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how much will the Big Beautiful Bill save you every year ?

Using this calculator - how much will ya'll save every year ?

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stealthycat said:
I'm for flat taxation but liberals would never accept that.
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Are you sure? That’s close to how California taxes it’s citizens (state and local):


As opposed to Florida where the state is controlled by the wealthy in Palm Beach (state and local):





stealthycat said:
As it stands, majority of taxes are paid by wealthy people - did you know that?
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Are you sure? Yes the wealthy pay a large percentage of the $2.3 trillion in individual income taxes. But remember the wealthy pay a very small percentage of the $1.6 trillion of FICA taxes.

stealthycat said:
they already pay their fair share and far more
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Your opinion, apparently based on incomplete information.

stealthycat said:
... guess who pays literally no share ? low income people
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Low income people pay about 11.4% of their income in state and local taxes. The wealthy, 7.2%. Plus another 15.2% in FICA taxes for low income people and the wealthy pay literally almost no share of FICA.

Federal individual income tax total dollars are about $2.3 trillion and FICA total dollars are about $1.6 trillion. The total of state and local taxes is about $2.3 trillion and low income people pay the highest percentage of their income on that!

Add it all up and low income people pay a hell of a lot more than no share. Certainly a fair share.

 
stealthycat said:
no its not
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Incorrect.
stealthycat said:
we have brought in record revenue last few years - the problem is this Fed Govt spends 1-2 trillion more than it brings in, cities/states do too

the rich pay the bulk of all the taxes
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We tend to bring in record tax revenue pretty much any year.
stealthycat said:
what? we DO tax them minimally and the liberal left want more money so they rally the poor people into screaming "pay your fair share" or "occupy wallstreet" etc because they are jealous of others making more and they want some of that $$$ for free
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that’s how society should be ordered even if you don’t understand why.
stealthycat said:
if you don't have money for food get a job and earn it

I did
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Structural poverty is not something that can be earned out of, except individually, which doesn’t solve the problem.
 
Liberals are famous for the “art of hypocrisy”. They have it down to a science. The ones on this board are so good at it that they bait you with it. They do it on purpose in the attempt to get you tossed. It’s art to them. Disingenuous doesn’t even come close to describing them. The mods are the worst because they condone it and even encourage it.
 
stealthycat said:
you are hung up on %

why? because its the only way you can say poor people pay their share ... they don't
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Because its a more accurate measure.

Fact: poor people pay a higher share of their income in taxes than rich people do. That is just a fact.

Think of it this way, who is getting a better deal, somone who pays a $10,000 a year in all taxes combined, or somone who pays $50,000.

Not enough info.

The 10,000 is 20% of a total income of $50,000,

And the 50,000 in taxes is 10% of half a million.

So who is getting a better deal on taxes?
 
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Bok Tuklo said:
Why didn't they make it permanent? Why does it expire, unlike other tax breaks, after the mid terms?
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To give people incentive to vote conservative in the midterms. Welcome to politics. You think that strategy is peculiar to this party or this time in history??
 
Crunchtime said:
Keep whining. It fits your politics and your personality. Are you on Medicaid? You’re going to work for it now. Talk about injustice.
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I am not on medicaid.

However, unlike certain so-called "Christians," I am capable of worrying about the fate of the less fortunate.
 
Hamish Howl said:
I am not on medicaid.

However, unlike certain so-called "Christians," I am capable of worrying about the fate of the less fortunate.
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Capable of worrying? Really? What do you do personally to help the less fortunate? In Tucson?
 
stealthycat said:
it made permanent tax cuts - so you're factually wrong


and vs what Democrats do which is raise my taxes

I'll take it, THANK YOU DONALD TRUMP and REPUBLICANS
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For adding $3T in debt?
I’m against raising debt.
 

Actually it is going to cost us a lot more money.

Cuts to medical will result in closed clinics and hospitals. Additional travel expenses and higher costs will eat up any imaginary savings from the rest.

Spending like Drunken Sailors on everything else will cause more Bonds to be sold, and with the weaker dollar will result in higher interest rates across the board.
 
Str8shooter said:
Well, we will have the benefit of time now to see who is right and who is wrong. For you and others, this should guarantee a sweep in 2026 and the presidency in 2028.
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unless the economy does great .... which is the biggest fear of Democrats

economy goes great is what they do NOT want
 

well #1 when you go to the site it screams " Forty-four states’ tax systems exacerbate income inequality. " and it even has a "race equity" page. Both those screams to me that they their goal is to hate wealthy white people https://itep.org/whopays-map-7th-edition/

there is no wealth inequality. There are people who make more and people who make less, everyone has equal opportunity to go and grab as much wealth as they want. So those words, "wealth inequality" are inaccurate and misleading.

But to the site itself and information on it .... they have a LOT of information. I don't have time today to go through it all but what you posted was interesting. Since we're discussing mainly income taxes per your site and California .... like I said before, the lower income people don't pay their fair share at all

 
stealthycat said:
there is no wealth inequality. There are people who make more and people who make less, everyone has equal opportunity to go and grab as much wealth as they want. So those words, "wealth inequality" are inaccurate and misleading
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If someone truly believes this, they’re an idiot.
 
