How is abortion anyone's business or concern?

[Gordy327]

What authority says that killing that unborn is not wrong? Why should an authority be the arbitrator of what is right and wrong? Shouldn't what is right and wrong be based on reason rather than authority?

There is no authority. So no reason to think abortion is wrong.

If a woman had a five year old child and is affected by the child because she earns income to support it, care for it, has commitments and obligations, etc... Does it make it right for her to kill the five year old child? Seriously, what are you arguing here?

I am arguing for abortion rights. Not infanticide.

Zero weeks and no exceptions for rape or incest.

Why? On what legal basis?

I believe you were asking how it was anyone's business or concern.

That is just, as you claim, your belief. Your belief does not apply to anyone except you.

The poster clearly identified why it would be their business or concern.

Nope. That is just emotionalism. That does bot address the issues or feelings of the one seeking or having an abortion, assuming such an intent is even shared with others, which it need not be.

Who are you to say that what THEY identify as their business or concern is wrong since you believe in subjective morality?

Perhaps you should ask yourself that. Personal medical issues and procedures like abortion is no one else's business, as it is a private matter and one dealing with one's own bodily autonomy.

 

[collected]

There is no authority. So no reason to think abortion is wrong.

There is no authority. So no reason to think abortion is right.

I am arguing for abortion rights. Not infanticide.

I was pointing out the reasons given wouldn't justify the murder of a human being.

Why? On what legal basis?

Whatever legal basis that exists and if it doesn't then it should be created.

That is just, as you claim, your belief. Your belief does not apply to anyone except you.

What was your initial post about then?
https://debatepolitics.com/threads/...s-business-or-concern.543528/#post-1079902181

Is that just your belief too? Your belief does not apply to anyone except you as well.

Nope. That is just emotionalism. That does bot address the issues or feelings of the one seeking or having an abortion, assuming such an intent is even shared with others, which it need not be.

If they believe why it would be their business of concern, then it is their business or concern from their perspective. It's not emotionalism because they articulated their point.

Perhaps you should ask yourself that. Personal medical issues and procedures like abortion is no one else's business, as it is a private matter and one dealing with one's own bodily autonomy.

Isn't that your opinion? You made a normative statement. Also, according to what you've stated, your belief does not apply to anyone except you.

 

[Lursa]

What authority says that killing that unborn is not wrong? Why should an authority be the arbitrator of what is right and wrong? S

That's fine but then who defines the access or denial of the procedure and why? Please answer this. I will ask again if you dont.

houldn't what is right and wrong be based on reason rather than authority?

That's a different argument and I've made it as well.

Here's the simplest: the woman is here, actualized and contributing to society. Her life has meaning and purpose to herself and others. Those things affect others. And she's proven capable of reproducing, she can ikely have another when resources and circumstances are less risky. The woman suffers pain, systems damage, possibly death, and disrespect in society if the unborn is prioritized ahead of her and she is denied the much safer procedure.

The unborn is not, it may die during gestation, it may be born severely defective mentally or physically. There is only a potential, a "maybe." And the unborn suffers nothing. There's the reasoning...the woman is a better investment for society, already proven to participate, contribute, and have the ability to reproduce again in the future.

There ya go.

If a woman had a five year old child and is affected by the child because she earns income to support it, care for it, has commitments and obligations, etc... Does it make it right for her to kill the five year old child? Seriously, what are you arguing here?

Doesnt matter. It' s not inside her. The 5 yr old can be handed off to child services.

Zero weeks and no exceptions for rape or incest. If the woman's life is in immediate danger the maximization of human lives approach should be taken based on the probabilities of survival for both the mother and the fetus. I would still consider it murder though.

Thank you for your opinion. Your belief in quantity over quality of life is noted. It is dehumanizing as always. This is what is amounts to: the goal is "for both to survive the unborn being shoved out a vagina." Both reduced to breathing...period. That's very dehumanizing but I will acknowledge it as your view.

I believe you were asking how it was anyone's business or concern. The poster clearly identified why it would be their business or concern. Who are you to say that what THEY identify as their business or concern is wrong since you believe in subjective morality?

It's not his business or concern. It is the woman's choice to share it with others or not. It is her life and choice. If she shares it, emotional distress to others is regretful. But others dont get to say what she owes her family...that's up to her.

 

[Gordy327]

There is no authority. So no reason to think abortion is right.

And no reason to think it's wrong. I guess that means it's up to the individual woman to decide for herself.

I was pointing out the reasons given wouldn't justify the murder of a human being.

Abortion isn't murder. But you already knew that. It's only been pointed out ad nauseum in these types of discussions.

Whatever legal basis that exists and if it doesn't then it should be created.

There is no legal basis that exists. Thanks for affirming you have no valid legal argument.

What was your initial post about then?
https://debatepolitics.com/threads/...s-business-or-concern.543528/#post-1079902181

Is that just your belief too? Your belief does not apply to anyone except you as well.

No belief. Just simple fact.

If they believe why it would be their business of concern, then it is their business or concern from their perspective. It's not emotionalism because they articulated their point.

Sanctimonious nonsense. Belief is irrational, but applied only to the believer. Those who believe do not get to impose their beliefs onto others.

Isn't that your opinion? You made a normative statement. Also, according to what you've stated, your belief does not apply to anyone except you.

No opinion, still fact. Medical interventions are between a person and their doctor. No one else has any right to know nor has any say in one's medical decisions.