How does gay marriage threaten my marriage? (1 Viewer)

[Mr. D]

How does gay marriage threaten my straight marriage?

I have never heard a sensible answer to that question.

Of course I've heard all the Bible answers that are based on pure faith, so please don't list those again! What "non religious argument" is there that my marriage is at risk if two gays decide to make a legal contract to be married and gain the rights of heterosexual married people!

 

[FallingPianos]

How does gay marriage threaten my straight marriage?

I've not heard anyone claim it does. what I have heard is that it threatens the institute of marriage. which it does. changing something threatens it by turning it into something else, and they dont want that.

I, on the other hand, am all for it. the "institution of marriage" as it currantly stands needs a lot of changes.

 

[vergiss]

Yeah, because Britney Spears' 55-hour marriage shows just how sacred the institution of marriage is. :doh

 

[Jerry]

How does gay marriage threaten my straight marriage?

I have never heard a sensible answer to that question.

Of course I've heard all the Bible answers that are based on pure faith, so please don't list those again! What "non religious argument" is there that my marriage is at risk if two gays decide to make a legal contract to be married and gain the rights of heterosexual married people!

It is not Gay marriage per se, but the evocation of the 14th. Amendment in the pursuit of Gay marriage which threatens yours; As the 14th. will strip away nearly all defining terms of marriage.

When a thing ceases to have defining terms, it ceases to be a thing.

A nation without borders ceases to be a nation, for how then could one stand in a spot and say “our law applies here, but not there” or “this is America, and that is not”, with out a border upon which to define such?

When the institution of marriage ceases to have defining terms, how then can one say “this is a marriage, that is not”? What then would a marriage be, having no defining terms to describe it?

The relation of 2 Men is as brothers, not spouses. The relation of 2 women is as sisters, not spouses. The relation of adult and child (parental sig) is as parent and child, not spouses. The relation of a couples male and female children are as brother and sister, not spouses.

The love is real, but the lust is confused.

With women’s powerful emotions being manipulated through threats and illusions of subservience and oppression, and the male “Father-figure” archetype (as represented by the Church, Law and natural masculine behavior) under constant assault, it is no wonder that we are loosing our way and becoming confused.

Indeed, today’s relative-morality is spiritual vertigo.

 

[Jerry]

Yeah, because Britney Spears' 55-hour marriage shows just how sacred the institution of marriage is. :doh

Brittany Spears is a great example of what marriage is becoming, not of what it is supposed to be.

 

[FallingPianos]

When a thing ceases to have defining terms, it ceases to be a thing.

gay marriage certainly changes the definition of marriage, but it hardly removes it. marriage would still be very clearly defined by the law.

and of course, the chuch is still free to define it however it wishes.

 

[Donkey1499]

How does gay marriage threaten my straight marriage?

I have never heard a sensible answer to that question.

Of course I've heard all the Bible answers that are based on pure faith, so please don't list those again! What "non religious argument" is there that my marriage is at risk if two gays decide to make a legal contract to be married and gain the rights of heterosexual married people!

Because if gays marry then the world will end and Hitler will come to life again and enslave the conservative atheists and make them murder the liberal ones and then he'll freeze all the jews in ice then shatter them. Anyway, the world as we know it will come to an abrupt end.

 

[Jerry]

gay marriage certainly changes the definition of marriage, but it hardly removes it. marriage would still be very clearly defined by the law.

and of course, the chuch is still free to define it however it wishes.

In the days of interracial marriage debates, most scoffed at the assertion that allowing blacks to marry whites per the 14th. would lead to men marrying men.

Now look where we are.

No one said that it would happen over night. Only that it would happen. Once marriage is labeled as discriminatory, there can be no other logical result.

The Church is no longer "The Church". It's priests are not ordained properly, so they are not priests at all. Mass is no longer "Mass", as the old Mass has been don away with; the words of Jesus twisted, the order of Mass forgotten, the Communion ill blessed, if at all. Even the Last Rights have been replaced with the "Blessing for the Sick".

When one goes to a Mass which is a lie, and they open them selves presumably to God, since the Mass is a lie, they are not opening themselves to God, but something evil. They allow evil influences to enter their minds, and we here of child abuse as a result of their mistake.

You will find that, after the passing of Benedict, the Church will support promiscuity, gay marriage and the like more and more. After the next Pope, there will be no more, and the church as we know it will cease to be entirely.

 

[FallingPianos]

In the days of interracial marriage debates, most scoffed at the assertion that allowing blacks to marry whites per the 14th. would lead to men marrying men.

Now look where we are.

No one said that it would happen over night. Only that it would happen. Once marriage is labeled as discriminatory, there can be no other logical result.

we're finally headed in the right direction.

