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How the wall will get finished... In 4 Easy Steps

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Mulvaney and Sen. Shelby revealed Trump will receive the money from other pots to complete the wall.

That’s key... and Mulvaney is a straight shooter.

So.

1. Trump signs the budget deal, gets peanuts for the wall, but enough for some construction. Trump employs funds Nancy and Chuck said he would never get.


2. He employs the additional funds for the wall from the other pots.


3. Law suits are filed... and lost.


4. By the time the funds appropriated run out, he’ll have access to the funds to complete the wall.


More Winning.
Sounds more like this:

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So you are now celebrating the possibility that the government is powerful enough to seize private citizens property with no legal recourse.

Doesn't sound very conservative to me...
I'm not "celebrating" anything. Dial back the hyperbole a bit, eh?

shrug...

I'm talking about the law. But I didn't pass it. Congress did.

If you have heartburn, take it up with them.
 

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So you are now celebrating the possibility that the government is powerful enough to seize private citizens property with no legal recourse.

Doesn't sound very conservative to me...
Eminent domain is in the Constitution somewhere.

You know that interstate highway you folks like to point to as Socialism. Yep... eminent domain.

Just think of The Wall as a Socialist Scheme. Oughta make you Lefties all warm and fuzzy inside... it is for “the people” after all.

You see... that is precisely what eminent domain is meant to be used for. Projects of national interest... which the wall is.

It’s not meant for shopping malls.
 
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Well... that makes a lot of sense.

This thread has witnessed a lot of Leftists failing epically.

They seem to be more lost than usual.
Lets start here......what other pots is he going to pilfer the money from that won't immediately end up in a court case?

You seem to be the lost one here......if he REALLY wants his wall that damned bad, he will pull the trigger on calling it a national emergency and get it over with. The problem is he really doesn't want it that bad, and even if he did, he knows hes not going to get it without simply stealing land from people to do it. Eminent domain is a bitch, and tends to make people mad when the government simply takes thier ****. So here he sits, pondering whatever should he do.....then the light comes on to him.....it doesn't matter. The wall isn't really the point for him. He simply has to LOOK like he is trying to do it and his base will amazingly blame others for his ineptitude and lack of basic knowledge on several topics, the least of which is negotiating.

In his eleventieth dimensional chess game, the President is currently trying how to turn a certain loss into any kind of win he can spin later to be larger than it actually is. He can't simply tip over his king and call it a day, but his options are really starting to dwindle and he is scrambling like a hamster on a wheel.

Someone should tell him to stop greasing the wheel with his own ignorance.
 

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It can't....can't for the Wall either.
I believe you folks are going to be receiving yet another civics lesson.

Your Leftist Activist Judges* have been overturned with regularity that is nearly, if not perfect.

*Aka... political hacks in black robes.
 

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Eminent domain is in the Constitution somewhere.

You know that interstate highway you folks like to point to as Socialism. Yep... eminent domain.

Just think of The Wall as a Socialist Scheme. Oughta make you Lefties all warm and fuzzy inside... it is for “the people” after all.

You see... that is precisely what eminent domain is meant to be used for. Projects of national interest... which the wall is.

It’s not meant for shopping malls.
Yep, it sure is....and has pretty strict limits on how it can be used. Mainly, the government can't simply come take your **** without justly compensating you for it. Guess who gets to decide what just compensation is in this instance. Heres a hint....its not the government. That is why people have been calling bull**** on the cost of the wall from the beginning....because none of those estimates have included paying people for the land. That alone will cause that proposed number to skyrocket to an untenable figure. Couple that with the standard overages that ALWAYS come with basically open ended government contracts, and its gonna be closer to 100B than the 35 or 40 that has been claimed.
 

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Lets start here......what other pots is he going to pilfer the money from that won't immediately end up in a court case?

You seem to be the lost one here......if he REALLY wants his wall that damned bad, he will pull the trigger on calling it a national emergency and get it over with. The problem is he really doesn't want it that bad, and even if he did, he knows hes not going to get it without simply stealing land from people to do it. Eminent domain is a bitch, and tends to make people mad when the government simply takes thier ****. So here he sits, pondering whatever should he do.....then the light comes on to him.....it doesn't matter. The wall isn't really the point for him. He simply has to LOOK like he is trying to do it and his base will amazingly blame others for his ineptitude and lack of basic knowledge on several topics, the least of which is negotiating.

In his eleventieth dimensional chess game, the President is currently trying how to turn a certain loss into any kind of win he can spin later to be larger than it actually is. He can't simply tip over his king and call it a day, but his options are really starting to dwindle and he is scrambling like a hamster on a wheel.

Someone should tell him to stop greasing the wheel with his own ignorance.
Mulvaney and Shelby have clearly indicated there are many pots from which the remaining 23 Billion for the wall will be found. I’m sure they could find another 50 Billion if they really wanted.

That’s comforting to know, is it not?

Trump will do what he needs to do in good time. First he must sign the budget. Then, at a time of his deciding, he will move on to Step 2.

