How the oil industry made us doubt climate change

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Hard evidence supporting the years-long accusation that climate change denial is industry generated.

How the oil industry made us doubt climate change

Energy companies stand accused of trying to downplay their contribution to global warming.

www.bbc.com

...this was just the start of a decades-long campaign to shape public opinion and to spread doubt about climate change.

In June 2020, the General Attorney of Minnesota Keith Ellison sued ExxonMobil, the American Petroleum Institute (API) and Koch Industries for misleading the public over climate change. The lawsuit claims that "previously unknown internal documents confirm that the defendant well understood the devastating effects that their products would cause to the climate".

It says that despite this knowledge, the industry "engaged in a public-relations campaign that was not only false, but also highly effective," which served to "deliberately [undermine] the science" of climate change.

The accusations against Exxon and others - which the company has called "baseless and without merit" - build on years of painstaking research by people like Kert Davies and Naomi Oreskes, professor of the history of science at Harvard University and co-author of Merchants of Doubt.

"Merchants of Doubt," it seems we have a lot of people who bought into the doubt.

 

[Jack Hays]

Hard evidence supporting the years-long accusation that climate change denial is industry generated.

How the oil industry made us doubt climate change

Energy companies stand accused of trying to downplay their contribution to global warming.

www.bbc.com

"Merchants of Doubt," it seems we have a lot of people who bought into the doubt.

Nope. Exxon published all their research and actively worked with the IPCC.

The "Exxon Climate Papers" show what Exxon and climate science knew and shared
Exxon position paper on the Greenhouse Effect ... This is a 1980 letter to the Exxon Board of ... Exxon Climate modeling, 1982 ... The Exxon model was an exercise to check

 

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Nope. Exxon published all their research and actively worked with the IPCC.

The "Exxon Climate Papers" show what Exxon and climate science knew and shared
Exxon position paper on the Greenhouse Effect ... This is a 1980 letter to the Exxon Board of ... Exxon Climate modeling, 1982 ... The Exxon model was an exercise to check

Gaslighting via straw man, eh?

 

[Jack Hays]

Gaslighting via straw man, eh?

The claim of Exxon secrecy has been disproven repeatedly. These cases are only filed to advance the political careers of Dem AG's.

 

[calamity]

The claim of Exxon secrecy has been disproven repeatedly. These cases are only filed to advance the political careers of Dem AG's.

That is another straw man. Look up the term if you are confused.

 

[Jack Hays]

That is another straw man. Look up the term if you are confused.

You're the one who posted the link highlighting yet another soon-to-be-dismissed lawsuit against Exxon.

 

[calamity]

You're the one who posted the link highlighting yet another soon-to-be-dismissed lawsuit against Exxon.

My post and the article in the link say nothing about " Exxon secrecy ." That was a straw man you created for reasons only you know.

 

[Jack Hays]

My post and the article in the link say nothing about " Exxon secrecy ." That was a straw man you created for reasons only you know.

Then you missed the whole point of your own link.

 

[Jack Hays]

Climate ugliness
BBC again yawn: How the oil industry made us doubt climate change
As ever, the hallmark of far-leftists is their intellectual dishonesty with the public and with themselves. In a very quick zip through this BBC article screed, I spot three very major disingenuous portrayals:

 

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Climate ugliness
BBC again yawn: How the oil industry made us doubt climate change
As ever, the hallmark of far-leftists is their intellectual dishonesty with the public and with themselves. In a very quick zip through this BBC article screed, I spot three very major disingenuous portrayals:

More gaslight from a crackpot website.

 

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Then you missed the whole point of your own link.

No, you didn't comprehend what was written in the link. It most certainly did not say Exxon kept results secret.

 

[Jack Hays]

No, you didn't comprehend what was written in the link. It most certainly did not say Exxon kept results secret.

"In June, Minnesota's Attorney General sued ExxonMobil, among others, for launching a "campaign of deception" which deliberately tried to undermine the science supporting global warming."

 

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"In June, Minnesota's Attorney General sued ExxonMobil, among others, for launching a "campaign of deception" which deliberately tried to undermine the science supporting global warming."

