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How the NRA tried to stop a member from conducting gun-control research

LOL, paranoid much. We have been through this nonsense before

guess what, the USTable Tennis has a similar data base. As does any group that wants to increase its members.

Its funny that you cite blog from a far left disinformation center

A database of tennis players doesn't put lives and a Constitutional right in danger.
 
A database of tennis players doesn't put lives and a Constitutional right in danger.

nor does merely having a list of people who own or have owned SOME SORT of gun. you seem to think that they have a list of every gun owned by all those people in the data base. they don't

the ATA has a list of its members and can assume all of them shoot trap or have shoot trap

same with those of us who are members of the USPSA, NSCA, NSSA or US Shooting.

how do people get on that data base? mainly by indicating they have an interest in the shooting sports.
 
nor does merely having a list of people who own or have owned SOME SORT of gun. you seem to think that they have a list of every gun owned by all those people in the data base. they don't
You say that, but you have no idea what's on that list. Nobody does except for the people who have access to it. Nobody knows what information they obtained from state and county offices all over the US, and that's extremely dangerous. If it's not ok for the government to have such a list, it's definitely not ok for a private organization to have that list. Especially when that organization has the audacity to speak out against the collection of information on gun owners.
 
You say that, but you have no idea what's on that list. Nobody does except for the people who have access to it. Nobody knows what information they obtained from state and county offices all over the US, and that's extremely dangerous. If it's not ok for the government to have such a list, it's definitely not ok for a private organization to have that list. Especially when that organization has the audacity to speak out against the collection of information on gun owners.

Lets try to deal with this logically

what could the NRA have on that list based on what they could get

we know they don't have access to 4473s

or NICS checks

so what do they have

marketing information that any group could get
 
Lets try to deal with this logically

what could the NRA have on that list based on what they could get

we know they don't have access to 4473s

or NICS checks

so what do they have

marketing information that any group could get

Whatever information they obtained from state and county offices. Depending on state laws, that can be a lot.
 
Whatever information they obtained from state and county offices. Depending on state laws, that can be a lot.

JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION.

so tell me what information is in that data base

1) people who are interested in joining a pro gun group

2) people who have taken NRA training or are certified NRA instructors

3) members or former members of the NRA

wow that's scary information to have
 
Whatever information they obtained from state and county offices. Depending on state laws, that can be a lot.

anything the NRA can get from state and county offices you can get too
 
JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION.

so tell me what information is in that data base

1) people who are interested in joining a pro gun group

2) people who have taken NRA training or are certified NRA instructors

3) members or former members of the NRA

wow that's scary information to have

Scoff all you want. There is absolutely no reason for me to have any faith or trust in the NRA.
 
Scoff all you want. There is absolutely no reason for me to have any faith or trust in the NRA.

its people like you that the gun grabbers love

they like us to be fragmented

I have seen it before

First they banned machine guns and I didn't object because who needs a machine gun to hunt and if I dont object maybe they leave my hunting rifle alone

then they banned assault weapons and I didn't object because who needs 20 rounds to hunt a deer

then they banned "saturday night specials" and I didn't object because only poor criminals have those things

then they banned handguns and I didn't object because you don't need a pistol to hunt

and then they banned all guns because the courts ruled that if machine guns and "assault weapons" can be banned then clearly less militia useful weapons aren't protected either
 
Purists in a political battle tend to be worthless and ultimately hurt their own cause.

its like a guy facing a horde of rioters who thinks its unfair to shoot someone in the back or ambush people trying to kill you

might as well be on the other side
 
That's cute n all, but the "with us or against us" fallacy got played out ten years ago.

if you are serious about gun rights you need to be on board. as I noted, I have no use for purists in the real world
 
if you are serious about gun rights you need to be on board.
I preserve my rights by exercising them, and encouraging others to do so. No amount of lobbying will ever compare to the force of 85 million people possessing firearms.

as I noted, I have no use for purists in the real world
I'm not yours to use, and never was..
 
The likes of liberal democrats, ant gunners, socialist and their fascist friends thank you.


I doubt that would happen. I refuse to support them because they don't have gun rights in mind, only their own interests. They have a long history of choosing their own interests over the rights of the People. They have repeatedly supported legislation that taxes and infringes on manufacturers and gun owners, which has done nothing but hinder Second amendment rights. Now they go behind their supporters backs and build their own database and registry of gun owners after creating a panic over the dangers of a federal government registry. They're shady, back stabbing bastards, and that is why I will never be a member of the NRA, and why they will never see a single penny from me.
 
The likes of liberal democrats, ant gunners, socialist and their fascist friends thank you.

I suspect his pro gun stance is rather malleable and he probably doesn't want to bash -for other reasons-the party that wants to take them away
 
Why do you want to ignore recent and modern history? This is the best you can often, "yawn" because you have no answer to the reality of how evil government really is?


*yawn* you got any original material?
 
In CA I encountered many unionites who vote for their pay check in the form of liberal democrats. They were very pro gun, very active shooters, some reloaded, many enjoyed hunting or shooting sports. Their gun rights didn't matter as much as their phat pay checks and defined benefit pension plans.


I suspect his pro gun stance is rather malleable and he probably doesn't want to bash -for other reasons-the party that wants to take them away
 
In CA I encountered many unionites who vote for their pay check in the form of liberal democrats. They were very pro gun, very active shooters, some reloaded, many enjoyed hunting or shooting sports. Their gun rights didn't matter as much as their phat pay checks and defined benefit pension plans.

its true in Ohio. They haven't figured out that the left is a far bigger threat to their gun rights than the right is to their paychecks
 
I've been challenging them for years to at least get a pro gun democrat. They don't care. They really don't. They assume the Republicans will save their gun rights and the Democrats will fatten their paychecks and pensions. There was one voting for obummer last year over romney litterally saying the court was that all that mattered and the Republicans in the senate would oppose a rabid anti gun justice. Despite the fact two rabid anti gun justices have already been appointed he could care less - his pay check was all that mattered (he works for the Feds).


its true in Ohio. They haven't figured out that the left is a far bigger threat to their gun rights than the right is to their paychecks
 
Why do you want to ignore recent and modern history? This is the best you can often, "yawn" because you have no answer to the reality of how evil government really is?

And the best you can offer is the same worthless extremist rhetoric.
 
I read the story. And the first paragraph is quite telling...

The National Rifle Association reportedly advised its members against participating in a study released this week that shows a majority of gun sellers want tougher background checks for gun buyers.

Of course they do, but not because it increases safety. It puts even more money in their pocket. Every transaction or sale that goes through an FFL gets a service charge. This would bring in thousands more from private sales.

What the NRA did was wrong. This however does not diminish the fact that this "study" was to be biased from the beginning.

Please tell me how this study was "biased"? The study found that 55% of respondents supported gun control measures thats not a bias thats call results.
 
Please tell me how this study was "biased"? The study found that 55% of respondents supported gun control measures thats not a bias thats call results.

what relevance does this have? seriously.
 
Besides the fact that they are biased, proudly so? Nothing I guess if that is your standard. :shrug:
Really? Well whats their bias? Whats the "bias" in this article?
 
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