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Both creationists and evolutionists spend a great deal of time trying to find the exact age of the earth, and for a good reason. As extensive evidence continues to unfold that indicates the earth is less than 10,000 years old, the evolutionary theory falls apart. If the earth is truly less than 10,000 years old, it would be impossible for man to have evolved from a lower order in that amount of time.
So which is it? Is there any possibility that the Earth is only 6000 years old? All the scientific evidence that the Earth is 4 billion years old is wrong? It's some weird joke by our Higher Power?How Old Is The Earth, And How Do We Know?
T he generally accepted age for the Earth and the rest of the solar system is about 4.55 billion years (plus or minus about 1%). This value is derived from several different lines of evidence.
Unfortunately, the age cannot be computed directly from material that is solely from the Earth. There is evidence that energy from the Earth's accumulation caused the surface to be molten. Further, the processes of erosion and crustal recycling have apparently destroyed all of the earliest surface.
The oldest rocks which have been found so far (on the Earth) date to about 3.8 to 3.9 billion years ago (by several radiometric dating methods). Some of these rocks are sedimentary, and include minerals which are themselves as old as 4.1 to 4.2 billion years. Rocks of this age are relatively rare, however rocks that are at least 3.5 billion years in age have been found on North America, Greenland, Australia, Africa, and Asia.
Deus Ex Machina said:Of course the Bible is right on the age of the earth!
We've been told a whole lot of hullaballoo by modern "scientists" -- crazy ideas like heliocentrism, a spherical earth, evolution and the blasphemous notion that lightning is electricity rather than being the wrath of God. So, you see, our whole perception of the universe has been warped by the godless commie/liberal public education system.
And did you ever wonder why there is a limit on how high you can fly in an airplane? No it's not because of the decreased air pressure. It's because if you fly too high, your plane might hit the firmament!
satinloveslibs said::applaud
Well said Dues
No. They went extinct because they couldn't fit onto Noah's Ark.GarzaUK said:So where do the dinosaurs come into all this? Did we make them exstinct by beating them with clubs?
Proof? Who needs that? Most of the stories in the Bible are completely unverified, and yet the good book remains a bestseller.GarzaUK said:Also what about the proof of two different species of Human co-existing in Europe 10,000 years ago?
Yeah, but who's digging up all those fossilized bones? It's those godless "scientists" again. Please give me a fair and unbiased source!GarzaUK said:You can't ignore the fossilized bones. Most Christians now admit that the earth is way older than what was realized.
Yes it can happen. If people follow God's laws and stop using birth control, we can breed like rabbits!GarzaUK said:Plus for the population of the human race goes from 2 - 6,000,000,000 in 6000 years? Even if you ignore disease factors, this is an impossibilty.
:roflDeus Ex Machina said:Of course the Bible is right on the age of the earth!
We've been told a whole lot of hullaballoo by modern "scientists" -- crazy ideas like heliocentrism, a spherical earth, evolution and the blasphemous notion that lightning is electricity rather than being the wrath of God. So, you see, our whole perception of the universe has been warped by the godless commie/liberal public education system.
And did you ever wonder why there is a limit on how high you can fly in an airplane? No it's not because of the decreased air pressure. It's because if you fly too high, your plane might hit the firmament!
Yowm (yome); Noun Masculine, Strong #: 3117
Definitions:
day, time, year
day (as opposed to night)
day (24 hour period)
as defined by evening and morning
as a division of time 1b
a working day, a day's journey
days, lifetime (pl.)
time, period (general)
year
temporal references
today
yesterday
tomorrow
KJV Word Usage and Count
day 2008
time 64
chronicles 37
daily 44
ever 18
year 14
continually 10
when 10
as 10
while 8
full 8 always 4
whole 4
always 4
miscellaneous 44
26 X World Champs said::rofl
Thanks for putting the right spin on this issue! I'm still waiting to read posts from people who really do believe the Earth is only 6000 years old.
walrus said:I don't believe God is in the habit of leaving deceptive evidence around.
This seems unneccesarily deceptive and complicated on God's part. I firmly believe that God didn't put anything in the universe that can not be rationally explained (even if that explanation is far beyond our current knowledge).
Problem here is in the case of the parables, Jesus wasn't giving misguided information, just giving them stories that the apostles could later run with, it would seem. Because, as we know, the apostles either understood or were told the meanings of the parables. But it seems that rather than attempting to mislead the the people, as would be the case with evolutionary evidence, it was simply an overdulling or storytime method of teaching a greater lesson that they may understand at a later time (notice He was speaking in the present about them not being able to understand, not future).GetVictd said:You Think HuH?
So would I have once but I read something or two in scripture and was baffled.
sebastiansdreams said:Problem here is in the case of the parables, Jesus wasn't giving misguided information, just giving them stories that the apostles could later run with, it would seem. Because, as we know, the apostles either understood or were told the meanings of the parables. But it seems that rather than attempting to mislead the the people, as would be the case with evolutionary evidence, it was simply an overdulling or storytime method of teaching a greater lesson that they may understand at a later time (notice He was speaking in the present about them not being able to understand, not future).