The Church is no longer "The Church". It's priests are not ordained properly, so they are not priests at all. Mass is no longer "Mass", as the old Mass has been don away with; the words of Jesus twisted, the order of Mass forgotten, the Communion ill blessed, if at all. Even the Last Rights have been replaced with the "Blessing for the Sick".

When one goes to a Mass which is a lie, and they open them selves presumably to God, since the Mass is a lie, they are not opening themselves to God, but something evil. They allow evil influences to enter their minds, and we here of child abuse as a result of their mistake.

You will find that, after the passing of Benedict, the Church will support promiscuity, gay marriage and the like more and more. After the next Pope, there will be no more, and the church as we know it will cease to be entirely.

heh. sucks for catholics I guess.

 

[Donkey1499]

In the days of interracial marriage debates, most scoffed at the assertion that allowing blacks to marry whites per the 14th. would lead to men marrying men.

Now look where we are.

No one said that it would happen over night. Only that it would happen. Once marriage is labeled as discriminatory, there can be no other logical result.

The Church is no longer "The Church". It's priests are not ordained properly, so they are not priests at all. Mass is no longer "Mass", as the old Mass has been don away with; the words of Jesus twisted, the order of Mass forgotten, the Communion ill blessed, if at all. Even the Last Rights have been replaced with the "Blessing for the Sick".

When one goes to a Mass which is a lie, and they open them selves presumably to God, since the Mass is a lie, they are not opening themselves to God, but something evil. They allow evil influences to enter their minds, and we here of child abuse as a result of their mistake.

You will find that, after the passing of Benedict, the Church will support promiscuity, gay marriage and the like more and more. After the next Pope, there will be no more, and the church as we know it will cease to be entirely.

You could also say that if gay marriage is allowed then 40 yr old men could marry 6 yr old boys/girls, people could marry animals, and that people could also marry their parents. We've got to be fair, right?

 

[Medussa]

Because if gays marry then the world will end and Hitler will come to life again and enslave the conservative atheists and make them murder the liberal ones and then he'll freeze all the jews in ice then shatter them.

He will make a lot of people happy... or should I say countries? :3oops:

 

[cherokee]

How does gay marriage threaten my straight marriage?

I have never heard a sensible answer to that question.

Of course I've heard all the Bible answers that are based on pure faith, so please don't list those again! What "non religious argument" is there that my marriage is at risk if two gays decide to make a legal contract to be married and gain the rights of heterosexual married people!

I asked the same question...

103 pages with 1022 posts...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?t=3798

 

[Jerry]

In the days of interracial marriage debates, most scoffed at the assertion that allowing blacks to marry whites per the 14th. would lead to men marrying men.

Now look where we are.

No one said that it would happen over night. Only that it would happen. Once marriage is labeled as discriminatory, there can be no other logical result.

we're finally headed in the right direction.



heh. sucks for catholics I guess.

You believe that the eventual destruction of marriage, which would also include gay marriage, mind you, is the "right direction"?

I disagree. Marriage forms and maintains the family unit, which defines society. As marriage goes, so goes society.

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You think that the church only applies to Catholics? Man's ancient roots are sheared by all, including you. Learn of how and why the church falls and you will learn of how you are directly effected.

 

[Alex]

You believe that the eventual destruction of marriage, which would also include gay marriage, mind you, is the "right direction"?

I disagree. Marriage forms and maintains the family unit, which defines society. As marriage goes, so goes society.

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You think that the church only applies to Catholics? Man's ancient roots are sheared by all, including you. Learn of how and why the church falls and you will learn of how you are directly effected.

Marriage is not being destroyed by allowing same-sex couples to be a part of it. Why can't gays have a family unit? They can reproduce like straight couples, just with a little more help. Explain to me exactly how allowing same-sex marriage would ruin society? It is too easy for people to state this without justification.

There is no good and objective reason for banning same-sex marriage, therefore, the only real reason for banning it is subjective, which makes it a personal prejudice. Our laws cannot be based on subjective reasoning only, it must have some element of objectivity.

 

[Donkey1499]

Marriage is not being destroyed by allowing same-sex couples to be a part of it. Why can't gays have a family unit? They can reproduce like straight couples, just with a little more help. Explain to me exactly how allowing same-sex marriage would ruin society? It is too easy for people to state this without justification.

There is no good and objective reason for banning same-sex marriage, therefore, the only real reason for banning it is subjective, which makes it a personal prejudice. Our laws cannot be based on subjective reasoning only, it must have some element of objectivity.

Please don't tell me you're like Sissyboy and want to have it so men can become pregnant too? :shock:

 

[FallingPianos]

You believe that the eventual destruction of marriage, which would also include gay marriage, mind you, is the "right direction"?

marriage isnt heading towards destruction. gay marriage would be a much needed improvement.

