How does Trump get away with it?

[Moderate Right]

AH, but what Mueller's team said was not that the story was totally false, but that parts of it were inaccurate. And I do not consider keeping leaks out of the story while the investigation is going on is hibernation, but a job well done. Just because the GOP and the Dems usually leak like a sieves, does not make doing a job without them is a bad thing.

Mueller disputed the story. End of story. The rest is just TDS wishful thinking, just as everything with the left is just TDS wishful thinking. Remember, Mueller's investigation isn't over. Be patient. You guys will be being patient through 2020.

 

[Moderate Right]

Again, not fake news,or totally incorrect, but inaccurate. If they had wanted to say it was all wrong, Mueller's team would have said so.

Fakes news. You guys are so gullible you think every story that comes out isn't fake and even when Mueller himself says it's fake, you don't even believe him.

 

[Sampson Simpson]

Because the 1/3 of the country chewing tobacco and wearing MAGA hats don't care about the truth as long as there's a REPUBLICAN racist/misogynist in power. If it's a Democrat - you wouldn't believe how quickly the knuckle-draggers clutch their pearls and cry, "immoral bastard!".

We don't have to believe it, we have been seeing it first hand for decades, the obama presidency the pinnacle of that. They are a joke. I think they permanently earned a STFU about everything since they have proven to have no credibilty

 

[JMR]

Mueller specifically came out of hibernation to dispute the Buzzfeed story. That is an important fact, inconvenient to your line of reasoning here.

Mueller's team's quote:

“BuzzFeed’s description of specific statements to the Special Counsel’s Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen’s Congressional testimony are not accurate,” Mueller spokesman Peter Carr said in a statement. He did not elaborate.

Buzzfeed's response:

Buzzfeed editor-in-chief Ben Smith said: "In response to the statement tonight from the Special Counsel's spokesman: We stand by our reporting and the sources who informed it, and we urge the Special Counsel to make clear what he's disputing."

An unspecified aspect of the story is disputed.

 

[JMR]

The Buzzfeed article was fake news. I realize that you lefties don't believe there is such a thing as fake news even when your hero Mueller even says so.

Which part of the story did Mueller say was fake news?

 

[Perotista]

First we had Trump admit on TV he fired Cohen because of the Russian investigation and then bragged about it to the Russians at a meeting with their ambassador. The last meeting we know about since the Russians made it public. Now we have Trump making a threat to Cohen that if he spills any beans to congress Trump can and will send the FBI after his father-in-law. One an obstruction of justice and the other witness tampering and yet nothing is done by anyone to stop Trump. How does Trump get away with things that any other president would have been impeached with and by both parties as Nixon was in Watergate. He has done other things which many would consider impeachable, but these two were right out in the open for everyone to see. I know the Trumpsters on this message board will say, oh no, these aren't what you say, but they know the truth.

Impeachment - Currently 82% of Democrats say Trump should be, 12% say no. 7% of republicans say Trump should be impeached, 91% say no. This is a true partisan issue. So how do the more or less non-partisans, unaffiliated voters, commonly known as independents think about impeachment of Trump. 36% say Trump should be impeached, 55% say he shouldn't. Table 29, q6.

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/12/13/rel12b.-.congress.pdf

Just when I thought there wasn't a more partisan issue than the border wall, impeachment surpasses it in pure partisanship.

The house being Democratically controlled can impeach Trump anytime it wants for any reason it wants. But there is no way you going to get 20 current Republican Senators to join the 47 Democratic senators to vote guilty and for removal. As long as only one political party wants to impeach the president, any president without any support from the other party, with little support from independents, impeachment is a total waste of time, energy and money. Before I would even think seriously about impeachment, those 36% of independents now in favor would have to reach at least 56% if not 60%.

The Republicans found out with their impeachment of Bill Clinton that having only one party in favor of it is doomed to failure. Bill Clinton's impeachment was seen as being political vindictive by most Americans, Bill's popularity actually increased during the trial in the senate as he gained a ton of sympathy. If the Democrats try to impeach Trump alone, no support from the other party and the majority of independents against it, the Democrats just might be tarred as being political vindictive as the Republicans were when they did that to Bill.