Leftists might complain about eminent domain when it comes to national security, but that is nothing new. Leftists have never been advocates for nation defense, the military, Intel services... national security. These complaints and law suits are just part of the nuisance, of the Mosquito Politics of the Left.

We will hear a lot of buzzing off, but in the end, it’ll be little more than a small irritant. And the Mosquito will get smashed in the process.

Trump is not losing. He’s showing people how you win... on behalf of the citizens of the United States of America. Trump shouldn’t have to do this, but with an anti-American party as the opposition, he has chosen a legal alternative.

Too bad Democrats do not have the sense to uphold the promise of protecting the citizens against enemies foreign and domestic.

Unfortunately for Democrats, they have painted themselves as pro-Open Borders, and seem to think with 70,000 drug deaths, thousands of savage rapes and a couple thousand murders at the hands of illegal invaders annually... we have the right balance of criminality from those who should not be here.

I sense you are very frustrated knowing the wall will be constructed.

One day you will look back on this and realize you were 100% wrong. Take comfort in that.

You can thank me later for assuaging your concerns.
 
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Yep, it sure is....and has pretty strict limits on how it can be used. Mainly, the government can't simply come take your **** without justly compensating you for it. Guess who gets to decide what just compensation is in this instance. Heres a hint....its not the government. That is why people have been calling bull**** on the cost of the wall from the beginning....because none of those estimates have included paying people for the land. That alone will cause that proposed number to skyrocket to an untenable figure. Couple that with the standard overages that ALWAYS come with basically open ended government contracts, and its gonna be closer to 100B than the 35 or 40 that has been claimed.
Nice you understand Trump has the ability to use eminent domain.

It’s not for a shopping center. It’s for national security.

12 to 30-million illegal invaders is enough. It’s a crisis, and the poorest Americans are the ones who suffer most* from this invasion.

But, I know, Leftists don’t give a darn about the poor. If they did, the problem with illegal invaders would have been solved in 1986... as they promised.

*Actually those raped, murdered and the families of those who are killed by illegal drugs pouring over the border suffer most. Often it is the poor who get this extra dose of what must be almost intolerable suffering.

Democrats don’t care... obviously.

Thanks Democrats.
 

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I'm not "celebrating" anything. Dial back the hyperbole a bit, eh?

shrug...

I'm talking about the law. But I didn't pass it. Congress did.

If you have heartburn, take it up with them.
You sense the desperation from the Left? It’s thick.

Democrats never have been much for national security. This is just the latest example in a long sordid history of trying to undermine the security of the United States of America... that goes at least as far back as Vietnam.
 

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Mulvaney and Shelby have clearly indicated there are many pots from which the remaining 23 Billion for the wall will be found. I’m sure they could find another 50 Billion if they really wanted.

That’s comforting to know, is it not?
Well, they CLAIMED as much, but as per this administration, they provided very little in the name of actual concrete proof of that claim. So, yeah, color me skeptical that any of it would actually be legal.

Trump will do what he needs to do in good time. First he must sign the budget. Then, at a time of his deciding, he will move on to Step 2.
And as per the picture I provided you earlier in the thread, he himself probably doesn't even have the damndest clue what Step 2 is. He just gonna keep telling us about all the profit hes gonna get stealing people underpants without any plan of how to turn stolen underpants to profit. Consider me unimpressed.

Leftists might complain about eminent domain when it comes to national security, but that is nothing new. Leftists have never been advocates for nation defense, the military, Intel services... national security. These complaints and law suits are just part of the nuisance, of the Mosquito Politics of the Left.
Man, how in the world do you pick up that supersized ****ing broadbrush you are slinging around? Basically everything you said was poorly formed opinion at best. I guess get it how you live it?

We will hear a lot of buzzing off, but in the end, it’ll be little more than a small irritant. And the Mosquito will get smashed in the process.

Trump is not losing. He’s showing people how you win... on behalf of the citizens of the United States of America.
See, this is the sad place we find ourselves in.....when not being able to negotiate is overridden by simple thug tactics. Hes gonna TRY to do what he wants, but eventually, the reality of the checks and balances of the government are gonna bring his grand theft to a screeching halt. I just hope his sycophants don't lose it too bad and become threats to the general populace.

Too bad Democrats do not have the sense to uphold the promise of protecting the citizens against enemies foreign and domestic.
Says the guy supporting the potential Russian plant in the White House. Classic.

Unfortunately for Democrats, they have painted themselves as pro-Open Borders, and seem to think with 70,000 drug deaths, thousands of savage rapes and a couple thousand murders at the hands of illegal invaders annually... we have the right balance of criminality from those who should not be here.
Again, you missed the mark with that big ass brush. Not wanting a wall is not the same thing as being open borders.

I sense you are very frustrated knowing the wall will be constructed.
Your spidey sense needs recalibration then, because I'm not the least bit worried that he is gonna get a 2000 mile built EVER.

