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"How to put skin in the game of suicide bombers"

zimmer

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http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/skinofothers.pdf

I like Taleb (Nassim Nicholas), been following his stuff for years. I don't think he goes far enough on this one though.

Sometimes the answer is clear, as in the case of terrorism. You kill my family and think that you have impunity; I will make yours pay some price for it. Indirect responsibility isn’t part of the standard crime and punishment methodology of a civilized society, but confronting terrorists (who threaten innocents) isn’t standard either. For we have rarely in history confronted a situation in which the perpetrator of a crime has a completely asymmetric payoff, an upside from death while committing it.

Suicide bombers have nothing to lose... What to do?

Have their families pay.

I'd go further.
 
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I suspect that some suicide bombers don't have a choice. Such as Boko Harum using kidnapped little girls as suicide bombers. Others are drugged and dropped off in the middle of a market. As tempting as it might be, the trick is not to become like our enemies or worse and lose the moral high ground.
 
http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/skinofothers.pdf

I like Taleb (Nassim Nicholas), been following his stuff for years. I don't think he goes far enough on this one though.



Suicide bombers have nothing to lose... What to do?

Have their families pay.

I'd go further.

The Israeli do something similar by destroying houses of terrorists. Whether it works or not I have never really looked into.

But I do not think that the present evidence in today's killing is terrorism in the usual meaning. it does not appear to have been targeted or even a group action; more a bewildered crazy kid like the ones we know from other killings the only difference being the object of the hate, which was not the classmates and teachers, but ostentatious revelers.
 
http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/skinofothers.pdf

I like Taleb (Nassim Nicholas), been following his stuff for years. I don't think he goes far enough on this one though

Suicide bombers have nothing to lose... What to do?

Have their families pay.

I'd go further.

So you want to murder innocent people who had no connection whatsoever to a crime? If your brother commits a crime should I be able to murder you? I suppose for your it's just about killing as many muslims as you possibly can so you don't really care about silly things like guilt or innocence.
 
no punishing people who may be innocent is bad you seem to have a fetish for it its sick

Fetish for punishing innocent people? Really. How about some examples.

Restricting Muslim immigration and profiling isn't punishment. It's called survival, and protection of the citizens of this country.

Tell me, how would you like to put an end to the sort of mayhem that occurs at the hands of suicide terrorists? Talk?

Did you bother to read the comments of Mr. Taleb?

You've imparted a feeling that you aren't so keen on putting a halt to this idiocy, and actually provide avenues for such idiots to enter the country a'la Obama and other ridiculous Demokrats.
 
So you want to murder innocent people who had no connection whatsoever to a crime? If your brother commits a crime should I be able to murder you? I suppose for your it's just about killing as many muslims as you possibly can so you don't really care about silly things like guilt or innocence.

Where did I claim execution? Where did Taleb claim execution?
Nowhere.

Nice try... Hit the Hillary "reset" button... Never mind... You did... The thing doesn't work.

As you are.
 
Where did I claim execution? Where did Taleb claim execution?
Nowhere.

Nice try... Hit the Hillary "reset" button... Never mind... You did... The thing doesn't work.

As you are.

Of course you're talking about executions, don't try to pretend you're not full to the brim with irrational hate and a lust for blood. Do you think you're going to stop suicide bombers by giving their families written citations or a stern verbal warning? Even the god you worship, Senor Trump has called for their execution.

Detail for us how you'd punish the innocent family members of suicide bombers and bring about a new era of peace.
 
I hate to break it to you zimmer, but your role model there hardly invented the scheme. The Nazis employed sippenhaftung en masse. That must be quite the wet dream of yours.
 
Fetish for punishing innocent people? Really. How about some examples.

Restricting Muslim immigration and profiling isn't punishment. It's called survival, and protection of the citizens of this country.

Tell me, how would you like to put an end to the sort of mayhem that occurs at the hands of suicide terrorists? Talk?

Did you bother to read the comments of Mr. Taleb?

You've imparted a feeling that you aren't so keen on putting a halt to this idiocy, and actually provide avenues for such idiots to enter the country a'la Obama and other ridiculous Demokrats.

If the only way America survives is to murder innocent people, then I hope America does not survive.

The minute you abandon decency out of fear...you instantly become a coward.

'It's better to be dead and cool. Then alive and uncool'. FAR better.


And save your reply, it will be ignored as I have NO RESPECT WHATSOEVER for your opinion on this subject.
 