 

[independentusa]

no its always the same when the left has their hypocrisy waved under their noses.

Deflect, deflect, deflect, that is all you can do. Why not discuss the topic of my OP. We know, because you have nothing to say on the subject so like many cons, deflect, deflect, deflect. Hypocrisy, your name is Trumpster.

 

[independentusa]

Mueller disputed the story. End of story. The rest is just TDS wishful thinking, just as everything with the left is just TDS wishful thinking. Remember, Mueller's investigation isn't over. Be patient. You guys will be being patient through 2020.

He did not dispute the story, he said thta is was inaccurate. You are able to understand the difference, are you not?

 

[independentusa]

Fakes news. You guys are so gullible you think every story that comes out isn't fake and even when Mueller himself says it's fake, you don't even believe him.

And you guys believe everything that Trump, Liambaugh and Fox News tells you.

 

[independentusa]

We don't have to believe it, we have been seeing it first hand for decades, the obama presidency the pinnacle of that. They are a joke. I think they permanently earned a STFU about everything since they have proven to have no credibilty

Another deflector. How many of Obama's people have been indicted for their actions while working for Obama. Yup, that is a big zero. How many of trump's people, what six or is it now seven. And Stone will go down next.

 

[independentusa]

Impeachment - Currently 82% of Democrats say Trump should be, 12% say no. 7% of republicans say Trump should be impeached, 91% say no. This is a true partisan issue. So how do the more or less non-partisans, unaffiliated voters, commonly known as independents think about impeachment of Trump. 36% say Trump should be impeached, 55% say he shouldn't. Table 29, q6.

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/12/13/rel12b.-.congress.pdf

Just when I thought there wasn't a more partisan issue than the border wall, impeachment surpasses it in pure partisanship.

The house being Democratically controlled can impeach Trump anytime it wants for any reason it wants. But there is no way you going to get 20 current Republican Senators to join the 47 Democratic senators to vote guilty and for removal. As long as only one political party wants to impeach the president, any president without any support from the other party, with little support from independents, impeachment is a total waste of time, energy and money. Before I would even think seriously about impeachment, those 36% of independents now in favor would have to reach at least 56% if not 60%.

The Republicans found out with their impeachment of Bill Clinton that having only one party in favor of it is doomed to failure. Bill Clinton's impeachment was seen as being political vindictive by most Americans, Bill's popularity actually increased during the trial in the senate as he gained a ton of sympathy. If the Democrats try to impeach Trump alone, no support from the other party and the majority of independents against it, the Democrats just might be tarred as being political vindictive as the Republicans were when they did that to Bill.

It is way too early to discuss impeachment, but maybe indictment. There is nothing in the constitution that says a president can not be indicted. With the present set up in the Senate, even with all the evidence in the world, the GOP in the Senate would never impeach trump as they are too afraid of his mob. So if the evidence is there, then it will have to be indictment

 

[iguanaman]

Yes. He's openly doing what Republicans accused Obama of. The GOP congress spent millions of dollars investigating, subpoenaing emails and White House records, in the hopes of finding any hint of Obama doing what Trump does flagrantly. The GOP never hit paydirt on Obama. Trump puts his dirt right out there in the open. And the GOP is silent.

Luckily there's a new sheriff in town -- Pelosi and the Congressional Democrats.

But, yeah, Trump's open offenses are a sight to behold -- and something the GOP will pretend to care about the next time there's a Democrat in the White House for them to accuse of things they didn't care about when Trump was president.

One of Trump's often used "tactics" is openly breaking laws publicly because he thinks that makes it legal. It does not. His latest example is the witness tampering he has been doing with Cohen.

