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How to Control Inflation

It tends to drop with personal, but not government debt increases I believe, due to personal debt service. For government, it can keep borrowing and thus does not slow down.

Fixing personal debt will need three things 1. A less expensive environment for high cost purchases (housing, cars, college, etc) 2. People changing money habits 3. Higher household wages on average

for #1, we should probably decrease regulatory burden and look at supply issues, for #2, I have no clue, for #3, we need to stop rewarding corps that offshore jobs and do better at taxing/regulating bad company behavior
It’s the opposite, fixing personal debt requires a more expensive environment for high cost purchases. No one could afford to buy a 500,000 dollar house if mortgage rates were 17% and no one would lend money for college if the government didn’t guarantee loans
 
Actually, it's the FBI who goes after individuals who create money - - not the Secret Service. But your point is taken.

Banks create too much money because it is so easy for them. They just type some numbers on a bank ledger, hit ENTER, and POOF! - - billions of dollars magically appear - ready to be loaned.

Banks then lend out the (magical) money to the U.S. government which in turn offers securities to foreign investors (in the form of Treasury Bonds).

The whole thing is a scam. And unsustainable. We are now seeing the very real effects of too much money chasing too few goods (aka inflation).

You really need to change your information sources.
 
I like your ideas but given the low cost of labor in China and elsewhere why build anything in the USA?
I'd like to see us convert to a wartime footing like we did back in WWII. There were things we needed and things we didn't. We literally overnight went from producing Chevys Fords and Studebakers to making Jeeps, tanks, and cannons.

My grandfather worked in a factory outside of Santa Barbara that produced three bombers every 24 hours.

By God, if we need baby formula, let's ****ing build a baby formula factory in every goddamn state. If we need gasoline, let's get us some goddamned gasoline. If we need lumber let's find us some goddamned trees to cut down.

We can't do anything because . . .China? **** that!
 
I'd like to see us convert to a wartime footing like we did back in WWII. There were things we needed and things we didn't. We literally overnight went from producing Chevys Fords and Studebakers to making Jeeps, tanks, and cannons.

My grandfather worked in a factory outside of Santa Barbara that produced three bombers every 24 hours.

By God, if we need baby formula, let's ****ing build a baby formula factory in every goddamn state. If we need gasoline, let's get us some goddamned gasoline. If we need lumber let's find us some goddamned trees to cut down.

We can't do anything because . . .China? **** that!

Why build a baby formula factory here when it costs 10x because minimum wage laws, taxes, inflation, labor shortage, regulations, etc?

We went overnight from cars to tanks because the govt borrowed 100% of GDP, took over the factories and forced or bribed them. To fight NAZIs, fine. Because gas costs too much and people want cheaper furniture? No.
 
Only one way to control inflation. Cool off the economy. The Fed is going to do it by raising the cost of borrowed money. The trick is how to cool it off without throwing it into recession. Fed is not too good at that.
"Cool off the economy" is just another way of saying "damage the economy." NAIRU thinking has never worked before, and it won't work now.

The idea behind raising interest rates is to curb demand by making it more expensive to consume (and invest). I would love to hear someone explain why losing jobs is a good thing on balance.
 
Well the best thing to do would be to stop infusing trillions of debt into the economy. At least then it wouldnt get any worse. But theyve already added another 400bn in the first fiscal quarter just in federal debt, so thats unlikely. I dont even know where to find what the Fed is doing.
The government doesn't infuse debt into the economy. They infuse cash, and they infuse bonds, which are assets in our hands. You have this completely backwards.

And they infuse demand into the economy when there is a need. During COVID, government payments kept many people and businesses afloat. Europe did a much better job of that, we just shoveled money at big corporations that didn't need it, and they laid workers off anyway. Without that government aid, we would be in far worse shape. The economy is actually doing very well; inflation is a symptom of a hot economy.
 
If the U.S. dollar was still backed by gold, then money couldn't be created out of thin air like it is today. There would need to be physical metals locked in vaults to back each dollar being created. Reckless borrowing and spending would come to a screeching halt.

The reason Nixon took us off the gold standard in 1971 was so he could print funny money to pay for the tremendous monetary losses incurred in the Vietnam war. It was "intended" to be a temporary measure, but when they discovered that people still had faith in the U.S. dollar, they kept on printing and never looked back.

As the Fed pumps more and more money into the economy, the purchasing power of the dollar will continue to decline. This won't hurt people who are working and get raises periodically. But it really hurts the working class folks and the elderly on fixed incomes. They see their retirement savings being depleted by the inflation.
That's not how the gold standard worked. Reserves were backed by gold, not bank-created dollars. The only thing you get with a gold standard is banks bidding up scarce reserves, and interest rates going up because of that. We are far better off now, with reserves being created as needed and interest rates being both controllable and low.