Fetish for punishing innocent people? Really. How about some examples.

Restricting Muslim immigration and profiling isn't punishment. It's called survival, and protection of the citizens of this country.

Tell me, how would you like to put an end to the sort of mayhem that occurs at the hands of suicide terrorists? Talk?

Did you bother to read the comments of Mr. Taleb?

You've imparted a feeling that you aren't so keen on putting a halt to this idiocy, and actually provide avenues for such idiots to enter the country a'la Obama and other ridiculous Demokrats.

Have their families pay.

I'd go further.


are country wont survive as we know it if your held responsible for the crimes of other people you are not protecting are rights you cant be trusted with are lives

you dont put an end to violence in a free country you try to minimize it while acting justly back round checks and investigations are the right way to go maybe stricter gun control laws
 
http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/skinofothers.pdf

I like Taleb (Nassim Nicholas), been following his stuff for years. I don't think he goes far enough on this one though.



Suicide bombers have nothing to lose... What to do?

Have their families pay.

I'd go further.

Cowards always reveal themselves. They are the ones who will sell their rights or their morality for a tiny bit more security. They are so wrapped up in their fear that anything that might make them feel the tiniest bit safer is welcome. Their cowardice makes them less than they could be, and they then try and convince others to be less than their potential as well, so they are not alone. Nassim Nicholas is just such a coward, as evidenced by his words here.

**** all this noise. I am not letting terrorists change me, not what I think is right. I am not going to live in fear.
 
Cowards always reveal themselves. They are the ones who will sell their rights or their morality for a tiny bit more security. They are so wrapped up in their fear that anything that might make them feel the tiniest bit safer is welcome. Their cowardice makes them less than they could be, and they then try and convince others to be less than their potential as well, so they are not alone. Nassim Nicholas is just such a coward, as evidenced by his words here.

**** all this noise. I am not letting terrorists change me, not what I think is right. I am not going to live in fear.

You support an ideology that uses the government to steal from others for... "Security". And you support the use of government in this theft at every turn.

"Wrapped up in fear"? How dimwitted. We have a serious worldwide problem called Islamic Terrorism... Which kills people in bunches. And it has to be solved.

I guess you weren't one of those who said after 911... Never forget... Because if you did, you have forgotten.

Like your failure to understand the difference between "principle" and "principal", I believe you used a word... "Cowardice" for which you have no understanding.

Thinking about solutions to this problem isn't cowardice.

How do you stop these suicide terrorists?
Talk to them?
Bring more Muslims into the country?
Do what Obama did and continues to do... fail to identify the problem?

C'mon genius... How do you stop such idiots when they have nothing to lose? For them it's all upside, no downside... And dying isn't a downside... Not for those morons.

So grace us, if you will... With your massive intellect.
 
If the only way America survives is to murder innocent people, then I hope America does not survive.

The minute you abandon decency out of fear...you instantly become a coward.

'It's better to be dead and cool. Then alive and uncool'. FAR better.


And save your reply, it will be ignored as I have NO RESPECT WHATSOEVER for your opinion on this subject.

Who said murder innocent people? Taleb didn't... I didn't.
 
I hate to break it to you zimmer, but your role model there hardly invented the scheme. The Nazis employed sippenhaftung en masse. That must be quite the wet dream of yours.

Didn't say he was a role model, he's someone I enjoy reading. He's a pretty bright guy.

How do you stop these murderers? Those who have no downside, and all upside?
 
Of course you're talking about executions, don't try to pretend you're not full to the brim with irrational hate and a lust for blood. Do you think you're going to stop suicide bombers by giving their families written citations or a stern verbal warning? Even the god you worship, Senor Trump has called for their execution.

Detail for us how you'd punish the innocent family members of suicide bombers and bring about a new era of peace.

Hey Carnac... Or are you Nostrildamus... I didn't state anything about executions. Nor did Taleb.
 
You support an ideology that uses the government to steal from others for... "Security". And you support the use of government in this theft at every turn.

"Wrapped up in fear"? How dimwitted. We have a serious worldwide problem called Islamic Terrorism... Which kills people in bunches. And it has to be solved.

I guess you weren't one of those who said after 911... Never forget... Because if you did, you have forgotten.

Like your failure to understand the difference between "principle" and "principal", I believe you used a word... "Cowardice" for which you have no understanding.

