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How the Brotherhood and Obama were given enough rope to hang themselves with

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President Obama's Arab Spring was all just a mirage in the desert. There never was an Arab Spring.
With Obama's failed regime change in Egypt, we are seeing another failed Obama regime change unfolding in Syria.

The Egyptian Pyramid Scheme

September 16, 2013 By Daniel Greenfield:

>" Deserts are funny things. A big wide open space in which nothing moves can play tricks on the mind. Spend enough time looking at a desert and you will see things moving in it because your mind needs to believe that there is life in it. Look hard enough and you will see democracy, progress and change.

But when you close your eyes and open them again, you will see that there is only a desert. And that there only ever was a desert.

Everything else was a mirage.

Egypt has gone back to what it was before the Arab Spring. It is now once again a country ruled by the military and bureaucratic institutions that are the legacy of British colonialism. Mubarak will not return to power again, but there are plenty of other military men to squat on top of a bankrupt oligarchy that lives on foreign aid and pride.

The mirage of Tahrir Square, the fireworks, fires and social media protesters brandishing smartphones and throwing down with riot police, is fading away. There will be more riots and fires and rapes. But that false sense of history being made will never return.

The truth about the Arab Spring is that it never existed. The term was coined by Marc Lynch, a George Washington University professor, who had spent years urging engagement with Hamas and championing the role of the Muslim Brotherhood as a “firewall” against Al-Qaeda “radicalism.”..."<

Continue.-> The Egyptian Pyramid Scheme | FrontPage Magazine
 

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Heya Apache.....there is content. Despite him being a writer on Radical Islam. From your link.

This Arab Spring had nothing to do with democracy or freedom. It was a scheme to split the Islamist ranks by turning over the Middle East to political Islamists. It was Zbigniew Brzezinski’s Green Belt strategy practiced on a grander scale than Iran. Instead of Jimmy Carter hoping that the Ayatollah Khomeini would checkmate the USSR, there was Barack Obama counting on Muslim Brotherhood election victories to make the practice of international terrorism passé.

The Arab Spring was a cheerful brand, a shiny media package, covering up an ugly truth. The optimistic implications of its name kept many from looking at the list of ingredients and finding out that the only things inside were Islamists and more Islamists.

The pyramid scheme would keep investing in new Islamist governments and they would pay us back by discrediting Al Qaeda’s campaign of terror and that, the liberal foreign policy mavens insisted, would allow us to bring an end to the War on Terror.

Egypt was where it was all supposed to come together. It was the most powerful Arab country standing and its political system was a legacy of European colonialism. The Muslim Brotherhood had been born there and Al Qaeda, in its own way as well, with ambitious Egyptian Brotherhood members like Zawahiri, Al Qaeda’s current leader and former grey eminence, using Bin Laden as a hand puppet.

The Arab Spring was supposed to bring stability, but it made Egypt more unstable. It was supposed to work economic miracles by fusing devout Islam with free market capitalism. Western useful idiots told Morsi to use Turkey as a model. He did. The real Turkey is a paranoid oligarchy in debt up to its eyeballs.

Finally, it was supposed to neuter Al Qaeda. Instead it only encouraged it. Islamists taking power by winning elections was supposed to convince Al Qaeda members that it was time to trade in the bomb for the ballot box. Instead the Muslim Brotherhood used Al Qaeda to play a game of “Good Terrorist” and “Bad Terrorist” with the United States the way most Muslim countries do.....snip~

Some of this can be validated thru the sources we had up on the MB. I don't know about that comment about Turkey and Morsi looking to model after them. I think the MB had their own plan in mind. But it is more than clear that the MB is connected to AQ in more ways than one and rather than being outfront and aligned with them publicly.
 

Is that legal what you just did ?

Can you provide a link or is this a liable post ?

Here we go, here's exactly "Discover the Networks" disclaimer.

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So why is Egypt a problem in your view?

What's wrong with military rule? Does it offend our sensibilities? The military poses far less threat to Israel than an Islamic tainted government. As far as I can see, Obama's "failure" is our success. We tried to help the Egyptians out so at least we didn't make a new enemies.

It would seem Fearless Leader is idealistic. He wants the world to be a hugbox and frankly, so do I. So, it was worth a try.

Or am I confused?
 
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Here is the tie in to what Greenfield is saying about the Pyramid Scheme. I figure since he works out of NY he may picked up some info from the NY Times.


In the past, United States officials saw the Islamist groups’ abundant resources as the main draw for recruits, said Steven Heydemann, a senior adviser at the United States Institute of Peace, which works with the State Department.

The strategy is based on the current assessment that popular appeal of these groups is transactional, not ideological, and that opportunities exist to peel people away by providing alternative support and resources,” he said.

Mr. Heydemann acknowledged, however, that the current momentum toward radicalism could be hard to reverse......snip~

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/w...reate-dilemma-for-us.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
"Discover the Networks" is the Wikipedia of politics.

Hahaha

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Heya Apache.....there is content. Despite him being a writer on Radical Islam. From your link.

