How The Media Spins Ukraine/Russia

[Mycroft]

A UK news site...SkyNews...reported statements from Sergei Rudskoi, head of the Russian General Staff's Main Operational Directorate.

Ukraine war: Russia appears to scale back invasion ambitions - but UK warns bombardment of cities will continue

Russia has previously pointed to far bigger ambitions but stiff resistance from Ukraine forces, logistical problems and reported low morale may have taken their toll.

news.sky.com

Here is what SkyNews said:

Russia’s defense ministry claimed it would now concentrate on the “liberation” of the Donbas region. “The main objectives of the first stage of the operation have generally been accomplished,” said Sergei Rudskoi, head of the Russian General Staff’s Main Operational Directorate. “The combat potential of the armed forces of Ukraine has been considerably reduced, which makes it possible to focus our core efforts on achieving the main goal – the liberation of Donbas.” . . . Russia has previously pointed to far bigger ambitions but stiff resistance from Ukraine forces, logistical problems and reported low morale may have taken their toll.​

Rudskoi said much more than what that SkyNews article reports. And SkyNews didn't even give a link to Rudskoi's entire statement.

Speech of the Head of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Colonel…

In accordance with the decision of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief since February 24 this year. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are conducting a special military operation. Its main goal is to provide assistance to the people of the Lugansk and Donetsk people's republics, who have been...

telegra.ph

Here is some of what Rudskoi said:

Currently, the Ukrainian air forces and the air defense system have been almost completely destroyed. The naval forces of the country ceased to exist.​

​

Sixteen main military airfields were defeated, from which combat sorties of the AFU aviation were carried out. Thirty nine storage bases and arsenals were destroyed, which contained up to 70% of all stocks of military equipment, materiel and fuel, as well as more than 1 million 54 thousand tons of ammunition.​

​

All 24 formations of the Land Forces that existed before the start of the operation suffered significant losses. Ukraine has no organized reserves left.​

​

Losses are replenished at the expense of mobilized persons and personnel of the territorial defence forces who do not have the necessary training, which increases the risk of large losses.​

​

At the time of the start of the special military operation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, together with the National Guard, numbered 260 thousand 200 servicemen. During the month of hostilities, their losses amounted to about 30 thousand people, including more than 14 thousand – irretrievable and about 16 thousand – sanitary.​

​

Of the 2,416 tanks and other armored fighting vehicles that were in combat on February 24, 1,587 units were destroyed; 636 units out of 1,509 field artillery guns and mortars; 163 out of 535 MLRS; 112 out of 152 aircraft, 75 out of 149 helicopters; 36 Bayraktar TB2 UAVs – 35;​

​

180 out of 148 S-300 and Buk M1 air defence systems; 300 out of 117 radars for various purposes.​

​

With the beginning of a special military operation, air supremacy was won during the first two days. Offensive actions of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are carried out in various directions. As a result, Russian troops blocked Kiev, Kharkov, Chernigov, Sumy and Nikolaev. Kherson and most of the Zaporozhye region are under full control. The public and individual experts are wondering what we are doing in the area of blocked Ukrainian cities. These actions are carried out with the aim of causing such damage to military infrastructure, equipment, personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the results of which allow not only to shackle their forces and do not give them the opportunity to strengthen their grouping in the Donbass, but also will not allow them to do so until the Russian army completely liberates the territories of the DPR and LPR. Initially, we did not plan to storm them in order to prevent destruction and minimize losses among personnel and civilians. And although we do not rule out such a possibility, however, as individual groups complete their tasks, and they are being solved successfully, our forces and means will concentrate on the main thing – the complete liberation of Donbass.​

So...SkyNews is deliberately spinning the scope and intent of Rudskoi's statement. Rudskoi describes the Ukraine military as pretty much neutralized and describes exactly what their goals have been and their progress toward those goals. SkyNews, on the other hand, spins the statement as if Russia is bogged down and is changing their goals.

Deliberate spin.

And it isn't just SkyNews doing this. The entire western media is taking part in this spin.

And the public...most of them...don't know they are being manipulated and propagandized.

 

[Mach]

Mycroft accuses someone of putting political spin on something.
That's hilarious.

Quite a long post for such an absurd claim from someone who generates some of the worst spun threads on DP.
What's your favorite source again, Conservativetreehouse? One of the most right-wing spinning/disinformation sites on the internet?

 

[trixare4kids]

Mycroft accuses someone of putting political spin on something.
That's hilarious.