As walrus has stated, and I agree, the word Yohm is certainly ambigious, and at the time it was originally translated, didn't make a difference at all. This was originially translated centuries before Darwin. Therefore, really, there was no reason to contest that the world was made in a week or that it was made in billions of years. But now that we have the science that shows us otherwise, we re-examine the word use, and find that it is ambigious, and can very feasibly mean period of time undertermined.
However, the truly ironic part is that everyone is always so concerned about that part, about how the world was made, within what time period everything occured. But the true problem is that if one is questioning the truth behind this story, then they have completely ignored the very first and most important verse. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. That is a much larger and bolder statement.
You wish to prove that the Bible is not true 26x? Then you're going to have to look at sources outside of it, because the Bible has been picked apart by plenty of people that have thrown up their hands in exasperation long before you were ever thought of. The reality is that it is a book of faith. I can not prove that God exists anymore than you can prove He does not. I cannot prove that Christ has saved me anymore than you can prove He hasn't. I can not prove any more that the Holy Spirit dwells in me any more than you can prove It does not. But, I have experienced something that you have not. If you could prove the Bible was wrong in the first few verses, why do you suppose millions still read it on a daily basis over nineteen hundred years after its compiliation? Pure brainless following just doesn't seem to cut it.
GetVictd said:Could not the flood have changed some things on earth giving them the impression of being older than they are?
blackflagx said:Well, I feel that the universe is infinite.
blackflagx said:I dont think it had a begining or will have an end. It has simply always existed.
blackflagx said:The earth, I would say has lasted billions of years.
blackflagx said:The different processes in the universe (really thats what the universe, and all matter is: processes) created the earth from something else.
blackflagx said:All matter in the universe is in a constant state of change and earth evolved from changing matter.
blackflagx said:I do not believe we were created and I certainly dont belive the rediculas fairy tales about how we are only 6000 years old. Yeah, Im a godless left wing wacko.
When the word "create" comes up in matters of existing matter, I always point to artists. A painter does not himself form the paint he is using for an piece of art, but none the less, no one would deny that in the end the artwork was, indeed his own creation, though, in reality he did nothing more than take matter already existing and putting it together in a articulate and unique design. Did God create the matter from which the earth became the earth? I have not even the smallest idea where to begin to prove that one way or another, but, the reality is, it doesn't matter much.Again, you depart from the scientists. The earth probably accreated from existing matter left over from the formation of the sun. It was not "created" from "something else".
Blackflagx said:Well, I feel that the universe is infinite. I dont think it had a begining or will have an end. It has simply always existed. The earth, I would say has lasted billions of years. The different processes in the universe (really thats what the universe, and all matter is: processes) created the earth from something else. All matter in the universe is in a constant state of change and earth evolved from changing matter. I do not believe we were created and I certainly dont belive the rediculas fairy tales about how we are only 6000 years old. Yeah, Im a godless left wing wacko.
Well said. If there was a big bang for example, several billion years ago, someone or something must have caused the bang. Also, as I have previously stated in this forum, matter cannot simply appear. So no matter how much can be proven that inorganic compounds can develop into living organisms, the matter that makes up these living things must be created.KansasMeg said:I happen to believe that the of intricacy of evolution and the other findings of modern science are proof of intelligent design. Science and Christianity can co-exist! Let's face it, the Bible is not at all detailed in the creation of Earth and man. I believe that our scientific findings are there for us to discover, that we have been given clues to discover our past.
I don't understand why so many want to portray "evolutionism" and "intelligent design" as polar opposites.
milkrun said:Religion is a business that serves many purposes and creates wealth for many clever and dishonest people. It also serves to keep certain low class people in check with the threat of hellfire.
milkrun said:Jeffrey Dalmer, the mass murderer from Wisconsin, told police that he began his murder spree after he lost his faith or belief in God. No God, no Hell.
milkrun said:Any person who still has a mind that can think knows that the existence of a God is pure propaganda.
Name calling? Where?KansasMeg said:Yes, there are certain people (luckily they are a minority) who use their power positions in religion to get rich or to make political gains. But to say this is true in all cases, all the time, I just can't buy into that.
Not sure what you're getting at with this one. So you're saying that the unreligious are more likely to go on murder sprees?
We're all entitled to our opinions, but is name-calling really necessary? If you have a good point you won't need to lower yourself to those sorts of tactics.
Try and imagine the non existence of the Universe, which includes matter and energy. "Nothing is Impossible"anomaly said:milkrun, how do you explain the existence of matter? It can't just have always existed. That is impossible. I must have come from somewhere. Energy can be converted to matter, and vis-versa, but how can you explain the existence of energy without using the existence of some God?
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