This Arab Spring had nothing to do with democracy or freedom. It was a scheme to split the Islamist ranks by turning over the Middle East to political Islamists. It was Zbigniew Brzezinski’s Green Belt strategy practiced on a grander scale than Iran. Instead of Jimmy Carter hoping that the Ayatollah Khomeini would checkmate the USSR, there was Barack Obama counting on Muslim Brotherhood election victories to make the practice of international terrorism passé.

The Arab Spring was a cheerful brand, a shiny media package, covering up an ugly truth. The optimistic implications of its name kept many from looking at the list of ingredients and finding out that the only things inside were Islamists and more Islamists.

The pyramid scheme would keep investing in new Islamist governments and they would pay us back by discrediting Al Qaeda’s campaign of terror and that, the liberal foreign policy mavens insisted, would allow us to bring an end to the War on Terror.

Egypt was where it was all supposed to come together. It was the most powerful Arab country standing and its political system was a legacy of European colonialism. The Muslim Brotherhood had been born there and Al Qaeda, in its own way as well, with ambitious Egyptian Brotherhood members like Zawahiri, Al Qaeda’s current leader and former grey eminence, using Bin Laden as a hand puppet.

The Arab Spring was supposed to bring stability, but it made Egypt more unstable. It was supposed to work economic miracles by fusing devout Islam with free market capitalism. Western useful idiots told Morsi to use Turkey as a model. He did. The real Turkey is a paranoid oligarchy in debt up to its eyeballs.

Finally, it was supposed to neuter Al Qaeda. Instead it only encouraged it. Islamists taking power by winning elections was supposed to convince Al Qaeda members that it was time to trade in the bomb for the ballot box. Instead the Muslim Brotherhood used Al Qaeda to play a game of “Good Terrorist” and “Bad Terrorist” with the United States the way most Muslim countries do.....snip~

Some of this can be validated thru the sources we had up on the MB. I don't know about that comment about Turkey and Morsi looking to model after them. I think the MB had their own plan in mind. But it is more than clear that the MB is connected to AQ in more ways than one and rather than being outfront and aligned with them publicly.

That mentioning of Turkey did catch my eye.

I'm sure you are better well read on the MB than I. I'm some what knowledgeable of the MB history during the 1930's and 40's but I can't bring that up in the ME sub forum.

Basically Obama is a three year old playing with matches next to a keg of black powder.
 
So why is Egypt a problem in your view?

What's wrong with military rule? Does it offend our sensibilities? The military poses far less threat to Israel than an Islamic tainted government. As far as I can see, Obama's "failure" is our success. We tried to help the Egyptians out so at least we didn't make a new enemies.

It would seem Fearless Leader is idealistic. He wants the world to be a hugbox and frankly, so do I. So, it was worth a try.

Or am I confused?

Who are you posting to ?
 
So why is Egypt a problem in your view?

What's wrong with military rule? Does it offend our sensibilities? The military poses far less threat to Israel than an Islamic tainted government. As far as I can see, Obama's "failure" is our success. We tried to help the Egyptians out so at least we didn't make a new enemies.

It would seem Fearless Leader is idealistic. He wants the world to be a hugbox and frankly, so do I. So, it was worth a try.

Or am I confused?


Heya SB. :2wave: I think what it shows it goes beyond Obama and his box. Or that one glove size that fits all being used. The MB were always about their own way. No matter who they were dealing with. Neo Cons or Neo Libs. Accepting Democracy is their means to gain power. That's all it would be used for. From Apache's link.


Egypt, like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and many Muslim countries, had used Islamic terrorism as a counter. Either the United States would support the “moderate” and “responsible” authorities committed to occasionally fighting terrorism or the terrorists would take over. It didn’t expect an America insane enough to believe that the Muslim Brotherhood was the moderate and responsible alternative.

The fury and hate directed at the Muslim Brotherhood comes out that deep sense of betrayal. The Muslim Brotherhood’s political judo trick of flipping its dreaded image as a threat of violence into a gatekeeper of violence should have been anticipated, especially since that is the whole purpose of terrorism, but change comes slowly to the region. And it usually comes from outside.

Egypt’s ruling authorities were shaped by a British colonial patronage whose roots were in a former century. The Muslim Brotherhood was politically influenced by modern transnational movements like Nazism and is far more flexible and light on its feet. And unlike its leftist opposition, which is mainly clever when it comes to making memes, it understands how to seize power.

Obama’s Cairo pivot gave the Muslim Brotherhood its best shot at power in Egypt, but it may have also destroyed it. The Muslim Brotherhood’s continued existence is no longer an asset that keeps American calls for democracy at bay. It has become a Damocles sword of regime change hanging over their necks. And that means it may have to be destroyed. In the peculiar politics of the region, success may be the only thing that can destroy terrorists.....snip~
 
Who are you posting to ?

To anyone looking for a conversation that extends beyond Obama-bashing and discusses the actual results of the events.


