How will Biden repair US relations with former allies?

[Rostocker]

If we threatened to go to war with Germany your government would get on its knees and beg for forgiveness.

Lol

 

[Rostocker]

Quite simply, people who have no problem working with Putin have no room to cry about Trump.

Trump is a pedophile who raped his own daughter, a mafia thug and Trump is incapable to stick to deals.

When you have a deal with Putin yoh can be sure he holds it.

With Trump its better to go into full oppossition and show him openly what vermin he is. Merkel has positive results with this,

 

[Tigerace117]

Trump is a pedophile who raped his own daughter, a mafia thug and Trump is incapable to stick to deals.

When you have a deal with Putin yoh can be sure he holds it.

With Trump its better to go into full oppossition and show him openly what vermin he is. Merkel has positive results with this,

Of which there is no evidence whatsoever. Trump has plenty of rape allegations swirling around, but claiming he molested his own daughter without a shred of evidence is a bit despicable. Putin is an actual Mafia thug, and given his own(laughable) record on keeping to deals, your crying is rather amusing.

 

[Rostocker]

Of which there is no evidence whatsoever. Trump has plenty of rape allegations swirling around, but claiming he molested his own daughter without a shred of evidence is a bit despicable. Putin is an actual Mafia thug, and given his own(laughable) record on keeping to deals, your crying is rather amusing.

He said he would **** his own daughter. Thats absolute perversion.

Putin never broke contracts with us.

Beside that we have the experience that we achieve our goals when we xhose fundamental oppossition towards evrything Trump wants,

 

[Tigerace117]

He said he would **** his own daughter. Thats absolute perversion.

Putin never broke contracts with us.

Beside that we have the experience that we achieve our goals when we xhose fundamental oppossition towards evrything Trump wants,

Accusing someone of molesting their own daughter without a shred of evidence is despicable. There is no other way around it.

Putin didn’t ”break contracts” because he knows that European conservatives are eager to fawn all over him, and because the “contracts“ strengthen his own influence over much of Europe.

Again, one can’t cry about Trump and then turn around and pretend Putin isn’t so bad.

 

[Felis Leo]

Relations between USA and its former Allies broke down completly under the Trump administration.

France distanced itself from USA, with President Macron taking as much distance to Trump as possible, after his attempt to try build up a functional relation failed.

Even the UK distanced itself from USA, when Trump acted more and more erractic.

The biggest break happened between Germany and USA though. Merkel doesnt even talk with Trump anymore and swinged into a tactic to fundamentally oppose all his international proposals.

In his 4 year presidency Trump did not make a single official state visit to Germany, the 2nd strongest nation in the western block of nations. As revance Merkel said she wont attend his G7 meeting, which forced Trump to
cancel the show completly. This back and forth goes stronger each day but in last weeks Merkel switched to completly ignore him and hope he is gone soon.

Its said that Bidens most pressing work will be to reestablish the relations that Trump broke apart.

Reestablish working communication formats with Germany, France and other european allies. Start a apology tour most likely.

Some damage might be repaired but diplomats say, some is everlasting, because the lack of trust that was created from Trump.

At what point in history have you considered the United States to be Germany's friend or ally, Rostocker?

 

[bomberfox]

Honestly who cares what the rest of the world thinks of us. We don't need them. They will in time need us and as always, we will come running to help them.

They will buy our products, they will sell their products in our markets, they will continue to send their students to our universities and some of them will continue to bring their pregnant wives and girlfriends here to deliver simply for US Citizenship, yes I know that is a very small number.

When the pandemic is finally under control, travel will return to normal no matter who the President is.

France will continue to do business with US enemies as will Germany. I don't really think the UK distanced themselves from us as much as they have tried to distance themselves from the EU.

I get it, PotUS is not a nice guy, he doesn't do the socially acceptable thing and he's kinda obnoxious, but he put this country FIRST, something the President is supposed to do. The "Let's apologize for keeping the world safe" tour ended in 2016 and there are many of us who are happy it did and hope like hell it doesn't go on a reunion run.

No country has ever done everything alone.

 

[Rostocker]

Accusing someone of molesting their own daughter without a shred of evidence is despicable. There is no other way around it.

Putin didn’t ”break contracts” because he knows that European conservatives are eager to fawn all over him, and because the “contracts“ strengthen his own influence over much of Europe.

Again, one can’t cry about Trump and then turn around and pretend Putin isn’t so bad.

Your lack of knowledge shows again. Its mostly german socialists who lean towards energy projects with Russia.

 

[Rostocker]

At what point in history have you considered the United States to be Germany's friend or ally, Rostocker?

When i was a small kid in the late 1990th, early 00 years, relations were excellent

 

[Metric Mouse]

Nobody is afraid of USA either, thats why its allies so easily walk away from it as well.

Iran is calling. And Germany is on line two, wanting to know why the United States still has troops in its borders...

 

[TomFitz]

How is it not out of date? It was created to defeat the USSR; mission accomplished circa 1987.

The United States was withdrawing no matter what; Trump put the pedal to metal but he didn't drastically alter the direction the world was heading.

What will replace it? Who will be the architect? Too long for one post, there are several books on the subject, but basically it's not super great for anyone outside of China or the United States, unless major changes are started today, which almost no one is. No, it won't be stable; it will look alot more like the hundred years before 1950 than the hundred years after. Exciting times!

Sorry, but when FDR and Churchill signed the Atlantic Charter in 1941, containing and/or defeating the Soviet Union was not the primary goal.

The goal was establishing a world order dominated by the English speaking peoples (a coalition that was expanded to include the major continental European powers, including the Axis powers in the years after the war.

The network of trade, economic relations, and international banking agreements was about much more than containing the Russians. It was about establishing a stable global economy, stable currencies, and an open platform for international trade.