Quite a long post for such an absurd claim from someone who generates some of the worst spun threads on DP.
What's your favorite source again, Conservativetreehouse? One of the most right-wing spinning/disinformation sites on the internet?

Mycroft doesn't spin for the media. Want to try rereading the O/P topic again and where the thread is posted?

 

[Rexedgar]

The OP’s conclusion isn’t borne out by the facts available. Why deploy forces beyond what you want to liberate? If the Russian intent was to “liberate” the break-a-way provinces, that share the common border, would it not make sense to do that from the outset? That could have been long wrapped up by this stage. How many general officers have been killed? How many Russian citizens have been locked up for protesting, something guaranteed in the Russian Constitution? Even using the lowest casualty figures that are out there, this is not a successful “special military operation” by any yardstick.

Congrats on being an OP, your usual MO is to be a first responder…..

 

[Mycroft]

Mycroft accuses someone of putting political spin on something.
That's hilarious.

Quite a long post for such an absurd claim from someone who generates some of the worst spun threads on DP.
What's your favorite source again, Conservativetreehouse? One of the most right-wing spinning/disinformation sites on the internet?

So...you can't attack the source, so you attack me.

Guess what...

Yep.

You are dismissed.

 

[tacomancer]

Mycroft doesn't spin for the media. Want to try rereading the O/P topic again and where the thread is posted?

Correct, he spins for his own political fantasies.

 

[Decypher]

A UK news site...SkyNews...reported statements from Sergei Rudskoi, head of the Russian General Staff's Main Operational Directorate.

Ukraine war: Russia appears to scale back invasion ambitions - but UK warns bombardment of cities will continue

Russia has previously pointed to far bigger ambitions but stiff resistance from Ukraine forces, logistical problems and reported low morale may have taken their toll.

news.sky.com

Here is what SkyNews said:

Russia’s defense ministry claimed it would now concentrate on the “liberation” of the Donbas region. “The main objectives of the first stage of the operation have generally been accomplished,” said Sergei Rudskoi, head of the Russian General Staff’s Main Operational Directorate. “The combat potential of the armed forces of Ukraine has been considerably reduced, which makes it possible to focus our core efforts on achieving the main goal – the liberation of Donbas.” . . . Russia has previously pointed to far bigger ambitions but stiff resistance from Ukraine forces, logistical problems and reported low morale may have taken their toll.​

Rudskoi said much more than what that SkyNews

Here is some of what Rudskoi said:

Currently, the Ukrainian air forces and the air defense system have been almost completely destroyed. The naval forces of the country ceased to exist.​

​

Sixteen main military airfields were defeated, from which combat sorties of the AFU aviation were carried out. Thirty nine storage bases and arsenals were destroyed, which contained up to 70% of all stocks of military equipment, materiel and fuel, as well as more than 1 million 54 thousand tons of ammunition.​

​

All 24 formations of the Land Forces that existed before the start of the operation suffered significant losses. Ukraine has no organized reserves left.​

​

Losses are replenished at the expense of mobilized persons and personnel of the territorial defence forces who do not have the necessary training, which increases the risk of large losses.​

​

At the time of the start of the special military operation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, together with the National Guard, numbered 260 thousand 200 servicemen. During the month of hostilities, their losses amounted to about 30 thousand people, including more than 14 thousand – irretrievable and about 16 thousand – sanitary.​

​

Of the 2,416 tanks and other armored fighting vehicles that were in combat on February 24, 1,587 units were destroyed; 636 units out of 1,509 field artillery guns and mortars; 163 out of 535 MLRS; 112 out of 152 aircraft, 75 out of 149 helicopters; 36 Bayraktar TB2 UAVs – 35;​

​

180 out of 148 S-300 and Buk M1 air defence systems; 300 out of 117 radars for various purposes.​

​

With the beginning of a special military operation, air supremacy was won during the first two days. Offensive actions of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are carried out in various directions. As a result, Russian troops blocked Kiev, Kharkov, Chernigov, Sumy and Nikolaev. Kherson and most of the Zaporozhye region are under full control. The public and individual experts are wondering what we are doing in the area of blocked Ukrainian cities. These actions are carried out with the aim of causing such damage to military infrastructure, equipment, personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the results of which allow not only to shackle their forces and do not give them the opportunity to strengthen their grouping in the Donbass, but also will not allow them to do so until the Russian army completely liberates the territories of the DPR and LPR. Initially, we did not plan to storm them in order to prevent destruction and minimize losses among personnel and civilians. And although we do not rule out such a possibility, however, as individual groups complete their tasks, and they are being solved successfully, our forces and means will concentrate on the main thing – the complete liberation of Donbass.​

So...SkyNews is deliberately spinning the scope and intent of Rudskoi's statement. Rudskoi describes the Ukraine military as pretty much neutralized and describes exactly what their goals have been and their progress toward those goals. SkyNews, on the other hand, spins the statement as if Russia is bogged down and is changing their goals.

