How do you Prevent Racism?

[Cassandra_Temptress]

This poll seems pretty lop-sided, and unintellegently made. What kind of question, such as this, is subjected to a poll that doesn't even cover any material in what the actually teach in school? According to the National Community of Christians and Jews, education is the only best combat that we have against racism. These things stem from home, so it would be hard to work with anyone like this, but its not immpossible.

 

[americanwoman]

This poll seems pretty lop-sided, and unintellegently made.

That is pmskid in a nutshell.

 

[Gibberish]

We are going to have to figure something out according to some race and population statistics on America hitting its 300 million mark in citizens.

Between the last official census in 2000 and the one of 2050, non-Hispanic whites will have dwindled from 69 percent to a bare majority of 50.1 percent. The share who are Hispanic will have doubled to 24 percent. Asians also will have doubled to 8 percent of the population. African-Americans will have edged up to 14 percent. In other words, the US will be on the verge of becoming a "majority of minorities."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20061010/ts_csm/apopfive_1

White America will be loosing its majority (if you group all other races into a single group as is usually done) hold within the next 100 years. Granted that America is still America in 100 years.

 

[ptsdkid]

This poll seems pretty lop-sided, and unintellegently made. What kind of question, such as this, is subjected to a poll that doesn't even cover any material in what the actually teach in school? According to the National Community of Christians and Jews, education is the only best combat that we have against racism. These things stem from home, so it would be hard to work with anyone like this, but its not immpossible.

***Yes, education is the key here. What do we do with these people (multiculturalists) that refuse or ignore to mesh in, or when they try to interject their former culture into ours--as being their go to culture up and above the American culture? Perhaps we should create a school curriculum to help assimilate these people, by first teaching them English and American History 101. I'm doing my part every day to help Americanize as many of these lost souls as possible. Of course, I prefer the direct approach of inculcating them into American Capitalism and Conservatism...so as to help them get a step up on the rest of the boat people that just seem to be treading water in shallow seas. Getting them to vote a straight Republican ticket (once they're able to read) will help reassure the fact that they have become true Americans.

 

[Gibberish]

***Yes, education is the key here. What do we do with these people (multiculturalists) that refuse or ignore to mesh in, or when they try to interject their former culture into ours--as being their go to culture up and above the American culture? Perhaps we should create a school curriculum to help assimilate these people, by first teaching them English and American History 101. I'm doing my part every day to help Americanize as many of these lost souls as possible. Of course, I prefer the direct approach of inculcating them into American Capitalism and Conservatism...so as to help them get a step up on the rest of the boat people that just seem to be treading water in shallow seas. Getting them to vote a straight Republican ticket (once they're able to read) will help reassure the fact that they have become true Americans.

The problem with your whole logic is America was built on Liberalism not Conservatism. It was liberalism that drove us to revolt against England. It was liberalism that made America the slave free country it is today. It was liberalism that allows women to vote and be equal citizens. It was liberalism that created the democracy we have.

Are you saying we should bring back slavery, abolish woman's rights and allow England to control us once again? That would be going back to Conservatism.

 

[Topsez]

The problem with your whole logic is America was built on Liberalism not Conservatism.

You are full of crap... go read the Church and State link on Was America founded on Judeo Christian Values and get back with us.

 

[ptsdkid]

The problem with your whole logic is America was built on Liberalism not Conservatism. It was liberalism that drove us to revolt against England. It was liberalism that made America the slave free country it is today. It was liberalism that allows women to vote and be equal citizens. It was liberalism that created the democracy we have.

***There are certainly various forms to describing liberalism and Conservatism. I prefer to think of our founding fathers' as people who established an identity by fighting for their independence--free from a liberally aggressive and domineering foreign government. The government our founding fathers' established ran by strict conservative rules so as to keep a tight ship among the original 13 colonies. They couldn't let Massachusetts or New Hampshire create trade partners in the East Indies..without offering the same deal to Virginia and South Carolina. So the government had to start out in a Conservative mode. Wasn't it the Republican Abe Lincoln that put a stop to Southern White plantation owners having a liberal ownership to slaves..where everyone in the country was to be treated on equal grounds? So it wasn't liberalism at all that led to a slave free America.

Are you saying we should bring back slavery, abolish woman's rights and allow England to control us once again? That would be going back to Conservatism.

***What a nonsensical statement that is. A Republican president brought an end to slavery, and last time I checked--he hadn't heard of the word liberal. Do these women's rights you think come as a result of liberalism...include the same woman's right to murder her unborn? Quite a legacy to be proud of for a liberal, wouldn't you say.
Conservatism is tax cuts, Capitalism, morality and Christian faith all rolled into one. Last time I checked--tax cuts help fuel the economy; capitalism fuels the economy as well, and it is the engine that gurantees that America will remain the #1 super power among all nations; and 86% of Americans call themselves Christians. Oh, and the morality factor for liberalism can best be seen in Hollywood with the 24/7 smut, or in allowing abortion to kill 1 million Americans per year. Please feel free to put your liberalism up against those all-American traits.