How does a ‘historian of science’ not know what secret means?

 

[Jack Hays]

How does a ‘historian of science’ not know what secret means?

What don't you understand?

 

[Threegoofs]

What don't you understand?

The question is, how don’t you understand?

 

[Jack Hays]

The question is, how don’t you understand?

There is no campaign of deception without secrecy.

 

[Threegoofs]

There is no campaign of deception without secrecy.

LOL. I guess you didn’t take much English, either.

 

[Jack Hays]

LOL. I guess you didn’t take much English, either.

There is no deception without secrecy.

 

[skeptic llc]

Hard evidence supporting the years-long accusation that climate change denial is industry generated.

How the oil industry made us doubt climate change

Energy companies stand accused of trying to downplay their contribution to global warming.

www.bbc.com

"Merchants of Doubt," it seems we have a lot of people who bought into the doubt.

It's not new. In the early 2000s Exxon funded all kindsa academic research against punitive damages to give them cites when opposing Valdez-related damages. This is just what companies do.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

LOL. I guess you didn’t take much English, either.

Yes Exxon knew that they could influence a lot more people through their PR and marketing that cast doubt about manmade global warming compared to their scientific reports that acknowledged it.

Harvard study: Exxon 'misled the public' on climate change for decades

For nearly 40 years ExxonMobil publicly raised doubt about the dangers of climate change even as scientists and execs inside the oil giant acknowledged the growing threat internally, according to a Harvard University study.

money.cnn.com

 

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Yes Exxon knew that they could influence a lot more people through their PR and marketing that cast doubt about manmade global warming compared to their scientific reports that acknowledged it.

Harvard study: Exxon 'misled the public' on climate change for decades

For nearly 40 years ExxonMobil publicly raised doubt about the dangers of climate change even as scientists and execs inside the oil giant acknowledged the growing threat internally, according to a Harvard University study.

money.cnn.com

Acknowledging man made global warming is possible, is NOT, the same thing as saying it is of concern.
Exxon, back in 1978, had findings that increases in CO2 could force some warming,
roughly the same 1.1C of forcing assigned to doubling the CO2 level today.
Even back then, there was someone in Exxon, who said the feedbacks could amplify the warming,
but like today 42 years later, there is no validation that the amplified feedbacks actually exists.
Like with validating any system or process, you start with the fundamentals, (is it plugged in and the power on?).
For AGW, does added CO2 cause an actual energy imbalance, and is that imbalance amplified to a greater energy imbalance?
Doubling the CO2 level, should force an imbalance of 5.35 X ln(2), or 3.71 W/m2,
to correct this imbalance, the surface troposphere system, would have to warm up by 1.1C.
The concept is that the 1.1C of warming, would cause changes that would force and even greater energy imbalance,
but what has been observed, is that the top of the atmosphere energy imbalance is decreasing.

CERES Top-of-Atmosphere Earth Radiation Budget Climate Data Record: Accounting for in-Orbit Changes in Instrument Calibration

The Clouds and the Earth’s Radiant Energy System (CERES) project provides observations of Earth’s radiation budget using measurements from CERES instruments onboard the Terra, Aqua and Suomi National Polar-orbiting Partnership (S-NPP) satellites. As the objective is to create a long-term climate...

www.mdpi.com

"All three datasets also show a slight decline (0.2–0.3 Wm−2 per decade) in the daytime minus nighttime OLR
difference that is statistically significant at the 95% significance level. "
We can discuss the accuracy of the readings, but the sign is not really in question.
Why would the energy imbalance be declining?
If new CO2 emissions stopped, that is exactly what we would expect to see.
The added CO2 forced the imbalance, and Earth warms up, until the imbalance is corrected. (I.E. The imbalance declines).
But new CO2 emissions have not stopped, and the imbalance is still declining.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Acknowledging man made global warming is possible, is NOT, the same thing as saying it is of concern.
Exxon, back in 1978, had findings that increases in CO2 could force some warming,
roughly the same 1.1C of forcing assigned to doubling the CO2 level today.
Even back then, there was someone in Exxon, who said the feedbacks could amplify the warming,
but like today 42 years later, there is no validation that the amplified feedbacks actually exists.
Like with validating any system or process, you start with the fundamentals, (is it plugged in and the power on?).
For AGW, does added CO2 cause an actual energy imbalance, and is that imbalance amplified to a greater energy imbalance?
Doubling the CO2 level, should force an imbalance of 5.35 X ln(2), or 3.71 W/m2,
to correct this imbalance, the surface troposphere system, would have to warm up by 1.1C.
The concept is that the 1.1C of warming, would cause changes that would force and even greater energy imbalance,
but what has been observed, is that the top of the atmosphere energy imbalance is decreasing.