 

[iguanaman]

Impeachment - Currently 82% of Democrats say Trump should be, 12% say no. 7% of republicans say Trump should be impeached, 91% say no. This is a true partisan issue. So how do the more or less non-partisans, unaffiliated voters, commonly known as independents think about impeachment of Trump. 36% say Trump should be impeached, 55% say he shouldn't. Table 29, q6.

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/12/13/rel12b.-.congress.pdf

Just when I thought there wasn't a more partisan issue than the border wall, impeachment surpasses it in pure partisanship.

The house being Democratically controlled can impeach Trump anytime it wants for any reason it wants. But there is no way you going to get 20 current Republican Senators to join the 47 Democratic senators to vote guilty and for removal. As long as only one political party wants to impeach the president, any president without any support from the other party, with little support from independents, impeachment is a total waste of time, energy and money. Before I would even think seriously about impeachment, those 36% of independents now in favor would have to reach at least 56% if not 60%.

The Republicans found out with their impeachment of Bill Clinton that having only one party in favor of it is doomed to failure. Bill Clinton's impeachment was seen as being political vindictive by most Americans, Bill's popularity actually increased during the trial in the senate as he gained a ton of sympathy. If the Democrats try to impeach Trump alone, no support from the other party and the majority of independents against it, the Democrats just might be tarred as being political vindictive as the Republicans were when they did that to Bill.

The law in not a partisan issue and actually it is a matter of the House doing their job of oversight of the Executive branch. If their investigations find criminal behavior they have no alternative but to impeach. If they can't find 20 Republicans who believe a criminal should not be President it is not the Houses fault. The public rightly believed that Clinton was entrapped when he perjured himself on a personal matter and his approval was at 60% or higher when and during his impeachment. Trump has and will never even reach 50% approval.

December 21, 1998
In the wake of his impeachment, President Clinton's approval level with the voters leaps 10 points to a personal all-time high of 73 per cent in a Gallup poll. Sixty-eight per cent believe the Senate should not convict Mr Clinton in the pending impeachment trial, while support for resignation falls to 30 per cent. Other polls confirm the trend.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/1998/nov/18/clinton.usa

 

[AlphaOmega]

Deflect, deflect, deflect, that is all you can do. Why not discuss the topic of my OP. We know, because you have nothing to say on the subject so like many cons, deflect, deflect, deflect. Hypocrisy, your name is Trumpster.

lol...Iove crazy

 

[Perotista]

It is way too early to discuss impeachment, but maybe indictment. There is nothing in the constitution that says a president can not be indicted. With the present set up in the Senate, even with all the evidence in the world, the GOP in the Senate would never impeach trump as they are too afraid of his mob. So if the evidence is there, then it will have to be indictment

Impeachment is a political action commenced by the House of Representatives. An indictment would have to come from the judicial system. I'm not sure how that would work. Nixon was never indicated or impeached for that matter. Many Constitutional scholars/lawyers think an indictment and the following trial would have to wait until the president leaves office. Others disagree.

"CAN A SITTING PRESIDENT BE INDICTED?

Legal experts are divided on that question. The Supreme Court has never ruled on whether the president can be indicted or whether the president can be subpoenaed for testimony.

The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which provides legal advice and guidance to executive branch agencies, has maintained that a sitting president cannot be indicted. Two Justice Department reports, one in 1973 and one in 2000, came to the same conclusion.

Those reports essentially concluded that the president’s responsibilities are so important that an indictment would pose too many risks for the government to function properly.

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2018/12/08/can-a-sitting-president-be-indicted-while-in-office

Basically, until the SCOTUS rules, no one really knows if a sitting president can be indicted or not. Certainly he can be after he leaves office. He can stand trial and go to jail if found guilty, after he leaves office. But while someone is still president, no one knows.

Personally, I think it would set a bad precedence. If a sitting president can be indicated and forced to stand trial, even if this gets rid of Trump. what would happen is when a new president takes office, his political opposition would be filing indictment after indictment in hopes one sticks.