Deliberate spin.

And it isn't just SkyNews doing this. The entire western media is taking part in this spin.

And the public...most of them...don't know they are being manipulated and propagandized.

Strange that Rudskoy didn’t mention anything about losses to Russian personnel and equipment in his speech. I hope anyone who reads it is aware of the dangers of being manipulated by propaganda.

 

[CaughtInThe]

i'm just glad that we identify, more and more each day, who is on Putin's side (as he slaughters regular ole small business owners and maids and landscapers and teachers and truck drivers, etc.).

 

[ChickenTendies]

What do you expect from the Western propaganda machine?

 

[Rexedgar]

What do you expect from the Western propaganda machine?

Xioping says what?

 

[Juin]

The OP’s conclusion isn’t borne out by the facts available. Why deploy forces beyond what you want to liberate? If the Russian intent was to “liberate” the break-a-way provinces, that share the common border, would it not make sense to do that from the outset? That could have been long wrapped up by this stage.

Attacking in Kiev also means troops Ukraine can deploy in the Donbass is pinned down at Kiev. So even a campaign to liberate only Donbass can be achieved by also attacking at Kiev. This is an observation limited only to your post. It is not over whether that is Russian true goals

 

[Rexedgar]

Attacking in Kiev also means troops Ukraine can deploy in the Donbass is pinned down at Kiev. So even a campaign to liberate only Donbass can be achieved by also attacking at Kiev. This is an observation limited only to your post. It is not over whether that is Russian true goals

If Russia had used all of their resources to “liberate” the separatist region(s), they would have overwhelmed them by now.

 

[ChickenTendies]

Xioping says what?

Epitome of low-effort posting

 

[ChickenTendies]

Strange that Rudskoy didn’t mention anything about losses to Russian personnel and equipment in his speech. I hope anyone who reads it is aware of the dangers of being manipulated by propaganda.

The ironic thing is I could say the same about Ukrainian losses. We haven't heard a peep about that in forever.

 

[Rexedgar]

Epitome of low-effort posting

Get what give.

 

[ChickenTendies]

Get what give.

Too much kool aid eh

 

[Mycroft]

Strange that Rudskoy didn’t mention anything about losses to Russian personnel and equipment in his speech. I hope anyone who reads it is aware of the dangers of being manipulated by propaganda.

Of course.

Maybe you should check the forum this thread is in and, while you are at it, check out the point of my OP.

It's not about the accuracy or veracity of Rudskoi's statement. It's about SkyNew.

 

[Decypher]

Of course.

Maybe you should check the forum this thread is in and, while you are at it, check out the point of my OP.

It's not about the accuracy or veracity of Rudskoi's statement. It's about SkyNew.

Why are Sky News obliged to merely repeat a statement by the Russians? The article cites other sources which seem to contradict some of Rudskoy’s claims.

 

[Decypher]

The ironic thing is I could say the same about Ukrainian losses. We haven't heard a peep about that in forever.

Apart from this very thread of course.

 

[Mycroft]

Why are Sky News obliged to merely repeat a statement by the Russians? The article cites other sources which seem to contradict some of Rudskoy’s claims.

News: Who what when where why. There's nothing there about spin and nonsense. There's nothing there about deliberate bias.

But, of course, what we have nowadays isn't news. It's bias in the news media.

 

[noonereal]

A UK news site...SkyNews...reported statements from Sergei Rudskoi, head of the Russian General Staff's Main Operational Directorate.

Ukraine war: Russia appears to scale back invasion ambitions - but UK warns bombardment of cities will continue

Russia has previously pointed to far bigger ambitions but stiff resistance from Ukraine forces, logistical problems and reported low morale may have taken their toll.

news.sky.com

Here is what SkyNews said:

Russia’s defense ministry claimed it would now concentrate on the “liberation” of the Donbas region. “The main objectives of the first stage of the operation have generally been accomplished,” said Sergei Rudskoi, head of the Russian General Staff’s Main Operational Directorate. “The combat potential of the armed forces of Ukraine has been considerably reduced, which makes it possible to focus our core efforts on achieving the main goal – the liberation of Donbas.” . . . Russia has previously pointed to far bigger ambitions but stiff resistance from Ukraine forces, logistical problems and reported low morale may have taken their toll.​

Rudskoi said much more than what that SkyNews article reports. And SkyNews didn't even give a link to Rudskoi's entire statement.