Obama’s Cairo pivot gave the Muslim Brotherhood its best shot at power in Egypt, but it may have also destroyed it. The Muslim Brotherhood’s continued existence is no longer an asset that keeps American calls for democracy at bay. It has become a Damocles sword of regime change hanging over their necks. And that means it may have to be destroyed. In the peculiar politics of the region, success may be the only thing that can destroy terrorists.....snip~


Well, yes, that's sort of my point. Regardless of how things start, its how things end that matters. I'm postulating that military rule in Egypt is a good thing and therefore a plus. A military government that hates terrorists and cooperates in hunting them down and killing them.
 
To anyone looking for a conversation that extends beyond Obama-bashing and discusses the actual results of the events.



Well, yes, that's sort of my point. Regardless of how things start, its how things end that matters. I'm postulating that military rule in Egypt is a good thing and therefore a plus. A military government that hates terrorists and cooperates in hunting them down and killing them.

I have to agree with you and Egypt will end up with what they had before the Arab Spring. It wasn't Obama's intentions.

Unfortunately Obama threw a long time ally under the bus and the entire world watched Obama throw an ally under the bus. It was Mubarka who protected Israel's southern flank, kept the Suez Canal open and why westerners were able to vacation in Egypt. I doubt I will live to see the day when an American female will be able to travel to Egypt by herself and see the great pyramids and sail down the Nile.

I've never been to Egypt but know many who have. Everone mentioned two things about Egypt. The poverty and being told by Egyptians the only reason they haven't been raped, robbed or murdered was because of Mubarak.

The Egyptian military is already starting to look at the Russians for support.

If times were a changing and Mubarak had to go, a competent President who had a competent Secretary of State could have convinced Mubarak that it was time to go and he could have hand picked who his successor would be that would have been in America's and the western world best interest. But that didn't happen.
 
I have to agree with you and Egypt will end up with what they had before the Arab Spring. It wasn't Obama's intentions.

Unfortunately Obama threw a long time ally under the bus and the entire world watched Obama throw an ally under the bus. It was Mubarka who protected Israel's southern flank, kept the Suez Canal open and why westerners were able to vacation in Egypt. I doubt I will live to see the day when an American female will be able to travel to Egypt by herself and see the great pyramids and sail down the Nile.

I've never been to Egypt but know many who have. Everone mentioned two things about Egypt. The poverty and being told by Egyptians the only reason they haven't been raped, robbed or murdered was because of Mubarak.

The Egyptian military is already starting to look at the Russians for support.

If times were a changing and Mubarak had to go, a competent President who had a competent Secretary of State could have convinced Mubarak that it was time to go and he could have hand picked who his successor would be that would have been in America's and the western world best interest. But that didn't happen.

Nope. We'll just have to depend on dumb luck to sort this out. The ME people don't think like us.
A scorpion and a turtle stood at the edge of a river. As the turtle prepared to swim across, the scorpion asked, "Will you give me a ride across?"

"Absolutely not," the turtle responded. "You are a scorpion, and you will sting me before we get to the other side."

"No I won't," the scorpion answered. "That wouldn't make any sense, because if I sting you while we cross, we'll both drown. I want to get to the other side as much as you do. So let's work together, what do you say?"

It took a while, but the scorpion finally convinced the turtle to let him ride on his back as he swam across the river. As they drew close to the opposite shore, the scorpion raised his tail and stung the turtle.

"What did you do that for?" the turtle cried. "Now we're both dead!"

The scorpion just shrugged his shoulders and said, "Welcome to the Middle East."
 
I never believed Arab spring was naturally.
On each country, happen the same scenario in trying to overthrown the regimes.
 
I never believed Arab spring was naturally.
On each country, happen the same scenario in trying to overthrown the regimes.

Heya Coin. :2wave: Well we did have one come out from the Peace Institute.....which they work hand in hand with the State Dept. He did put out what the US strategy was with regard to the State Dept and their tie in with the WH.
 
To anyone looking for a conversation that extends beyond Obama-bashing and discusses the actual results of the events.



Well, yes, that's sort of my point. Regardless of how things start, its how things end that matters. I'm postulating that military rule in Egypt is a good thing and therefore a plus. A military government that hates terrorists and cooperates in hunting them down and killing them.



Well, it is starting to take root throughout all of the ME.....the More that keeping denouncing the MB the more it will put them back into the category they belong. That of Terrorists. Which Now Libyan wants the MB out. Iraq wants them out of their Country. Course Syria too.

Syria's Muslim Brotherhood faces uphill battle.....

For Syria's banned Muslim Brotherhood, the uprising against President Bashar Assad that erupted amid Arab Spring revolts in 2011 provided a long-sought opportunity to stage a comeback after decades spent in exile.

Thirty years earlier, the group's own violent uprising against Assad's father, the late Hafez Assad, was brutally crushed, culminating in an infamous massacre in the city of Hama that ended with the group's leadership killed, imprisoned or exiled.



http://news.yahoo.com/syrias-muslim-brotherhood-faces-uphill-battle-155134165.html
 
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