But until the SCOTUS rules on this, I don't think we have to worry about it. If Trump were indicted for whatever, he would just get a stay, get stays on it until the SCOTUS would rule. By then it would probably be a moot point as he would be out of office anyway. It takes a long time for anything to work its way up to the SCOTUS.

 

[Perotista]

The law in not a partisan issue and actually it is a matter of the House doing their job of oversight of the Executive branch. If their investigations find criminal behavior they have no alternative but to impeach. If they can't find 20 Republicans who believe a criminal should not be President it is not the Houses fault. The public rightly believed that Clinton was entrapped when he perjured himself on a personal matter and his approval was at 60% or higher when and during his impeachment. Trump has and will never even reach 50% approval.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/1998/nov/18/clinton.usa

As it now stands, impeach is very much very partisan. I agree on Bill Clinton. When only Democrats want Trump impeach with little support from anyone else who isn't a Democrat, that in itself makes it partisan. You'll find republicans on this very site defending the impeachment of Bill Clinton. He broke the law, he lied to congress, so they say. But the American public as a whole didn't want Bill impeached nor did they want him removed. It was an exercise in futility.

Without the backing of most Americans, at least a large majority, impeachment goes nowhere. Impeaching Trump and making him stand trial in the senate may make Democrats very happy. But it could also backfire like the impeachment of Bill Clinton did on the Republican. You're correct about Bill being very popular, Trump not. But if impeachment is seen as a purely partisan political vindictive move, thee is apt to be a price to pay and an unpopular president may become so, among independents that is. Trump will never become popular with Democrats, much like Bill never became popular with Republicans.

 

[GDViking]

He did not dispute the story, he said thta is was inaccurate. You are able to understand the difference, are you not?

As always if there is a straw no matter how distant, or small and flimsy, the cultists will reach for it then cling till their dying moment...

 

[iguanaman]

As it now stands, impeach is very much very partisan. I agree on Bill Clinton. When only Democrats want Trump impeach with little support from anyone else who isn't a Democrat, that in itself makes it partisan. You'll find republicans on this very site defending the impeachment of Bill Clinton. He broke the law, he lied to congress, so they say. But the American public as a whole didn't want Bill impeached nor did they want him removed. It was an exercise in futility.

Without the backing of most Americans, at least a large majority, impeachment goes nowhere. Impeaching Trump and making him stand trial in the senate may make Democrats very happy. But it could also backfire like the impeachment of Bill Clinton did on the Republican. You're correct about Bill being very popular, Trump not. But if impeachment is seen as a purely partisan political vindictive move, thee is apt to be a price to pay and an unpopular president may become so, among independents that is. Trump will never become popular with Democrats, much like Bill never became popular with Republicans.

That is why I stressed that it all depends on criminality of charges against Trump. Lying about sex did not resonate with the American people like the charges that Trump will likely face. Since any indictments are very unlikely from Trump's AG it is up to Congress to uphold the honor of the office of President and our country. There is nothing partisan about that.

 

[Perotista]

That is why I stressed that it all depends on criminality of charges against Trump. Lying about sex did not resonate with the American people like the charges that Trump will likely face. Since any indictments are very unlikely from Trump's AG it is up to Congress to uphold the honor of the office of President and our country. There is nothing partisan about that.

As of today, it is partisan as I stated. Democrats for, Republicans against, independents more or less ambivalent. That could change with serious charges, if they are brought forth and if most Americans consider Trump guilty of them. You used the word likely, good word as of today. It took almost two years for most Americans to turn on Nixon. It was a slow process. With most Americans supporting impeachment of Nixon, that was enough get 9 of the 42 Republicans senators to support impeachment and willing to convict. Nixon saw this and resigned instead of facing impeachment.

Today, instead of 9 of 42, the Democrats would need 20 of 53. That is if every Democratic senator voted to convict. Would Manchin do so? He's iffy. What about Jones? Jones is up for reelection in 2020. It just might take more than 20. Now I'm sure we're getting ahead of ourselves on this. At least I am.