Thinking about solutions to this problem isn't cowardice.

How do you stop these suicide terrorists?
Talk to them?
Bring more Muslims into the country?
Do what Obama did and continues to do... fail to identify the problem?

C'mon genius... How do you stop such idiots when they have nothing to lose? For them it's all upside, no downside... And dying isn't a downside... Not for those morons.

So grace us, if you will... With your massive intellect.

That is amazing. Every single assumption you make about me is wrong, and you never in any way addressed what I said. Well done Komrade!
 
That is amazing. Every single assumption you make about me is wrong, and you never in any way addressed what I said. Well done Komrade!

The beauty of speech is it leaves a trail... Yours is very clear. Now you don't seem to like your trail. Tough darts honey.

I made a couple comments about you, and you've been active here supporting and fomenting Socialist legislation at every turn, as a true "Very Liberal" type does. So... You support an ideology which uses the government to steal from and redistribute.

You do not believe we have a serious problem of worldwide Islamic Terrorism?

By your comments, you fit into the "I have forgotten 911" crowd.

So, how do you stop these suicide bombers?
Talk to them?
Bring more Muslims into the country?
Do an Obama and fail to identify the problem?

Once again Genius, how do you stop these assholes... When they have nothing to lose? Dying isn't a downside... Not for these assholes.

So... Quit the dodge and quit whining... Grace us with your massive intellect.
 
Hey Carnac... Or are you Nostrildamus... I didn't state anything about executions. Nor did Taleb.

Then explain to me what you would do to their families that would make them stop suicide bombings. Trump says murder. If you reject his plan, what's yours?

That is amazing. Every single assumption you make about me is wrong, and you never in any way addressed what I said. Well done Komrade!

He's completely incapable of defending his positions. He makes new threads for every blog he reads then when it comes to defending his beliefs he either will hurl insults or just ignore you.
 
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Then explain to me what you would do to their families that would make them stop suicide bombings. Trump says murder. If you reject his plan, what's yours?



He's completely incapable of defending his positions. He makes new threads for every blog he reads then when it comes to defending his beliefs he either will hurl insults or just ignore you.

Carnac,
You attempt to ascribe me a position I, nor the author I quoted from his upcoming... Book... Have stated support for. Murder is killing innocent people.

Defending what I believe is pretty easy. I'm consistent, was a Lib... And abandoned that illogical drivel for sanity, and haven't seen anything that would have me return to the insanity of the left.

I believe in foreign countries that are war zones... yes... If families are harboring terrorists, then they should expect they could very well be meeting their maker. Supporters of terrorists, family or not are fair game... When they harbor terrorists.

As for not replying... I don't reply to every scrap of dung that crosses my way... I've got a life outside of DP that requires... Time. And you?
 
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The beauty of speech is it leaves a trail... Yours is very clear. Now you don't seem to like your trail. Tough darts honey.

I made a couple comments about you, and you've been active here supporting and fomenting Socialist legislation at every turn, as a true "Very Liberal" type does. So... You support an ideology which uses the government to steal from and redistribute.

You do not believe we have a serious problem of worldwide Islamic Terrorism?

By your comments, you fit into the "I have forgotten 911" crowd.

So, how do you stop these suicide bombers?
Talk to them?
Bring more Muslims into the country?
Do an Obama and fail to identify the problem?

Once again Genius, how do you stop these assholes... When they have nothing to lose? Dying isn't a downside... Not for these assholes.

So... Quit the dodge and quit whining... Grace us with your massive intellect.

Komrade, how well is that make **** up strategy working for you? Seems like it is failing, as usual, as you desperately attempt to do everything but address what I actually said.
 
Carnac,
You attempt to ascribe me a position I, nor the author I quoted from his upcoming... Book... Have stated support for. Murder is killing innocent people.

Defending what I believe is pretty easy. I'm consistent, was a Lib... And abandoned that illogical drivel for sanity, and haven't seen anything that would have me return to the insanity of the left.

I believe in foreign countries that are war zones... yes... If families are harboring terrorists, then they should expect they could very well be meeting their maker. Supporters of terrorists, family or not are fair game... When they harbor terrorists.

As for not replying... I don't reply to every scrap of dung that crosses my way... I've got a life outside of DP that requires... Time. And you?

So for the 5th time you're refusing to answer how you would punish the innocent families of dead suicide bombers? You are such a coward. Grow a pair and answer.
 
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