Speech of the Head of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Colonel…

In accordance with the decision of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief since February 24 this year. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are conducting a special military operation. Its main goal is to provide assistance to the people of the Lugansk and Donetsk people's republics, who have been...

telegra.ph

Here is some of what Rudskoi said:

Currently, the Ukrainian air forces and the air defense system have been almost completely destroyed. The naval forces of the country ceased to exist.​

​

Sixteen main military airfields were defeated, from which combat sorties of the AFU aviation were carried out. Thirty nine storage bases and arsenals were destroyed, which contained up to 70% of all stocks of military equipment, materiel and fuel, as well as more than 1 million 54 thousand tons of ammunition.​

​

All 24 formations of the Land Forces that existed before the start of the operation suffered significant losses. Ukraine has no organized reserves left.​

​

Losses are replenished at the expense of mobilized persons and personnel of the territorial defence forces who do not have the necessary training, which increases the risk of large losses.​

​

At the time of the start of the special military operation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, together with the National Guard, numbered 260 thousand 200 servicemen. During the month of hostilities, their losses amounted to about 30 thousand people, including more than 14 thousand – irretrievable and about 16 thousand – sanitary.​

​

Of the 2,416 tanks and other armored fighting vehicles that were in combat on February 24, 1,587 units were destroyed; 636 units out of 1,509 field artillery guns and mortars; 163 out of 535 MLRS; 112 out of 152 aircraft, 75 out of 149 helicopters; 36 Bayraktar TB2 UAVs – 35;​

​

180 out of 148 S-300 and Buk M1 air defence systems; 300 out of 117 radars for various purposes.​

​

With the beginning of a special military operation, air supremacy was won during the first two days. Offensive actions of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are carried out in various directions. As a result, Russian troops blocked Kiev, Kharkov, Chernigov, Sumy and Nikolaev. Kherson and most of the Zaporozhye region are under full control. The public and individual experts are wondering what we are doing in the area of blocked Ukrainian cities. These actions are carried out with the aim of causing such damage to military infrastructure, equipment, personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the results of which allow not only to shackle their forces and do not give them the opportunity to strengthen their grouping in the Donbass, but also will not allow them to do so until the Russian army completely liberates the territories of the DPR and LPR. Initially, we did not plan to storm them in order to prevent destruction and minimize losses among personnel and civilians. And although we do not rule out such a possibility, however, as individual groups complete their tasks, and they are being solved successfully, our forces and means will concentrate on the main thing – the complete liberation of Donbass.​

So...SkyNews is deliberately spinning the scope and intent of Rudskoi's statement. Rudskoi describes the Ukraine military as pretty much neutralized and describes exactly what their goals have been and their progress toward those goals. SkyNews, on the other hand, spins the statement as if Russia is bogged down and is changing their goals.

Deliberate spin.

And it isn't just SkyNews doing this. The entire western media is taking part in this spin.

And the public...most of them...don't know they are being manipulated and propagandized.

God bless you and your Russian friends.

 

[Mycroft]

God bless you and your Russian friends.

I don't have any Russian friends, but there is a lady from Prague that I've known for more than ten years. She's a good singer.

 

[ChickenTendies]

Apart from this very thread of course.

From the Ukrainian/Pentagon/Media side. I heard one ratio thrown out a week ago, and it was 16 to 1 which is absolute nonsense.

 

[LouC]

<Snipped for Brevity>

Deliberate spin.

And it isn't just SkyNews doing this. The entire western media is taking part in this spin.

And the public...most of them...don't know they are being manipulated and propagandized.

SKYNEWS

 

[Utility Man]

"FaKe NeWs ,rUsSiA iS WinNiNg"

.......Rudskoi describes the Ukraine military as pretty much neutralized and describes exactly what their goals have been and their progress toward those goals...........SkyNews, on the other hand, spins the statement as if Russia is bogged down and is changing their goals.........And the public...most of them...don't know they are being manipulated and propagandized.

Big surprise there, the OP believes the russian general......

.....and is convinced that anyone who doesn't is brainwashed.