That demonstrates that you don’t know how an economy works. Even imported goods can improve the economy of the country doing the importing. It’s about balance, and U.K./EU trade is massively out of balance.

You said it: balance. As there has to be both import and export in a trade partnership. In the eyes of the Trump administration balance is bs though. For them every export is a win, and every import a loss. That's why BoJo isn't talking about a Great Deal with the US anymore, he knows he won't get one. At least not with Trump in charge.

One of the most important things you have to do when you negotiate trade with the US is to not sign away your NHS. Any US administration would put clause about health care competition on free market grounds in their first draft. With a decent administration in the White House this clause would be negotiated away by the British team during negotiations as the first draft gives way tothe second, then the third, fourth and fifth and so one until the actual treaty is ready.However with the Trump administration the first draft will be a "take it or leave it" deal, they like the idea of being tough and force their will on others, and that everyone should just do as they say. It's an "all or nothing" approach. BoJo has dealt with Trump enough to know this about him and his government, so he probably won't even try to get a deal with the US if Trump wins again.

 

[Big Eye]

You said it: balance. As there has to be both import and export in a trade partnership. In the eyes of the Trump administration balance is bs though. For them every export is a win, and every import a loss. That's why BoJo isn't talking about a Great Deal with the US anymore, he knows he won't get one. At least not with Trump in charge.

One of the most important things you have to do when you negotiate trade with the US is to not sign away your NHS. Any US administration would put clause about health care competition on free market grounds in their first draft. With a decent administration in the White House this clause would be negotiated away by the British team during negotiations as the first draft gives way tothe second, then the third, fourth and fifth and so one until the actual treaty is ready.However with the Trump administration the first draft will be a "take it or leave it" deal, they like the idea of being tough and force their will on others, and that everyone should just do as they say. It's an "all or nothing" approach. BoJo has dealt with Trump enough to know this about him and his government, so he probably won't even try to get a deal with the US if Trump wins again.

I agree it’s about balance...that’s one reason why we have left the EU. You leftists look for any reason to slag off Trump, as you have here, but the truth is he’s been in power 4 years and our trade balance with the US is great from a U.K. perspective.

International Trade

www.census.gov

As for the NHS it generally performs below average and needs a shake up...I know people that work within it and they agree with me. It has become a form of religion to the left , who worship at its feet...it’s almost as if we have become servants to it rather than it serve us. Time for change, a bit of competition will do it good.

 

[Ginza]

Name a benefit of leaving for an average Briton, not a vulture capitalist.

More available jobs and less demand for rental properties and hence lower rents.

That is besides the massive advantage of Brits making decisions that affect Brits and the fact that they will now be able to control who works in their country.

 

[Ginza]

What onerous conditions? Can you name them?

Er, why not use Google to find out about the ridiculous claims the EU thinks it has to British fishing waters?

They also crazily believe Britain should pay them fees, for what I don't know as they benefit more from the UK being in the EU than the UK does.

 

[Ginza]

Things like medical care of existing expats in the EU needs payment for.. and many more things.

Why? They should take care of themselves if they choose to leave the UK. Your extreme left-wing socialist views are showing again.

Hell airline access to the EU needs payment for..

You have no idea how the airline business works. Your views regarding business are as uninformed as an academic who has never worked in commerce.
Airlines make their own arrangements with airports regarding use of their facilities.

Why not do some research before posting?

 

[PeteEU]

Er, why not use Google to find out about the ridiculous claims the EU thinks it has to British fishing waters?

They also crazily believe Britain should pay them fees, for what I don't know as they benefit more from the UK being in the EU than the UK does.

LOL, where on earth did you read that? Right wing nationalist news are us?

 

[PeteEU]

Why? They should take care of themselves if they choose to leave the UK. Your extreme left-wing socialist views are showing again.

Wow, that is dark... very dark. And my views are hardly extreme left wing, it is being human in a law and order society. In other words, if you sign a contract then the person you wrote said contract with can change it as he or she likes?

You have no idea how the airline business works. Your views regarding business are as uninformed as an academic who has never worked in commerce.
Airlines make their own arrangements with airports regarding use of their facilities.

Why not do some research before posting?