SavannahMann said:
Actually it is going to cost us a lot more money.
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SavannahMann said:
Cuts to medical will result in closed clinics and hospitals.
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These 'cuts', are they using the 'DC definition', where a lack of an anticipated increase is wrongly called a 'cut'?

Specific to these 'cuts' which have been claimed by many on the left, and on their Lugenpresse, isn't the reality more closely resembling this:

On May 22, the House of Representatives passed the One Big Beautiful Bill (OBBB). The bill contains many health policy provisions aimed at addressing excesses and abuses during the Biden administration. The policies would reform Medicaid by reducing state Medicaid money laundering schemes, introducing work and community engagement requirements, and removing ineligible enrollees. The policies would also significantly increase program integrity in the Affordable Care Act (ACA) exchanges by reversing many Biden administration policies that pursued enrollment at any cost and led to tens of billions of fraudulent spending. The bill also includes a significant expansion of health savings accounts (HSAs).​

Health Care Provisions in the One Big Beautiful Bill: Reducing Waste, Fraud, and Abuse While Empowering American Patients

The OBBB contains many health policy provisions aimed at addressing excesses and abuses during the Biden administration.
paragoninstitute.org

Drawing you attention to:
"aimed at addressing excesses and abuses during the Biden administration" and​
"reducing state Medicaid money laundering schemes", and
"removing ineligible enrollees".​

Further drawing your attention to:
"significantly increase program integrity in the Affordable Care Act (ACA) exchanges by reversing many Biden administration policies that pursued enrollment at any cost and led to tens of billions of fraudulent spending"​

Reducing excesses, money laundering schemes, removing ineligible enrollees, increase program integrity, reducing tens of billions of fraudulent spending, all seem to be good things to achieve to me, and likely to extend the fiscal soundness and longevity of the programs in question.

 

all I see above is blame someone else
 
stealthycat said:
all I see above is blame someone else
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Some problems are luck or random chance. Some are just an emergent factor stemming from various unrelated conditions. Other problems have causes that carry blame.
 
NolanVoyd said:
Because its a more accurate measure.
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no, its fits your argument

here is a fact if you like percentages - 10% of my income is as important to me as 10% of someone making $5 million or $5,000

NolanVoyd said:
Fact: poor people pay a higher share of their income in taxes than rich people do. That is just a fact.
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true and its a very small % overall of contributions (since you like percentages)

NolanVoyd said:
Think of it this way, who is getting a better deal, somone who pays a $10,000 a year in all taxes combined, or somone who pays $50,000.
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I guess it depends on percentages ?

NolanVoyd said:
Not enough info.
The 10,000 is 20% of a total income of $50,000,
And the 50,000 in taxes is 10% of half a million.
So who is getting a better deal on taxes?
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we'd have to know more information on "better deal" but what can say with absolute certainty is that society is getting much more money to operate on from the rich person
 
stealthycat said:
there is no wealth inequality. There are people who make more and people who make less, everyone has equal opportunity to go and grab as much wealth as they want. So those words, "wealth inequality" are inaccurate and misleading.
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yep, and we get equal Tax cuts too, see below...

BirdinHand said:


If someone truly believes this, they’re an idiot.
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if you are Wealthy under Big Beautiful you get a $1 Trillion Tax Cut

if you are in Poverty under Big Beautiful you get a $1 Trillion Cut too. (in medicaid, medicare)

as you see Bird, we all get equal $1 Trillion cuts, you gotta believe.....




The Truth About the One Big Beautiful Bill Act’s Cuts to Medicaid and Medicare​

The Center for American Progress and The Arc break down the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, exposing how its deep cuts to Medicaid and Medicare will lead to benefit losses, increased paperwork requirements, and rural hospital closures that will hurt Americans—especially people with disabilities.



$1 Trillion in Medicaid Cuts—$1 Trillion in Tax Giveaways for the Richest 1 Percent: The One Big ‘Beautiful’ Bill’s Budget Math​


The congressional Republican bill will cause millions of low-income Americans to lose Medicaid coverage in order to fund tax giveaways for the top 1 percent of households.



blessings all, $1 Trillion for everyone some place. but you won't need it: July 9 is coming.


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Right.

Rural southwest Nebraska clinic closes, blaming expected Medicaid cuts

McCook-based Community Hospital said it is shutting down its clinic in Curtis, a town of about 900 people.
www.klkntv.com

Ignore your eyes. Let us tell you what you are seeing!
 
NuffSaid said:
For adding $3T in debt?
I’m against raising debt.
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then you hated Obama and Biden - what was their combined national debt increased in 12 of the last 16 years ?

did you vote Kamala ?
 

I'll need a link to prove the above please
 
BirdinHand said:


If someone truly believes this, they’re an idiot.
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if someone thinks they are held down in the USA and forced to be unequal and a victim ..... then they are because they want to be
 
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