You think that the church only applies to Catholics?

of course not, but I was responding to your comment, which was very clearly about the catholic church.

 

[Donkey1499]

marriage isnt heading towards destruction. gay marriage would be a much needed improvement.

of course not, but I was responding to your comment, which was very clearly about the catholic church.

Why is gay marriage a "much needed improvement"? What's the improvement?

 

[FallingPianos]

Why is gay marriage a "much needed improvement"? What's the improvement?

gay couples would be given the same rights and privileges as other couples.

 

[Donkey1499]

gay couples would be given the same rights and privileges as other couples.

The right to have to stay with that person forever, to listen to the constant nagging and buggering? Is that what they really want? :mrgreen:

 

[Jerry]

You could also say that if gay marriage is allowed then 40 yr old men could marry 6 yr old boys/girls,

It happened in Rome. No, wait....Cesar didn't bother marrying his Minnows.....never mind.

people could marry animals,

I'm speaking to the destruction of the institution of marriage, not rather the constitution applies to animals (which it does not) or rather animals can consent to anything.

and that people could also marry their parents.

Yes.

We've got to be fair, right?

Sure.

 

[Donkey1499]

It happened in Rome. No, wait....Cesar didn't bother marrying his Minnows.....never mind.


I'm speaking to the destruction of the institution of marriage, not rather the constitution applies to animals (which it does not) or rather animals can consent to anything.


Yes.


Sure.

My pointless point was, that if you allow gay marriage then all these other groups, like NAMBLA, will come forward and say: "Well you let a bunch of fags and dykes get their rights, what about us? Why can't you be fair?"

I'll allow gay marriage (I guess) but I'm just afraid that these other groups will want their "rights" too.

 

[Jerry]

Marriage is not being destroyed by allowing same-sex couples to be a part of it.

I didn't say that.
I said that it was the method of obtaining gay marriage, not gay marriage itself.

Why can't gays have a family unit?

They can.

They can reproduce like straight couples....

A penis can not carry a child 9 months to term. A vagina does not produce sperm.

...just with a little more help.

You are attempting to liken homosexual reproduction to heterosexual reproduction. That is a Natural Law argument. Once you establish the Natural Law premise you must abandon gay marriage entirely, as gay marriage does not accurately represent the natural relationship of 2 men: either as brothers or as father and son.

If one likens the need for extra-marital help in homosexual reproduction to that of an infertile heterosexual couples need for similar, then concession that both couples are experiencing a malfunction in the normal, natural order is automatic; as a healthy hetero. couple can reproduce within the marriage, and a healthy homosexual couple can never reproduce within the marriage.

Explain to me exactly how allowing same-sex marriage would ruin society?

I didn't say that it would.
I said destroying the institution of marriage would destroy society, as marriage is the cornerstone of society. As marriage goes, so does society.

It is too easy for people to state this without justification.

Sure.

There is no good and objective reason for banning same-sex marriage,....

The methodology by which it is being sawt will ultimately destroy marriage for everyone.

....therefore, the only real reason for banning it is subjective, which makes it a personal prejudice.

I disagree.

Our laws cannot be based on subjective reasoning only, it must have some element of objectivity.

I agree.

The use of the 14th. Amendment to achieve gay marriage will lead to the ultimate destruction of marriage entirely.

 

[Jerry]

marriage isnt heading towards destruction. gay marriage would be a much needed improvement.

How would the advent of gay marriage help reduce the hetero. 1st. marriage divorce rate?

How would the advent of gay marriage help reduce the hetero. after-1st marriage divorce rate?

Please cite the reasons for both 1st. marriage divorces and after-1st. marriage divorces, briefly illustrating how gay marriage will reduce or, hopefully, eliminate these problems.

 

[FallingPianos]

How would the advent of gay marriage help reduce the hetero. 1st. marriage divorce rate?

How would the advent of gay marriage help reduce the hetero. after-1st marriage divorce rate?

Please cite the reasons for both 1st. marriage divorces and after-1st. marriage divorces, briefly illustrating how gay marriage will reduce or, hopefully, eliminate these problems.

it would do neither. it would improve marriage by making it fair.

 

[Jerry]

My pointless point was, that if you allow gay marriage then all these other groups, like NAMBLA, will come forward and say: "Well you let a bunch of fags and dykes get their rights, what about us? Why can't you be fair?"

I'll allow gay marriage (I guess) but I'm just afraid that these other groups will want their "rights" too.

I don't believe that their wording will be quite like that, but other than the fact that homosexual people didn't come out and say anything like "well, you let a bunch of ni##ers and white trash get their rights, what about us": You got it.

Social acclimation takes time, so these things will not come about over night. It will take more shows like Big Love, and perhaps a BrokeBack movie, to acclimate society enough to begin accepting polygamist marriages.