Besides, when you run a trade deficit, you lose gold in settlement. Which is what happened to us before Nixon pulled the plug.
 
Who has them, then?
I do believe he's referring to the mindless spending the current administration has been pushing (they all do it but this one is so bad the media ate it's own tail over the past year defending it), funding a proxy war being the most recent... so in this case the Ukranian government technically... but thats a different topic.... that also partially answers the main topic.... instead of funding a proxy war caused by the USA/Nato's occupation of Ukraine, why dont we just cut out the middle man and fight Russia instead of pumping funds to both Russia and Ukraine.

Supposedly that 40B *referencing the Ukraine bill* would've also somehow been able solve world hunger *comments from Musk buying twitter* (despite it being supply chains that cause most of the worlds hunger) so perhaps it could even be used to trickle down away from politicians and their family to the citizenry who it was robbed from and to businesses who employ the citizenry and give us purpose... it might even keep people from from being unemployed worse disillusioned with a functional society causing them to rationalize burning down impoverished cities, "ghettos", and specifically targeting low income family run businesses during riots that lasted for months while law abiding citizens stayed home as mandated more out of fear of being the next "social Justice" death rather than caring about some slightly worse than flu virus that was hyped to be "spanish flu 2.0 insta death kill everyone but don't social distance or wear masks till months after the outbreak when it becomes politically convenient super mega virus"

Generating imaginary currency to pay our debts is a great solution we should just copy the german mark's verbatim, who gives a solitary shit about the concept of the mass homeless population begging for billions to buy a slice of bread to feed their whole family for a week if it means minimum wage for the few lucky enough to be employed outside of the military is in the trillions or hell quintillions. Yes our federal reserve is better without being tied to a tangible horde-able object, however it's a slippery slope to what became the 1930's German economy, which played a part in the events of the 1940's... many had "wealth" but it was demeaned so rapidly (via generating money solely to pay off debts and revitalize a crippled from ww1 economy) that the populous didn't have enough to survive off of, the promise of government handouts for doing a dictators bidding pushing even God fearing devout Christians to commit atrocities for their dictator who was seen as benevolent and emphatic leader who would right his predecessors wrongs... and left a powerful message about how a select few having control over the economy, media, politics, and the publics fears can make blood run in the streets while those in political favor enjoy luxury... seems eerie that history is littered with similar events... and even our present. We are lucky that our hyperinflations of post ww1 and the 1970's were mere footnotes in comparison, we are lucky that the third Reich happened and stands as such a powerful memory as it's kept our leaders from fully embracing evil.

The best solution was an idealist concept of a functioning two party system... which keeps getting kneecapped by both sides with one side getting more power temporarily and desperately doing everything it can to exploit it's fleeting control before it's lost. Wonder if Washington is looking down upon us in disgust over becoming a monster far more corrupt than the one his generation fought against in his time, I wonder if Andrew Jackson would be disgusted with the nation he governed embracing a world economy controlled by corruption after he struggled to stop a precursor of it back in his time at great cost to the very people he sought to protect from what he saw as a greater evil than war itself, I wonder if Reagan's solution would've worked if not for businesses being so used to being whipped back and forth with each changing tide in D.C.(and local gov't) leading to them hording gains instead of distributing them out of an presumption of not being able to continue to "trickle" down and possibly even going under trying to keep unions satisfied when D.C/local changes tunes and causes massive losses through regulation changes, fines, and taxes.
 
I do believe he's referring to the mindless spending the current administration has been pushing (they all do it but this one is so bad the media ate it's own tail over the past year defending it), funding a proxy war being the most recent... so in this case the Ukranian government technically... but thats a different topic.... that also partially answers the main topic.... instead of funding a proxy war caused by the USA/Nato's occupation of Ukraine, why dont we just cut out the middle man and fight Russia instead of pumping funds to both Russia and Ukraine.

Supposedly that 40B *referencing the Ukraine bill* would've also somehow been able solve world hunger *comments from Musk buying twitter* (despite it being supply chains that cause most of the worlds hunger) so perhaps it could even be used to trickle down away from politicians and their family to the citizenry who it was robbed from and to businesses who employ the citizenry and give us purpose... it might even keep people from from being unemployed worse disillusioned with a functional society causing them to rationalize burning down impoverished cities, "ghettos", and specifically targeting low income family run businesses during riots that lasted for months while law abiding citizens stayed home as mandated more out of fear of being the next "social Justice" death rather than caring about some slightly worse than flu virus that was hyped to be "spanish flu 2.0 insta death kill everyone but don't social distance or wear masks till months after the outbreak when it becomes politically convenient super mega virus"