And that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about safety regulations and insurance among other things. And the simple right to fly over Europe.. you do know you need permission for that right?

 

[Sven Karma]

... And the simple right to fly over Europe.. you do know you need permission for that right?

Not if you're flying a Brexit Spitfire ... shtooka shtooka .. eat lead you filthy huns!

 

[Big Eye]

Wow, that is dark... very dark. And my views are hardly extreme left wing, it is being human in a law and order society. In other words, if you sign a contract then the person you wrote said contract with can change it as he or she likes?



And that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about safety regulations and insurance among other things. And the simple right to fly over Europe.. you do know you need permission for that right?

You do know that European aircraft usually pass through British airspace to fly to the states?

And as for Ireland ...

 

[Peter]

This is where we announce the global tax for speaking English for everyone outside the UK.
Just £4 a word.

We're in the money!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ginza]

You do know that European aircraft usually pass through British airspace to fly to the states?

And as for Ireland ...

Whoops! Poor old Pistol Pete has obviously not thought things through...again.

 

[Ginza]

And my views are hardly extreme left wing, it is being human in a law and order society.

So instead on ranting on about how racist Btits are, why not look at your own society?

"Denmark has some of the most aggressive anti-immigrant policies in Europe" and "stands out among its neighbors for its reluctance to integrate even comparatively small numbers of foreigners".

An Island for ‘Unwanted’ Migrants Is Denmark’s Latest Aggressive Anti-Immigrant Policy

The prosperous Nordic country has enacted some of the harshest measures in Europe

time.com

Perhaps you would be better advised bringing more humanity to your own country.

 

[PeteEU]

So instead on ranting on about how racist Btits are, why not look at your own society?

"Denmark has some of the most aggressive anti-immigrant policies in Europe" and "stands out among its neighbors for its reluctance to integrate even comparatively small numbers of foreigners".

An Island for ‘Unwanted’ Migrants Is Denmark’s Latest Aggressive Anti-Immigrant Policy

The prosperous Nordic country has enacted some of the harshest measures in Europe

time.com

Perhaps you would be better advised bringing more humanity to your own country.

LOL if someone wants to debate Danish immigration policies then I am all for it.. I absolutely hate the policies.. but not many willing to do that.

 

[PeteEU]

Not if you're flying a Brexit Spitfire ... shtooka shtooka .. eat lead you filthy huns!

LOL.. you actually know why and what "Huns" mean? Saw a documentary about it and it is absolutely laughable that the British propaganda department started to use this in WW1.

 

[Ginza]

...where on earth did you read that? Right wing nationalist news are us?

Er, no, the left-wing BBC....one of the most respected news providers in the world.

"The EU wants access for its boats and says reaching a "fair deal" on fisheries is a pre-condition for a free trade agreement (a deal with no tariffs or taxes on goods between the two)"

"more than 60% of the tonnage landed from British waters is caught by foreign boats."

"the UK will soon have control over who can fish in its waters."

Brexit: Why is there a row over fishing rights?

Fishing licences near Jersey are threatening trade relations between the UK and France.

www.bbc.com

 

[PeteEU]

You do know that European aircraft usually pass through British airspace to fly to the states?

And as for Ireland ...

And so what? Lets see.. how easy is it to bypass that? Compare that to say a plane from London going east to Asia or the Middle East, or South to Africa... hell even South America would be a problem as the flight path takes it over Portugal.

And was never the point.. you did not have to leave the agreement, and could have easily done a deal.. but the British are dragging their feet as usual.

 

[Ginza]

LOL if someone wants to debate Danish immigration policies then I am all for it.. I absolutely hate the policies.. but not many willing to do that.

So why, if your own country has far more racist and anti-immigration laws than the UK, do you hypocritically accuse Brits of racism?

 

[PeteEU]

Er, no, the left-wing BBC....one of the most respected news providers in the world.

"The EU wants access for its boats and says reaching a "fair deal" on fisheries is a pre-condition for a free trade agreement (a deal with no tariffs or taxes on goods between the two)"

And? The problem is how the fishing stock is to be counted. Now the EU wants to use the current system, where as the British wants to use a different one. That is the problem.

