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How the Pandemic Defeated America

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How the Pandemic Defeated America (Ed Yong, Atlantic):
Ed Yong is one of the best health writers around. This is definitely worth a deep read.
 
It's sad to think of the lives that might have been saved had our government taken the virus seriously from the beginning.

I don't mean to gang up on Trump, but when he chose to downplay the virus to avoid a "panic," he was underestimating the public's ability to handle a crisis. After all, he, himself, didn't panic, so why did he think everybody else would?

We certainly didn't panic when 9/11 happened. Nor did we panic when JFK was shot, nor when Pearl Harbor was attacked.

Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but I'm just sorry we weren't really given a chance to get this virus thing under control as early as we could have.
 

i think one of the more harmful things was early on the CDC said that masks didn’t help and they didn’t advise people to wear them. So that when the position got reversed people saw it as a political things.
 
This is why Trump has to go. He couldn't have botched this any worse and we still have a long way to go.
 
i think one of the more harmful things was early on the CDC said that masks didn’t help and they didn’t advise people to wear them. So that when the position got reversed people saw it as a political things.

I agree it was harmful that the CDC said not to wear masks early on. Obviously new information came in that showed that mask wearing is a necessity. If Trump would have supported his experts with getting people to wear masks we would be in a much better position today. Instead, he showed his lack of understanding of how science works and created a polarized nation regarding mask usage.
 
i think one of the more harmful things was early on the CDC said that masks didn’t help and they didn’t advise people to wear them. So that when the position got reversed people saw it as a political things.

Crovax, when the CDC said that masks didn't help, I had just finished being one of the care-givers of a relative and wore a mask, so I knew good and well that it was just baloney. From that point on, I listened to everything they said with a healthy amount of skepticism.
 
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i think one of the more harmful things was early on the CDC said that masks didn’t help and they didn’t advise people to wear them. So that when the position got reversed people saw it as a political things.
But that's how science works. They gather evidence, make predictions, gather more evidence, make better predictions, and so on. That's just how accumulating knowledge always works. That process didn't point to anything political. What made it political was Donald Trump gambling that Covid would just go away on its own so that business closures wouldn't hurt his stock market numbers.

And it became hugely political when Trump persisted in downplaying the pandemic long, long after the CDC and almost all immunologists concluded that social distancing and masks were essential to slowing the spread. In Trump's White House, not wearing a mask is a sign of loyalty to the president--which is why the White House is a hot spot with two outbreaks within this last month.
 
Just a point of clarification: the CDC never said masks didn't work. (That was the surgeon general.) The CDC only said that they weren't necessary for non-essential personnel, except in certain circumstances. Press Briefing Transcript February 12, 2020. That recommendation changed within about 30-45 days of the start of the pandemic.
 

I didn’t say it WAS political I said it made it seem political.
 
i think one of the more harmful things was early on the CDC said that masks didn’t help and they didn’t advise people to wear them. So that when the position got reversed people saw it as a political things.
It wouldn’t have been political if Trump had put his full support behind mask wearing. Unfortunately for the country he did the opposite and encouraged the anti mask movement.

The CDC and other scientists acted correctly on the mask issue. At first, no one knew that people without symptoms could spread the virus. Most viruses are only transmissible when people have symptoms. Back then the proper course of action was to isolate people who had symptoms. Everyone else should be able to go about their business as usual. Masks were in short supply then and the logical course of action was to save them for hospital workers who have to deal with symptomatic people.

Unfortunately everything changed when scientists figured out that people without symptoms could spread the virus. That meant there was no way to figure out who needed to isolate and thus the need for everyone to wear a mask. That’s when the CDC and other scientists started recommending everyone wear a mask.

Unfortunately scientists do not possess God like omniscience. However, once they had the necessary evidence they quickly made the right decision. With Trump working against them though it’s been an uphill climb.
 
Trump has the most half-as*ed thinking on Coronavirus I have ever heard. "Corona, Corona, Corona, Corona. You know why we have so much Corona? Because we do more testing than anybody." So let's see--there 8 million people out there infected with Coronavirus who are spreading it like wildfire. But in Trump Fantasyland if we do no testing, statistically we have 0 cases of Coronavirus and we're in the clear. Meanwhile hospital ICU's are packed with so many COVID patients they're spilling out the hospital windows. But remember, under Trump's scenario if we didn't do any testing we wouldn't have any Coronavirus.
 

no the scientists acted silly. Other SARS transmitted asymptomatically that’s why Asia did so well in their COVID response. The CDC acted just like Trump in not wanting people to panic and it really hurt the country
 
no the scientists acted silly. Other SARS transmitted asymptomatically that’s why Asia did so well in their COVID response. The CDC acted just like Trump in not wanting people to panic and it really hurt the country
That is ENTIRELY a false narrative. You should know better, but I don't expect it to change your behavior. Repeating the same lie incessantly does not make it true. Last opportunity to correct your error.
 
That is ENTIRELY a false narrative. You should know better, but I don't expect it to change your behavior. Repeating the same lie incessantly does not make it true. Last opportunity to correct your error.

it is not false. Previous SARS did transmit asymptomatically and the Asian counties had mask requirements from near the beginning. I was speculating as to why the CDC didn’t recommend masks and I went with they didn’t want people to panic because the other option is they are incompetent and I do not want to believe that
 
no the scientists acted silly. Other SARS transmitted asymptomatically that’s why Asia did so well in their COVID response. The CDC acted just like Trump in not wanting people to panic and it really hurt the country
Wrong.

“Based on our data in Singapore, transmission from asymptomatic patients appears to play no or only a minor role, as all but 1 of the pneumonic cases of SARS had a definitive epidemiologic link to another pneumonic SARS contact. Lack of transmission from asymptomatic patients was also observed in other countries with SARS outbreaks (1; http://www.who.int/csr/sars/en/WHOconsensus.pdf, 2003).”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3371799/
 
What do you think Trump should of done that he did not do?
 
Remember as well, there was a real mask shortage at that time, and the supply of masks for frontline care givers was questionable.
 
It is an entirely false narrative, as numerous posts have demonstrated. You've built up this narrative in your head and are impervious to admitting error. The CDC acted responsibly, followed the science, advised accordingly. You're fixated on something that just isn't true. Other countries implemented mask mandates, built effective testing regimens, and established tracing and isolation protocols. We did none of that, not because it wasn't recommended or feasible, but because the White House headed by, and people by, the dregs of society, intellectually inferior boobs, anti-science fanatics, and sycophants refused to follow sound advice. The proof is in the body bags.
 

from your own article

Of all exposed HCWs, 7.5% had asymptomatic SARS-positive cases.

that’s quite a lot, COVID-19 is higher but still it was known that there was a significant amount of asymptomatic transmission which is why a lot of Asian countries instituted mask recommendations/mandates at the very beginning of the outbreak
 

Remember

 

The reason why Mr. Trump doesn't know very much about Corona is that he doesn't drink alcoholic beverages.
 

You are the one creating the false narrative the CDC did everything perfectly.

here’s a pretty scathing articles showing their massive failures at the beginning of the pandemic

 
It appears you didn't even understand what you read. No one ever said there were no asymptomatic cases. The issue is asymptomatic transmission. Big difference.
 
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