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How the Britexit campaign manipulates people.

PeteEU

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This hit the media, well some today.

We pay EU countries £15 for every £1 we get back for NHS care for foreign patients | Daily Mail Online

The headline is sensationalist and would piss off anyone reading it. Problem is, it is bull**** on so many levels.

They call it "health tourism".. lets be blunt here, no one would travel to the UK for healthcare. There are far better and cheaper alternatives around Europe.

But the article starts out as an anti-EU story most of the information in it, actually points more towards an inefficient NHS according to them and yet Europe gets the blame at the start. Of course the Daily Mail covers its ass in the end and gives the actual reason, but it is buried so deep in nationalistic anti-Europe garbage that most people would probably miss it. They also try to downplay the reality and reason for this difference.

1) British pensioners live abroad in large numbers. They require healthcare and more than average.
2) Most EU migrants in the UK are young and healthy and dont need to use the NHS as much as pensioners.

This will automatically means a big difference... and in the article it pointed out by this..

Part of the gap is due to the fact that so many British pensioners retire to the continent

No, that is in large part the difference. Old people require far more healthcare than young people...

And what the article fails to mention is the savings! Healthcare in many of the popular retirement places is actually cheaper than the NHS, which means the UK saves money.

The stay campaign seems to be fighting back.. lets hope it works.

NHS loses £700m a year on treating EU citizens, Brexit campaign claims | Politics | The Guardian

This is the kind of manipulation the Brexit campaign is getting more and more brazen with... it has to be stopped and fought against. Let the facts speak for themselves.
 

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The EU's biggest blunder is how it prostituted itself left and right. The UK doesn't want to be in the EU? the hell with it. Greece is threatening to leave the EU because of its inability to look after its finances? sayonara.

I understand the motive behind it. It's the EU's desire to grow stronger, more prosperous, and to protect its eastern borders. But this desperate expansionist policy is achieving the opposite. The answer is for the EU to be a homogeneous and sturdy union, the membership of which coveted by all. Other countries are supposed to clamor for membership, rather than blackmailing the union to maintain that membership.
 

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This hit the media, well some today.

We pay EU countries £15 for every £1 we get back for NHS care for foreign patients | Daily Mail Online

The headline is sensationalist and would piss off anyone reading it. Problem is, it is bull**** on so many levels.

They call it "health tourism".. lets be blunt here, no one would travel to the UK for healthcare. There are far better and cheaper alternatives around Europe.

But the article starts out as an anti-EU story most of the information in it, actually points more towards an inefficient NHS according to them and yet Europe gets the blame at the start. Of course the Daily Mail covers its ass in the end and gives the actual reason, but it is buried so deep in nationalistic anti-Europe garbage that most people would probably miss it. They also try to downplay the reality and reason for this difference.

1) British pensioners live abroad in large numbers. They require healthcare and more than average.
2) Most EU migrants in the UK are young and healthy and dont need to use the NHS as much as pensioners.

This will automatically means a big difference... and in the article it pointed out by this..



No, that is in large part the difference. Old people require far more healthcare than young people...

And what the article fails to mention is the savings! Healthcare in many of the popular retirement places is actually cheaper than the NHS, which means the UK saves money.

The stay campaign seems to be fighting back.. lets hope it works.

NHS loses £700m a year on treating EU citizens, Brexit campaign claims | Politics | The Guardian

This is the kind of manipulation the Brexit campaign is getting more and more brazen with... it has to be stopped and fought against. Let the facts speak for themselves.

The papers are allowed their spin and bias: what we need is broadcast TV to question all sides equally on their figures.
 

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To be fair pretty much every election campaign is about manipulating people and the campaigns on both sides of the EU Referendum have been as bad as each other. The main problem is that nobody really knows what the outcome would actually be if the UK were to leave the EU and that outcome would involve lots of different elements with widely varying costs and benefits. All ether campaign is left with is personality politics (which is limited in this context), appeals to emotion and cherry picking or making up statistics that seem to support their beliefs.
 

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To be fair pretty much every election campaign is about manipulating people ~

The shame is the is the best we can hope for in a democracy at the moment.
 

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The papers are allowed their spin and bias: what we need is broadcast TV to question all sides equally on their figures.

I agree, but so far I have not seen that. Not even seen this mentioned yet, although not seen much news today.
 

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Russia Today and a BBC attack site. Seriously Higgins? You trust Vladimir Putin and a guy in a tin-foil hat over the BBC? Your choice, I guess.

Plenty of watchdogs have been all over the BBC about their EU debate coverage.
 

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Plenty of watchdogs have been all over the BBC about their EU debate coverage.

"Watchdogs" is a bit rich.... they are either linked to the far right anti-EU crowd or the pro-Israel crowd... Wonder if those watch dogs would "watch" the Mirror, Daily Mail and others and call them on their bull****? Doubt it.
 

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"Watchdogs" is a bit rich.... they are either linked to the far right anti-EU crowd or the pro-Israel crowd... Wonder if those watch dogs would "watch" the Mirror, Daily Mail and others and call them on their bull****? Doubt it.

Yes but none of those papers are funded by the tax payer.
 
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