CERES Top-of-Atmosphere Earth Radiation Budget Climate Data Record: Accounting for in-Orbit Changes in Instrument Calibration

The Clouds and the Earth’s Radiant Energy System (CERES) project provides observations of Earth’s radiation budget using measurements from CERES instruments onboard the Terra, Aqua and Suomi National Polar-orbiting Partnership (S-NPP) satellites. As the objective is to create a long-term climate...

www.mdpi.com

"All three datasets also show a slight decline (0.2–0.3 Wm−2 per decade) in the daytime minus nighttime OLR
difference that is statistically significant at the 95% significance level. "
We can discuss the accuracy of the readings, but the sign is not really in question.
Why would the energy imbalance be declining?
If new CO2 emissions stopped, that is exactly what we would expect to see.
The added CO2 forced the imbalance, and Earth warms up, until the imbalance is corrected. (I.E. The imbalance declines).
But new CO2 emissions have not stopped, and the imbalance is still declining.

The study was conducted in 2015 so federal agencies have during almost four years with a climate denier as president have access to the data. There the result is that the continue to acknowledge the urgent need for action because the evidences are so overwhelming.

There you also have studies that shows that energy imbalance are increasing,

Where does the heat go? A new report on the Earth Energy Imbalance by GCOS answers the question - International Science Council

The first comprehensive assessment of where the Earth’s excess heat is accumulating has been released by the Global Climate Observing System (GCOS). The report calls for an enhanced and robust climate observing system. The ISC spoke with the lead author of the report, Dr. Karina von Schuckmann...

council.science

 

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The study was conducted in 2015 so federal agencies have during almost four years with a climate denier as president have access to the data. There the result is that the continue to acknowledge the urgent need for action because the evidences are so overwhelming.

There you also have studies that shows that energy imbalance are increasing,

Where does the heat go? A new report on the Earth Energy Imbalance by GCOS answers the question - International Science Council

The first comprehensive assessment of where the Earth’s excess heat is accumulating has been released by the Global Climate Observing System (GCOS). The report calls for an enhanced and robust climate observing system. The ISC spoke with the lead author of the report, Dr. Karina von Schuckmann...

council.science

Measuring the heat inventory, is not the same as actually measuring the energy in vs energy out,
because the heat inventory contains an unknown latency period, that could be centuries long.
Those same long delays that AGW proponents claim exists in warming equalization...also exist in cooling equalization!!

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Measuring the heat inventory, is not the same as actually measuring the energy in vs energy out,
because the heat inventory contains an unknown latency period, that could be centuries long.
Those same long delays that AGW proponents claim exists in warming equalization...also exist in cooling equalization!!

As I said if it had been any evidence against the urgent need for action Trump and Republican lawmakers could have simply ordered federal agencies to look at the evidence. There instead the evidences are so overwhelming that federal agencies continue to acknolwedge the urgent need for aciton with a climta denier as presiden.

Climate Change Evidence: How Do We Know?

The rate of change since the mid-20th century is unprecedented over millennia.

climate.nasa.gov

 

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As I said if it had been any evidence against the urgent need for action Trump and Republican lawmakers could have simply ordered federal agencies to look at the evidence. There instead the evidences are so overwhelming that federal agencies continue to acknolwedge the urgent need for aciton with a climta denier as presiden.

Climate Change Evidence: How Do We Know?

The rate of change since the mid-20th century is unprecedented over millennia.

climate.nasa.gov

Please describe the testable hypothesis of AGW?