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How I lost $275 on the Presidential Election

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I just thought I would share my story with the forum about how I lost $275 dollars on this election.

It all started last November while talking with some friends, Liberal and Conservative alike about how the election in 2008 might turn out.

Well things being as they are and me thinking I am smarter than the average pundit, I decided to put my money where my mouth is. So I made a few bets; $100 here, another $100 there and a $50 and $25 over yonder.

My bet was this; this country is not ready to put ONE party in charge of everything so soon after the negative perceptions the public has over how Republicans have run the show. Therefore, regardless of who the candidates will be, there will NOT be a Democrat in the White House as Congress already has strong control of the House and control over the Senate.

Mind you, at this time we were thinking it would be possibly Hillary for the Democrats and someone like Mike Huckabee or Mitt Romney on the Republican side.

But in my wisdom I said, "It doesn't matter! The American people are NOT about to risk ONE party rule anytime soon. They are just too smart and cynical, like me, of Government and it is too soon after the present administrations tribulations.”

Well, Americans proved me wrong. Thank you! They ignored substance for charisma, they ignored experience for an idea of change and they proved once again that most voters merely vote for an idea and rarely comprehend the policy implications of platform rhetoric.

Back to the drawing board; time to develop a plan for how the Conservative platform can once again attract a majority to help us prevent the Liberal Socialism I am sure will ruin this country if not stopped. I guess every ten years the American people need a reminder of why the Carter years were such a BAD idea.

These are JUST my opinions; have at it!

:damn
 
Truth Detector said:
I just thought I would share my story with the forum about how I lost $275 dollars on this election.

It all started last November while talking with some friends, Liberal and Conservative alike about how the election in 2008 might turn out.

Well things being as they are and me thinking I am smarter than the average pundit, I decided to put my money where my mouth is. So I made a few bets; $100 here, another $100 there and a $50 and $25 over yonder.

My bet was this; this country is not ready to put ONE party in charge of everything so soon after the negative perceptions the public has over how Republicans have run the show. Therefore, regardless of who the candidates will be, there will NOT be a Democrat in the White House as Congress already has strong control of the House and control over the Senate.

Mind you, at this time we were thinking it would be possibly Hillary for the Democrats and someone like Mike Huckabee or Mitt Romney on the Republican side.

But in my wisdom I said, "It doesn't matter! The American people are NOT about to risk ONE party rule anytime soon. They are just too smart and cynical, like me, of Government and it is too soon after the present administrations tribulations.”

Well, Americans proved me wrong. Thank you! They ignored substance for charisma, they ignored experience for an idea of change and they proved once again that most voters merely vote for an idea and rarely comprehend the policy implications of platform rhetoric.

Back to the drawing board; time to develop a plan for how the Conservative platform can once again attract a majority to help us prevent the Liberal Socialism I am sure will ruin this country if not stopped. I guess every ten years the American people need a reminder of why the Carter years were such a BAD idea.

These are JUST my opinions; have at it!

:damn
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Actually, they didn't. Neither candidate had any substance.
 
Truth Detector said:
My bet was this; this country is not ready to put ONE party in charge of everything so soon after the negative perceptions the public has over how Republicans have run the show. Therefore, regardless of who the candidates will be, there will NOT be a Democrat in the White House as Congress already has strong control of the House and control over the Senate.
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I was hoping this as well, but i sure as hell ain't stupid enough to put money on it

it's only bad when its the republicans, I mean neo-cons:doh
 
danarhea said:
Actually, they didn't. Neither candidate had any substance.
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Well, in your eyes, perhaps you think they were both equal in that regard; but me, I definitely feel McCain had more substance than Obama.

I was not thrilled that I had to hold my nose for McCain when I voted, but it was a LOT better than NOT having divided Government and letting Democrats have the whole show right?

But hey, that's what OPINIONS are for right? :cheers:
 
DeeJayH said:
I was hoping this as well, but i sure as hell ain't stupid enough to put money on it

it's only bad when its the republicans, I mean neo-cons:doh
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Thanks DeeJay, I think you just called me stupid within the forum rules; I must take notes. :mrgreen:

:moon:
 
Truth Detector said:
Thanks DeeJay, I think you just called me stupid within the forum rules; I must take notes. :mrgreen:

:moon:
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there is a fine line one can walk
that being said, I am finally back down to 9 points presently:doh
 
I guess every ten years the American people need a reminder of why the Carter years were such a BAD idea.
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The Right must have had a meeting and decided that Jimmy Carter is the devil.

But the people who say Jimmy Carter is so terrible voted twice for The Worst President Ever™, so we can safely disregard their opinions.

For the record, historians rate Jimmy around 24 or so amongst the Presidents--not very good, but nowhere near as bad as the right would have us think.

At least he didn't have to resign in disgrace. It's also quite unusual that such a terrible President would go on to win the Nobel Prize.

Could conservatives be wrong about Jimmy, just as they were wrong about deregulation and tax cuts for the wealthy?
 
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Americans were ready for change after the last 8 years and voted accordingly. I don't think extremist on both sides of the spectrum is a good thing. Balace of both is optimum, I think. I'm sure that will eventually come, perhaps in 2012, as the pendulum usually swings.
 