Generating imaginary currency to pay our debts is a great solution we should just copy the german mark's verbatim, who gives a solitary shit about the concept of the mass homeless population begging for billions to buy a slice of bread to feed their whole family for a week if it means minimum wage for the few lucky enough to be employed outside of the military is in the trillions or hell quintillions. Yes our federal reserve is better without being tied to a tangible horde-able object, however it's a slippery slope to what became the 1930's German economy, which played a part in the events of the 1940's... many had "wealth" but it was demeaned so rapidly (via generating money solely to pay off debts and revitalize a crippled from ww1 economy) that the populous didn't have enough to survive off of, the promise of government handouts for doing a dictators bidding pushing even God fearing devout Christians to commit atrocities for their dictator who was seen as benevolent and emphatic leader who would right his predecessors wrongs... and left a powerful message about how a select few having control over the economy, media, politics, and the publics fears can make blood run in the streets while those in political favor enjoy luxury... seems eerie that history is littered with similar events... and even our present. We are lucky that our hyperinflations of post ww1 and the 1970's were mere footnotes in comparison, we are lucky that the third Reich happened and stands as such a powerful memory as it's kept our leaders from fully embracing evil.

The best solution was an idealist concept of a functioning two party system... which keeps getting kneecapped by both sides with one side getting more power temporarily and desperately doing everything it can to exploit it's fleeting control before it's lost. Wonder if Washington is looking down upon us in disgust over becoming a monster far more corrupt than the one his generation fought against in his time, I wonder if Andrew Jackson would be disgusted with the nation he governed embracing a world economy controlled by corruption after he struggled to stop a precursor of it back in his time at great cost to the very people he sought to protect from what he saw as a greater evil than war itself, I wonder if Reagan's solution would've worked if not for businesses being so used to being whipped back and forth with each changing tide in D.C.(and local gov't) leading to them hording gains instead of distributing them out of an presumption of not being able to continue to "trickle" down and possibly even going under trying to keep unions satisfied when D.C/local changes tunes and causes massive losses through regulation changes, fines, and taxes.
You can't hide a lack of understanding of economics under a mountain of words. But nice try.
 
Probably the best thing we can do, given the current situation being mostly caused by supply chain issues, is more domestic production and raw materials investment, investments in automated trucking (especially if trucker attitudes about safety regulations continue to be a problem), and finding more land to put ports on. This will not be a quick fix though.

I mostly agree. Inflation is caused by demand exceeding supply. Demand can be lessened by raising interest rates, but that (likely) leads to recession. Supply can be increased in many ways, some taking longer to achieve than others. The quickest way to increase supply is to reduce import restrictions, but that discourages domestic production.

I don’t see how domestic production (which requires using more energy) can be increased without first addressing the domestic energy (fossil fuel production and electrical grid capacity) shortage as step one in that process.
 
I mostly agree. Inflation is caused by demand exceeding supply. Demand can be lessened by raising interest rates, but that (likely) leads to recession. Supply can be increased in many ways, some taking longer to achieve than others. The quickest way to increase supply is to reduce import restrictions, but that discourages domestic production.

I don’t see how domestic production (which requires using more energy) can be increased without first addressing the domestic energy (fossil fuel production and electrical grid capacity) shortage as step one in that process.
The oil companies lost money with COVID and they are hesitant to ramp up. We probably need a dpa order in the short term while other energy production and storage methods continue to ramp up.
 
The analysis of Securities and Exchange Commission filings for 100 US corporations found net profits up by a median of 49%, and in one case by as much as 111,000%. Those increases came as companies saddled customers with higher prices and all but ten executed massive stock buyback programs or bumped dividends to enrich investors.
 
The oil companies lost money with COVID and they are hesitant to ramp up. We probably need a dpa order.

They are “hesitant” because the currently stated national energy policy is to use less fossil fuel ASAP. No more pipelines, no more refineries, no more federal land (or water) leases, increased regulatory barriers for ‘environmental’ reasons and pressure on lenders/investors to go “green” (instead).
 
They are “hesitant” because the currently stated national energy policy is to use less fossil fuel ASAP. No more pipelines, no more refineries, no more federal land (or water) leases, increased regulatory barriers for ‘environmental’ reasons and pressure on lenders/investors to go “green” (instead).
I very much doubt oil executives are so irrational as to believe that.

Refineries do more than create fuels for example, so the idea that they will all go away is absurd.

And honestly if that is the case, then perhaps a dpa order is the right way to go if the decline needs to be managed without creating a panic.
 
I very much doubt oil executives are so irrational as to believe that.

Refineries do more than create fuels for example, so the idea that they will all go away is absurd.

And honestly if that is the case, then perhaps a dpa order is the right way to go if the decline needs to be managed without creating a panic.

I should have said “no new” instead of “no more”. It’s not so much a decline in supply, but supply must increase to keep up with increased demand. Biden sees his mission as being to decrease fossil fuel demand (by causing prices to rise?), but that is not happening yet since motor fuel remains essential to keeping the supply chain running and for folks to get to/from work, stores and other activities.
 
