How the NRA tried to stop a member from conducting gun-control research (1 Viewer)

[TheDemSocialist]

The National Rifle Association reportedly advised its members against participating in a study released this week that shows a majority of gun sellers want tougher background checks for gun buyers.
The NRA apparently was unaware that the University of California professor behind the study -- himself an NRA member -- received the email discrediting his research.

Garen Wintemute, director of the UC Davis Violence Prevention Research Program, conducted a survey of 1,601 federally-licensed gun dealers and pawnbrokers across the country in 2011. Fifty-five percent of respondents supported comprehensive background checks.

But when Wintemute started interviewing gun vendors for his study, he received an email essentially advising him against himself.

"If you are a federally licensed dealer in firearms, you may recently have received a survey questionnaire from gun control supporter Dr. Garen Wintemute, of the University of California, Davis," said the email, obtained by Al Jazeera.

"Why is Dr. Wintemute sending the survey?" said the email. "Consider the source. Over the years, he has received hundreds of thousands of dollars from anti-gun organizations to conduct 'studies' designed to promote gun control."
Wintemute said he never received any money from anti-guns groups.

"I've turned it down, in fact," said Wintemute.

Wintemute said he did not respond to the email. "The positions taken by the leadership of the organization," he said, "don’t represent NRA members."

The NRA was not available for comment at time of publication.
Wintemute completed the study, despite the opposition. In 2011, he found that a majority of gun shop owners supported comprehensive background checks that include provisions barring people from purchasing firearms if they had a history of everything from mental illness to alcoholism-related crimes.
"I suspect that the levels of support we got in 2011 would probably be higher if they were published today," after mass shootings in Aurora, Colo. and Newtown, Conn, he said.

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NRA caught up in more of its flat out lies and bull****. Real classy NRA, trying to stop people speak their minds in a survey because its going to go against your rhetoric. Reallll classy.

 

[CRUE CAB]

Sorry, I just had to quit reading at Al Jazeera.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

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NRA caught up in more of its flat out lies and bull****. Real classy NRA, trying to stop people speak their minds in a survey because its going to go against your rhetoric. Reallll classy. [/FONT][/COLOR]

That sounds like a strategy at least half of the people on the heroes list in your profile have used. Fascinating.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

That sounds like a strategy at least half of the people on the heroes list in your profile have used. Fascinating.

We arleay have one person denying to read something and one moving the goal posts!!! Yayyy!

 

[LaMidRighter]

We arleay have one person denying to read something and one moving the goal posts!!! Yayyy!

Two, Al Jazeera is garbage.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Two, Al Jazeera is garbage.

And whats wrong with Al Jazeera's journalist credibility? Are we still gonna say the same old "they are anti-american"?

 

[LaMidRighter]

And whats wrong with Al Jazeera's journalist credibility? Are we still gonna say the same old "they are anti-american"?

Besides the fact that they are biased, proudly so? Nothing I guess if that is your standard. :shrug:

 

[Black Dog]

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NRA caught up in more of its flat out lies and bull****. Real classy NRA, trying to stop people speak their minds in a survey because its going to go against your rhetoric. Reallll classy. [/FONT][/COLOR]

I read the story. And the first paragraph is quite telling...

The National Rifle Association reportedly advised its members against participating in a study released this week that shows a majority of gun sellers want tougher background checks for gun buyers.

Of course they do, but not because it increases safety. It puts even more money in their pocket. Every transaction or sale that goes through an FFL gets a service charge. This would bring in thousands more from private sales.

What the NRA did was wrong. This however does not diminish the fact that this "study" was to be biased from the beginning.

 

[LaMidRighter]

I read the story. And the first paragraph is quite telling...

The National Rifle Association reportedly advised its members against participating in a study released this week that shows a majority of gun sellers want tougher background checks for gun buyers.

Of course they do, but not because it increases safety. It puts even more money in their pocket. Every transaction or sale that goes through an FFL gets a service charge. This would bring in thousands more from private sales.

What the NRA did was wrong. This however does not diminish the fact that this "study" was to be biased from the beginning.

I don't always agree with the NRA but don't agree that them asking for non-compliance is wrong, the "study" shouldn't have been engaged in to begin with because it was biased.

 

[Surtr]

Which is irrelevant to the People's right to keep and bear arms. The NRA is a lobby group, and one I won't give a single dime of my money to. Them being scumbags is still not going to prevent me from exercising my Second Amendment rights.