One day you will look back on this and realize you were 100% wrong. Take comfort in that.

You can thank me later for assuaging your concerns.
You've done no such thing. Don't break your arm trying to pat yourself on the back just yet.

Just promise me that when none of what you claimed is going to happen happens, you will stay away from high places, firearms, drug stores and your car. Don't want you hurting yourself or anyone else inadvertently.
 

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Nice you understand Trump has the ability to use eminent domain.

It’s not for a shopping center. It’s for national security.

12 to 30-million illegal invaders is enough. It’s a crisis, and the poorest Americans are the ones who suffer most* from this invasion.

But, I know, Leftists don’t give a darn about the poor. If they did, the problem with illegal invaders would have been solved in 1986... as they promised.

*Actually those raped, murdered and the families of those who are killed by illegal drugs pouring over the border suffer most. Often it is the poor who get this extra dose of what must be almost intolerable suffering.

Democrats don’t care... obviously.

Thanks Democrats.
I know he can TRY to use eminent domain. Its just gonna cost him WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than he originally claimed it would.

And for the last time, the wall isn't going to prevent the biggest problem we have with illegal immigration, which is overstayed visas.....some of them probably working at Trumps establishments.

I guess keep on keeping on though....it might be all you got left.
 

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I know he can TRY to use eminent domain. Its just gonna cost him WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than he originally claimed it would.

And for the last time, the wall isn't going to prevent the biggest problem we have with illegal immigration, which is overstayed visas.....some of them probably working at Trumps establishments.

I guess keep on keeping on though....it might be all you got left.
Overstayed visas account for only 40% of the 12 million illegal alien population. So no its not the biggest problem.
 

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I know he can TRY to use eminent domain. Its just gonna cost him WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than he originally claimed it would.

And for the last time, the wall isn't going to prevent the biggest problem we have with illegal immigration, which is overstayed visas.....some of them probably working at Trumps establishments.

I guess keep on keeping on though....it might be all you got left.
1. Cost overruns in government are the norm. It is how we have 200+ Trillion of debt and unfunded liabilities debt. Bad Socialist/Democrat schemes gone bad.

Unlike the social engineers, who had zero idea, or lied like hell... Trump has spent his life in construction.

It’s not designing and developing a stealth bomber. Nope... it’s simple.

It’s not redistributing wealth, claiming it will save money, and instead runs up debt like crazy and delivers half what was promised. Nope... it’s simple.

It is a wall. It’s digging, foundation work, and erecting said barrier. The costs are easily calculable, for that type of work has been done for ages, and through the ages.

It is very simple.

That is comforting to know, is it not?


I wouldn’t be surprised if The Wall under Trump comes in under budget.


2. Experts in the field have said walls work exceptionally well, and is the best solution to our problem.

It’s common sense really. Not a strength of the Democrat Party. Have you seen the Green New Deal? ROTFLOL... there is exhibit A in zero common sense, and it’s supported by most of your presidential candidates... ROTFLOL...

Walls are built all over the place, and have proven highly effective. Just ask most people in Congress who live behind them.

Now that I’ve assuaged your concerns... just kick back and watch the blinking lights!
 
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If Trump declares a national emergency, those eminent domain lawsuits will be rejected by the courts because of the provisions of the National Emergencies Act and because of previous laws passed by Congress.

btw, who do you think will challenge his ability to access Executive Branch money or declare a national emergency? Who do you think has standing?
The Courts will not side with Trump in his end around of Article 1. Sorry...not happening. In fact, its SO NOT HAPPENING THAT Senate Republicans are rejecting it. Ultimately, Trump will end up dealing with Eminent Domain because he will not get his National Emergency past anybody. He is no longer even likely to try it as there is too much risk in a publicly rebuke by GOP Senators followed by a rebuke in the Courts.

He will try shifting some funds which is also a likely fail but will allow Trump to keep up this illusion for his hordes. The illusion is all Trump is really interested in maintaining. The Wall Fight is far more important to DonDon than building an actual Wall. Trumpets just have not figured that out yet.
 
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LOL!!

It certainly can be used for the wall.

You really should get educated about the National Emergencies Act before you start talking about it.
You really should educate yourself on the Constitution and stay abreast of current events.
 

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Mulvaney and Shelby have clearly indicated there are many pots from which the remaining 23 Billion for the wall will be found. I’m sure they could find another 50 Billion if they really wanted.

That’s comforting to know, is it not?

Trump will do what he needs to do in good time. First he must sign the budget. Then, at a time of his deciding, he will move on to Step 2.

Trump is not losing. He’s showing people how you win...
Hahahaha!

Trump (and you) have one big problem and it is called incompetence. Even if able to come up with the money (which they will be stealing from something that is needed elsewhere), they will find a way of screwing it up somehow. Understand that neither Trump nor any of the people working for him are competent. Trump does not want anyone that is better than he is around him as they will make him look bad and all he has around him are "yes" men and more incompetent than he is.

Look at the picture below and understand that anything he does will turn out to be a disaster.

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