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I do believe he's referring to the mindless spending the current administration has been pushing (they all do it but this one is so bad the media ate it's own tail over the past year defending it), funding a proxy war being the most recent... so in this case the Ukranian government technically... but thats a different topic.... that also partially answers the main topic.... instead of funding a proxy war caused by the USA/Nato's occupation of Ukraine, why dont we just cut out the middle man and fight Russia instead of pumping funds to both Russia and Ukraine.

Supposedly that 40B *referencing the Ukraine bill* would've also somehow been able solve world hunger *comments from Musk buying twitter* (despite it being supply chains that cause most of the worlds hunger) so perhaps it could even be used to trickle down away from politicians and their family to the citizenry who it was robbed from and to businesses who employ the citizenry and give us purpose... it might even keep people from from being unemployed worse disillusioned with a functional society causing them to rationalize burning down impoverished cities, "ghettos", and specifically targeting low income family run businesses during riots that lasted for months while law abiding citizens stayed home as mandated more out of fear of being the next "social Justice" death rather than caring about some slightly worse than flu virus that was hyped to be "spanish flu 2.0 insta death kill everyone but don't social distance or wear masks till months after the outbreak when it becomes politically convenient super mega virus"

Generating imaginary currency to pay our debts is a great solution we should just copy the german mark's verbatim, who gives a solitary shit about the concept of the mass homeless population begging for billions to buy a slice of bread to feed their whole family for a week if it means minimum wage for the few lucky enough to be employed outside of the military is in the trillions or hell quintillions. Yes our federal reserve is better without being tied to a tangible horde-able object, however it's a slippery slope to what became the 1930's German economy, which played a part in the events of the 1940's... many had "wealth" but it was demeaned so rapidly (via generating money solely to pay off debts and revitalize a crippled from ww1 economy) that the populous didn't have enough to survive off of, the promise of government handouts for doing a dictators bidding pushing even God fearing devout Christians to commit atrocities for their dictator who was seen as benevolent and emphatic leader who would right his predecessors wrongs... and left a powerful message about how a select few having control over the economy, media, politics, and the publics fears can make blood run in the streets while those in political favor enjoy luxury... seems eerie that history is littered with similar events... and even our present. We are lucky that our hyperinflations of post ww1 and the 1970's were mere footnotes in comparison, we are lucky that the third Reich happened and stands as such a powerful memory as it's kept our leaders from fully embracing evil.

The best solution was an idealist concept of a functioning two party system... which keeps getting kneecapped by both sides with one side getting more power temporarily and desperately doing everything it can to exploit it's fleeting control before it's lost. Wonder if Washington is looking down upon us in disgust over becoming a monster far more corrupt than the one his generation fought against in his time, I wonder if Andrew Jackson would be disgusted with the nation he governed embracing a world economy controlled by corruption after he struggled to stop a precursor of it back in his time at great cost to the very people he sought to protect from what he saw as a greater evil than war itself, I wonder if Reagan's solution would've worked if not for businesses being so used to being whipped back and forth with each changing tide in D.C.(and local gov't) leading to them hording gains instead of distributing them out of an presumption of not being able to continue to "trickle" down and possibly even going under trying to keep unions satisfied when D.C/local changes tunes and causes massive losses through regulation changes, fines, and taxes.

None of that matters to this discussion, our biggest issue at current is too much demand chasing too little supply. Basic economics, aggregate shifts entirely out of alignment causing inflationary pressure on just about everything.

BTW, Fiat money systems =/= "imaginary money" and Germany in the 1930s did a whole lot of stupid shit most of which has very little association to modern economics or the issue our nation (and several other nations) faces.
 
The government doesn't infuse debt into the economy. They infuse cash, and they infuse bonds, which are assets in our hands. You have this completely backwards.

And they infuse demand into the economy when there is a need. During COVID, government payments kept many people and businesses afloat. Europe did a much better job of that, we just shoveled money at big corporations that didn't need it, and they laid workers off anyway. Without that government aid, we would be in far worse shape. The economy is actually doing very well; inflation is a symptom of a hot economy.

The treasury issues securities, and the fed buys them. Thats debt. But hey, all this inflation is good. It means higher wages!

This economy is doing great narrative is a pretty interesting one though. Total denial in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
 

Some common sense ideas in here, and some ludicrous ones

-produce more
-stop spending
-cure covid
-free child care
-tax the rich
-more chinese goods and Fed interference
-less regulation
-more regulation
-what inflation?
-free healthcare

And my favorite: price controls! And these are so called experts. Some of them more govt is solution to more govt the problem.
I've got a better "common sense idea" to control inflation.

Stop electing Democrats. They have no idea how an economy works.
 
Ignore your personal experience, the sky is falling!!!

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