 

[Lutherf]

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NRA caught up in more of its flat out lies and bull****. Real classy NRA, trying to stop people speak their minds in a survey because its going to go against your rhetoric. Reallll classy. [/FONT][/COLOR]

All FFL's are already required to run a NICS check for every firearm purchase. The survey is essentially asking them whether or not they approve of doing something they are already required to do. Furthermore, if I want to keep my FFL do you really think I'm going to say I'd prefer not to do what I'm required to do?

 

[jamesrage]

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NRA caught up in more of its flat out lies and bull****. Real classy NRA, trying to stop people speak their minds in a survey because its going to go against your rhetoric. Reallll classy. [/FONT][/COLOR]

When the anti-knife nuts in Britain wanted to try to ban long kitchen knives they got their own so called experts who were allegedly on the side of the people who cooked to argue that such knives have no use,even those people claimed to be chefs.

British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings | FrontPage Magazine

They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.

They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.

None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.

 

[Goshin]

Al Jazeera? Really?


:lamo

 

[TurtleDude]

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NRA caught up in more of its flat out lies and bull****. Real classy NRA, trying to stop people speak their minds in a survey because its going to go against your rhetoric. Reallll classy. [/FONT][/COLOR]

this proves something I have said for years. Many of the gun haters reasons for pushing gun control is to kill off the membership of groups like the NRA (if guns are too expensive people won't join or keep their membership in pro gun groups) so the NRA has less money to fund candidates that socialists, marxists, progressives, Democrats cannot stand.

Your stupid rants about the NRA proves what really motivates you. the fact is lots of NRA members are not really aware of how disgusting and dishonest the leaders of the anti gun movement are and that the background checks they think will appease those scum bags like Biden will only be a stepping stone for registration-or worse

 

[TurtleDude]

Which is irrelevant to the People's right to keep and bear arms. The NRA is a lobby group, and one I won't give a single dime of my money to. Them being scumbags is still not going to prevent me from exercising my Second Amendment rights.

If everyone who owned a legal gun joined the NRA, not only would the disgusting Dems and Rancid RINOS stop trying to pass gun laws, the leader of each group would ask Wayne LaPierre what his members want passed each session of congress.

 

[TurtleDude]

When the anti-knife nuts in Britain wanted to try to ban long kitchen knives they got their own so called experts to argue that such knives have no use,even those people claimed to be chefs.
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British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings | FrontPage Magazine

They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.

They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.

None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.

There are lots of idiots who remain alive because the penalty for killing them is not worth the satisfaction of strengthening the world's gene pool

 

[CalGun]

Self serving advocates. I was able to figure this out in the second paragraph of your post, and there is no reason why the NRA wouldn't do what it did to protect its membership from the farce / scam of this California advocate for gun control. So what if he is an NRA member, they don't have a litmus test they require a membership fee - once paid anyone can be a member. You don't think the anti gun zealots - like yourself - don't have a few members to watch the NRA? Seriously?

The second line / paragraph says all that needs to be said - a survey of licensed dealers will of course support background checks because it means the gun owners have to frequent their business and have to pay them fees - DUH - does that rocket science for you to udnerstand? I'm shocked 45% didn't say yes - guess they are true patriots of gun ownership. The CA gun dealers are a funny group of people, most of them were supportive of many gun measures until AB 374 was passed and sent to the gov. They now beg him to veto it because it puts about 75 to 90% of them out of business.

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NRA caught up in more of its flat out lies and bull****. Real classy NRA, trying to stop people speak their minds in a survey because its going to go against your rhetoric. Reallll classy. [/FONT][/COLOR]

 

[VanceMack]

I read the story. And the first paragraph is quite telling...

The National Rifle Association reportedly advised its members against participating in a study released this week that shows a majority of gun sellers want tougher background checks for gun buyers.

Of course they do, but not because it increases safety. It puts even more money in their pocket. Every transaction or sale that goes through an FFL gets a service charge. This would bring in thousands more from private sales.

What the NRA did was wrong. This however does not diminish the fact that this "study" was to be biased from the beginning.

Boom. A majority (and a bare majority at that) want private gun sales to go through their hands. now...why could that possibly be???