"more than 60% of the tonnage landed from British waters is caught by foreign boats."

Yes and? Brits dont eat that much fish. Also the British fishermen have sold off fishing rights to foreign companies... what are you going to do about that?

"the UK will soon have control over who can fish in its waters."

Brexit: Why is there a row over fishing rights?

Fishing licences near Jersey are threatening trade relations between the UK and France.

www.bbc.com

Yes they will and it will be a huge problem. Why? Well empire.. some of the economic zone is based on British claims to small rocks in the middle of no where, and no one has complained about it yet... but hey that can happen.

The problem is simple.. French, Dutch, Danish and so waters are the hatchery areas of Europe, and the UK and further out, are where the adult fish live. Now this does mean that the UK has considerable power over this, but again the UK fishing fleet is small because... no one eats fish (relatively speaking). So you can have all those fish, but no where to sell them and not enough boats to fish them.. congrats!

What the article also forgets to mention, is that a huge portion of British fishermen's catches is sold in the EU, because no one in the UK want those types of fish. So that will basically kill off your fishing industry, unless you force Brits to change food eating habits.

And finally.. scrubbing a trade deal over an industry that accounts of 0.1% of GDP is a bit silly no? Cars matter far more to the UK economy and the British could not give a damn about them for some reason.. odd eh? Not to mention banking and other industries.. noo, lets focus on fish!.. pathetic.

 

[Manc Skipper]

You’d sell your quotas to the French if your waters were being systematically raped too.

So our fishermen win raped waters they already sold. Win win for Brexit. The Portsmouth fleet must be thrilled!

 

[Manc Skipper]

That demonstrates that you don’t know how an economy works. Even imported goods can improve the economy of the country doing the importing. It’s about balance, and U.K./EU trade is massively out of balance.

So cutting off your nose to spite your face is now official Johnson government policy.

 

[Godric1970]

And? The problem is how the fishing stock is to be counted. Now the EU wants to use the current system, where as the British wants to use a different one. That is the problem.



Yes and? Brits dont eat that much fish. Also the British fishermen have sold off fishing rights to foreign companies... what are you going to do about that?



Yes they will and it will be a huge problem. Why? Well empire.. some of the economic zone is based on British claims to small rocks in the middle of no where, and no one has complained about it yet... but hey that can happen.

The problem is simple.. French, Dutch, Danish and so waters are the hatchery areas of Europe, and the UK and further out, are where the adult fish live. Now this does mean that the UK has considerable power over this, but again the UK fishing fleet is small because... no one eats fish (relatively speaking). So you can have all those fish, but no where to sell them and not enough boats to fish them.. congrats!

What the article also forgets to mention, is that a huge portion of British fishermen's catches is sold in the EU, because no one in the UK want those types of fish. So that will basically kill off your fishing industry, unless you force Brits to change food eating habits.

And finally.. scrubbing a trade deal over an industry that accounts of 0.1% of GDP is a bit silly no? Cars matter far more to the UK economy and the British could not give a damn about them for some reason.. odd eh? Not to mention banking and other industries.. noo, lets focus on fish!.. pathetic.

the UK fishing waters the EU countries want access to are Scotland's maritime waters the only real fishing waters apart from Norway is worth a damn in Europe .... the English should worry more about access to our waters when we leave ... no more cod for your fish and chips

 

[Peter]

the UK fishing waters the EU countries want access to are Scotland's maritime waters the only real fishing waters apart from Norway is worth a damn in Europe .... the English should worry more about access to our waters when we leave ... no more cod for your fish and chips

Why would an independent Scotland refuse to sell fish to England, Wales or Northern Ireland?
That would be both petty and counterproductive.

 

[Godric1970]

Why would an independent Scotland refuse to sell fish to England, Wales or Northern Ireland?
That would be both petty and counterproductive.

no not sell allow fishing boats access to our waters unless a deal is struck .... can you honestly see a deal being done with Scotland and the rest of the UK when they can't even do one with the EU .... on the exit from the UK London will burn the bridges so to speak ..... both Tories and Labour threatened hard borders in 2014

 

[Godric1970]

English isn't your first language, comrade.

as you probably know English is derived from German .... middle English was German language