In the fifty years after WWII, that system helped cure disease, helped nations develop new industries and new markets, improved global public health and raised the standard of living of every human being in the planet.

That’s the legacy Trump has been repudiating in favor of the short sighted begger-thy-neighbor thinking.

You see it all over this thread. Most of these people could not find Germany on a map.

 

[TomFitz]

Iran is calling. And Germany is on line two, wanting to know why the United States still has troops in its borders...

Gee, since you think division and isolationism are good things (you said so), why would you even think about US troops being anywhere.

After all, if the US is going to quit being a world leaders, it has no need for an outsized and expensive military.

If Trumpsters want to go back to the polices of the Guilded Age, we can get by with the same military they had. A small army and a small coastal defense navy.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Sorry, but when FDR and Churchill signed the Atlantic Charter in 1941, containing and/or defeating the Soviet Union was not the primary goal.

The goal was establishing a world order dominated by the English speaking peoples (a coalition that was expanded to include the major continental European powers, including the Axis powers in the years after the war.

The network of trade, economic relations, and international banking agreements was about much more than containing the Russians. It was about establishing a stable global economy, stable currencies, and an open platform for international trade.

In the fifty years after WWII, that system helped cure disease, helped nations develop new industries and new markets, improved global public health and raised the standard of living of every human being in the planet.

That’s the legacy Trump has been repudiating in favor of the short sighted begger-thy-neighbor thinking.

You see it all over this thread. Most of these people could not find Germany on a map.

I think you're slightly mistaken. The system was set up to counter Russian/Communist influence and ensure American dominance of the planet (which is basically what you said.) You are absolutely right that the open trade relations, resource access, economic policies etc. have elevated billions of people up the standard of living curve; the problem was that the United States didn't need the system to thrive. It subsidized all of these systems for the entire planet, and in exchange had allies to counter other national superpowers. What no one ever asked was what happens when it works, and there are no other superpowers, the United States is the dominant force on the planet and there is no benefit for them maintaining the system basically singlehandedly?

With the fall of the USSR, the United States has little need for these allies, is not dependent upon the trade relations, does not need imported oil, has the most powerful economy and second greatest manufacturing base on the planet and a navy that ensures it can not only never be invaded but also easily project its power to anywhere on the planet anytime it chooses.

The United States was moving away from subsidizing the entire planet's trade economy for nothing; Donald Trump accelerated that, but didn't invent that. Hillary Clinton was smack talking global trade deals and foreign intervention as well when running for president in 2016; both sides are working in the same direction. Germany is just upset because they have nothing to offer the new world order, and will struggle without the United States propping up the current system.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Gee, since you think division and isolationism are good things (you said so), why would you even think about US troops being anywhere.

After all, if the US is going to quit being a world leaders, it has no need for an outsized and expensive military.

If Trumpsters want to go back to the polices of the Guilded Age, we can get by with the same military they had. A small army and a small coastal defense navy.

I never said it was good or bad. Just that it was historically normal, and very likely to become the normal again. The United States absolutely does not need the military it has; it keeps it because it can afford it and uses it to project power at the place and time of its choosing to keep conflicts far away from its own borders. Why is the United States the only country that has a military the strength that it does? Why should it subsidize global order for the planet and get nothing in return? These are the questions that will be answered in the next two decades or so, and a lot of countries are not going to like the answers, unfortunately.

 

[Rostocker]

Iran is calling. And Germany is on line two, wanting to know why the United States still has troops in its borders...

Iran is not scared. Infact Irans behavior is the strongest symbol of US collapse in international power. USA was unable to force its will regarding the sanctions on its former allies. When USA said that all sanctions are reinstalled, Germany, France and UK basicly told USA to go eat shit and sided with Iran. Something that never happened before. The weapon embargo felt down then and the only country that supported USA was Domenican Republic.

In the Sytem USA build, it gained international influence from the western block which spoke with one voice.

 

[TomFitz]

I never said it was good or bad. Just that it was historically normal, and very likely to become the normal again. The United States absolutely does not need the military it has; it keeps it because it can afford it and uses it to project power at the place and time of its choosing to keep conflicts far away from its own borders. Why is the United States the only country that has a military the strength that it does? Why should it subsidize global order for the planet and get nothing in return? These are the questions that will be answered in the next two decades or so, and a lot of countries are not going to like the answers, unfortunately.

No, it is not historically normal either. Not by any definition other than that those notions have very deep roots in American political culture.

If the US continues to drift into isolationism, and it withdraws from its own international institutions and repudiates others, the investment capital and the banking power will away from New York in favor of Frankfort, London and Beijing. That may happen anyway, to a degree, but isolationist like Trump and his mob will guarantee it.

If American leaders are going to be belligerant and truculent, the world will simply push the US to the side and move on.

Which is what European and Asian leaders are already doing.

 

[TomFitz]

Iran is not scared. Infact Irans behavior is the strongest symbol of US collapse in international power. USA was unable to force its will regarding the sanctions on its former allies. When USA said that all sanctions are reinstalled, Germany, France and UK basicly told USA to go eat shit and sided with Iran. Something that never happened before. The weapon embargo felt down then and the only country that supported USA was Domenican Republic.

In the Sytem USA build, it gained international influence from the western block which spoke with one voice.

That is true. The Trump Administration was warned that they would not have support if they blew up thier own deal.

It took Barack Obama some time to overcome the belligerant behavior of the Bush Administration in order to assemble the coalition to do the Iran nuclear deal.

Trump blew it up with a tweet. There was little doubt that US sanctions were going to collapse completely if there is a second Trump Administration.

Japan replaced the United States as the lead in the Trans Pacific Partnership.