 

[TurtleDude]

Self serving advocates. I was able to figure this out in the second paragraph of your post, and there is no reason why the NRA wouldn't do what it did to protect its membership from the farce / scam of this California advocate for gun control. So what if he is an NRA member, they don't have a litmus test they require a membership fee - once paid anyone can be a member. You don't think the anti gun zealots - like yourself - don't have a few members to watch the NRA? Seriously?

The second line / paragraph says all that needs to be said - a survey of licensed dealers will of course support background checks because it means the gun owners have to frequent their business and have to pay them fees - DUH - does that rocket science for you to udnerstand? I'm shocked 45% didn't say yes - guess they are true patriots of gun ownership. The CA gun dealers are a funny group of people, most of them were supportive of many gun measures until AB 374 was passed and sent to the gov. They now beg him to veto it because it puts about 75 to 90% of them out of business.

anyone can join the NRA/ Do I think some anti gun scumbags join the NRA to better figure out how to screw it up-sure. My mom was a big Dem/Emily's List/Feminist Majority type but at least she wasn't anti gun. But she got all the insider stuff from the Bradytards that befits someone who once hosted a 10K a plate fundraiser for the the guy who authored the Oval Office version of Crouching Intern, Hidden Cigar. And she would turn that stuff over to me. It was fun napalming Sarah Brady on the Floor of Cincinnati City Council with stuff she had told her "inner circle" (that the waiting period was just a first step to registration, gun purchase limits and "assault weapon bans") after she had publicly denied that she wanted anything more than the waiting period. After that, she told then Mayor David Mann she'd never come back!

 

[Surtr]

If everyone who owned a legal gun joined the NRA, not only would the disgusting Dems and Rancid RINOS stop trying to pass gun laws, the leader of each group would ask Wayne LaPierre what his members want passed each session of congress.

I doubt that would happen. I refuse to support them because they don't have gun rights in mind, only their own interests. They have a long history of choosing their own interests over the rights of the People. They have repeatedly supported legislation that taxes and infringes on manufacturers and gun owners, which has done nothing but hinder Second amendment rights. Now they go behind their supporters backs and build their own database and registry of gun owners after creating a panic over the dangers of a federal government registry. They're shady, back stabbing bastards, and that is why I will never be a member of the NRA, and why they will never see a single penny from me.

 

[TurtleDude]

I doubt that would happen. I refuse to support them because they don't have gun rights in mind, only their own interests. They have a long history of choosing their own interests over the rights of the People. They have repeatedly supported legislation that taxes and infringes on manufacturers and gun owners, which has done nothing but hinder Second amendment rights. Now they go behind their supporters backs and build their own database and registry of gun owners after creating a panic over the dangers of a federal government registry. They're shady, back stabbing bastards, and that is why I will never be a member of the NRA, and why they will never see a single penny from me.

if they had more members, they wouldn't need to compromise.

getting carry laws required permits. I was very very up on the CCW issue in Ohio. I admit I once worked for BOOB TAFT (long before he was governor) and though the BOOB vetoed the carry bill, I know how people like him think. we never would have overriden his veto if we tried to push a CCW without training and a background check

 

[Surtr]

if they had more members, they wouldn't need to compromise.

getting carry laws required permits. I was very very up on the CCW issue in Ohio. I admit I once worked for BOOB TAFT (long before he was governor) and though the BOOB vetoed the carry bill, I know how people like him think. we never would have overriden his veto if we tried to push a CCW without training and a background check

That doesn't even begin to excuse their actions. Their secret database and support of taxes and infringements that favor those making a buck at the expense of those simply exercising their rights is inexcusable, and I will not support that. They are no better than the Obama administration, the NSA, or any other two faced group that infringes on US Citizens rights.

 

[TurtleDude]

That doesn't even begin to excuse their actions. Their secret database and support of taxes and infringements that favor those making a buck at the expense of those simply exercising their rights is inexcusable, and I will not support that. They are no better than the Obama administration, the NSA, or any other two faced group that infringes on US Citizens rights.

I think that is a bit hyperbolic hysterical nonsense. "secret database"

OMG is that stupid

 

[Surtr]

I think that is a bit hyperbolic hysterical nonsense. "secret database"

OMG is that stupid

It's reality.

How The NRA Built A Massive Secret Database Of Gun Owners

 

[TurtleDude]

It's reality.

LOL, paranoid much. We have been through this nonsense before

guess what, the USTable Tennis has a similar data base. As does any group that wants to increase its members.

Its funny that you cite blog from a far left disinformation center