Truth Detector said:
Well, in your eyes, perhaps you think they were both equal in that regard; but me, I definitely feel McCain had more substance than Obama.
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I think the issue with McCain's "substance" is that he didn't have any in the race. By that I mean, all the crap he was saying during the race had mostly no substance behind it because he was pandering to a conservative base that he thumbed his nose at for years upon years. So it was all hollow...lacking substance.

I think one of the biggest things conservatives need to stop doing though is bitching about Charisma, or Obama's well spokeness, or his ability to inspire emotions.

Why do I say that?

Because that's like complaining that your best friends girlfriend is hot, wild in the sack, and rich. You don't bitch about qualities you want in yours.

Look at how we deifiy Reagan. A large part of it is due to his staunch conservative views, but even Reagan DID have his mistakes or veered off course (immigration anyone?). But he was Charismatic, hugely Charismatic. He could talk to a crowd like it was no ones business. And Reagan inspired people. He instilled emotion in people. He could give a long speech, touching lightly on numerous issues, but generally just convincing you how great America was and how lucky we are to be within it.

Reagan had all the traits that conservatives are so quick to bitch, whine, and complain about on Obama. Its like complaining about your friends great girlfriend.

Conservatives need to get out of that mindset, because the longer we're in it the more likely we won't see that kind of person step up on our side. We NEED a charismatic figure, a well spoken person, someone that can INSPIRE people and instill hope and a true belief in them. Those aren't BAD things in and of themselves. The only real "true" issue of those complaints is the potential lack of substance behind them on Obama...but nothing says one can not be intelligent, charismatic, inspiriational, AND knowledgable.

I honestly am a bit worried and happy that its likely that Obama is going to become their Reagan. On one side, I believe he could give them power for some time and inspire a new generation of young democrats. On the other side, he could lead them into a stagnation as Reagan's memory did for us, where we compare all that come after to him and all always fall short.
 
Middleground said:
Americans were ready for change after the last 8 years and voted accordingly. I don't think extremist on both sides of the spectrum is a good thing. Balace of both is optimum, I think. I'm sure that will eventually come, perhaps in 2012, as the pendulum usually swings.
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What change? Insiders and hard leftists. More of the same washington politics as usual.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
What change? Insiders and hard leftists. More of the same washington politics as usual.
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Obama has worked far harder reaching across the isle so far than Bush ever did.

Bush, worst president EVER!
 
Middleground said:
He has not even been inaugurated yet, and you're already criticizing. My lord, I can't wait for the threads you'll start then. :roll:
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And now the personal attacks. How typical of you.


Intellectually lacking posts are rather common from you.

you do know this is a debate forum, Dear leader is fair game.


I am simply discussing the president of the office of the president elect. :lol:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
And now the personal attacks. How typical of you.


Intellectually lacking posts are rather common from you.

you do know this is a debate forum, Dear leader is fair game.


I am simply discussing the president of the office of the president elect. :lol:
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My post was not an attack, it is based-on personal observations of your tendancies. Thread upon thread of petty anti-Obama stuff. That is fact.

Writing that my posts lack intellect is a personal attack. That is your opinion. See the difference?
 
Middleground said:
My post was not an attack, it is based-on personal observations of your tendancies. Thread upon thread of petty anti-Obama stuff. That is fact.
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you like to nag. That is funny.


Writing that my posts lack intellect is a personal attack. That is your opinion. See the difference?
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nag nag nag....... :roll:
 
Moderator's Warning:
Cut it off both of you and get back on topic
 
PerryLogan said:
Could conservatives be wrong about Jimmy, just as they were wrong about deregulation and tax cuts for the wealthy?
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I assure you that Conservatives have nothing to do with Carter being wrong.

History has determined he was terribly wrong and naïve in the extreme when it came to his foreign policy.

As for deregulation and tax cuts to the rich, that is myth and cannot be supported by any facts; why is it you continue to make such false statements?
 
Zyphlin said:
We NEED a charismatic figure, a well spoken person, someone that can INSPIRE people and instill hope and a true belief in them. Those aren't BAD things in and of themselves. The only real "true" issue of those complaints is the potential lack of substance behind them on Obama...but nothing says one can not be intelligent, charismatic, inspiriational, AND knowledgable.
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We need a Pawlenty, Michael Steele or Jindhal.

Zyphlin said:
I honestly am a bit worried and happy that its likely that Obama is going to become their Reagan. On one side, I believe he could give them power for some time and inspire a new generation of young democrats. On the other side, he could lead them into a stagnation as Reagan's memory did for us, where we compare all that come after to him and all always fall short.
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I seriously doubt that Obama will be anything like a Reagan; but we will give him time and then debate this further as he starts implementing his program to destroy the American economy. :cool:
 
TheNextEra said:
Obama has worked far harder reaching across the isle so far than Bush ever did.
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No facts here; the fact that Bush did was one of his weaknesses.

But heck, why would you ever let facts get in the way of your partisan Liberal politics right?

Carry on! :2wave:
 
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