 

[Gibberish]

A Republican president brought an end to slavery, and last time I checked--he hadn't heard of the word liberal.

So what? Just because someone is labeled Republican doesn't mean they have to have conservative views on every topic. Lincoln was non-partisan enough to see that conservatives were wrong in this instance.

Do these women's rights you think come as a result of liberalism...include the same woman's right to murder her unborn? Quite a legacy to be proud of for a liberal, wouldn't you say.

What an ignorant statement. The right to choice in abortions has nothing to do with woman's rights. It is about choice, woman just happen to be the vessels. I was obviously refering to woman's rights in the work place and to vote, before you tried to cast a degrogatory spin.

Conservatism is tax cuts, Capitalism, morality and Christian faith all rolled into one. Last time I checked--tax cuts help fuel the economy; capitalism fuels the economy as well, and it is the engine that gurantees that America will remain the #1 super power among all nations; and 86% of Americans call themselves Christians. Oh, and the morality factor for liberalism can best be seen in Hollywood with the 24/7 smut, or in allowing abortion to kill 1 million Americans per year. Please feel free to put your liberalism up against those all-American traits.

Conservatism is anti-change and traditionalism. How are tax cuts today helping our economy? Morality is subjective. Your morality is driven by a faith that not everyone shares or agrees with. Liberals moral conclusion is determined by the situation and the facts not what some man interpreted from a 2000 year old book.

Your way of thinking is everything that is wrong with America today. This one-sided, my way or the highway thinking is exactly what will lead America down the path of destruction or fascism.

 

[Gibberish]

You are full of crap... go read the Church and State link on Was America founded on Judeo Christian Values and get back with us.

The religious nature on the founding of this country is not what is under discussion. The fact that the founding fathers made it a point to exclude religious beliefs from government underlines the fact that the country was not built for religious beliefs.

The first pilgrims came here to this land for conservatism. The country, however, was not founded on it.

 

[Topsez]

The religious nature on the founding of this country is not what is under discussion. The fact that the founding fathers made it a point to exclude religious beliefs from government underlines the fact that the country was not built for religious beliefs.

The first pilgrims came here to this land for conservatism. The country, however, was not founded on it.

You are simply wrong... the bill of rights was based on Christian philosophy and not secular liberalism as you like to think... this is spelled out in post 100 or 101 of the Church and State topic Was America founded on secular or Judeo Christian values.

There is no right in America that doesn't come from God... if you can prove different then I will ask for your forgiveness. Check out the other link since rewriting the proof is a waste of effort.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Cute perhaps, but anything but good.

Ah, jealousy rears the ugly head of denial. :2razz:

Thanks for reminding me. I still get you mixed up with that Captain American fella. Oh well, when you're wrong...you're wrong, regardless of the handle.

Come on, Kid, you couldn't do any better than this? You're slipping.

You're still having trouble understanding the color of the skin of the English, Irish, French, Dutch, Portuguese, German, Swedish, and Scottish. While I cannot vouch for our founding fathers' having 'white pride'--my guess is that they did have an enormous amount of white pride (since that was the color of their skins).

Here is the basic fallacy of this part of your argument. You again, and I think that this is the third thread that this has occurred in, fail to define 'white' adequetly. There is no evidence that original non-native Americans had 'white pride' in the segregational sense that many 'white priders' of today do. These people were immigrants and encourged foreign nationalities to meld into an American culture. We still do this today, keeping with the 'founding fathers' plan. I would believe, and I bet you would too, that these Americans had American Pride.

Your intent here is to try to project my views as those pitting one race or one religion against another, in lieu of creating the perfect segregationist white pride race.

If I'm getting you correctly, you have now exposed your agenda. In your previous posts, you have consistently stated things like "Those Americans that have learned to assimilate to the American culture by obeying it's laws will be considered to be members of one big happy segregated family of Americans", and "So segregation can mean mixing various foreign nationalities into one, so long as the one becomes America in the process" and, "So race doesn't mean squat to me; its their character of understanding what it means to be an American that matters most". No where did you say that it meant creating the perfect segretationalist white pride race. Methinks your hypocracy is showing.

That simply is not the case. I spread my arms open for all races and religions to join the American culture. My arms tend to close up when Islamic jihadists, Mexican illegals, anti American liberals, anti American anyone, illegal anyone, black power sc um, and any other American non conformists try to interject their criminal intent onto the American culture.

Interesting. Here we seem to agree. If one does not want to become part of American culture and performs criminal acts towards this gain, why should they stay?

Perhaps you're catching on to my message here.

When you speak in a pro-American way, and speak of American pride, we agree. Perhaps you're catching on to my message.

Please show me where WHITE PRIDERS are one of the many problem sub-cultures in America? White Priders are the very essence of our Founding Fathers' tradition. Need I teach you this history fact again and again?

I don't have to; you already have. When 'white priders' refuse to assimilate into the mixed foreign nationality culture that has become America then their subculture causes racial tension and they should leave. And I think I've laready explained history to you earlier in this thread. Our founding fathers had American Pride. They had pride in their country of melded nationalities forming a new culture. And they were fighting other 'whites', too, weren't they?

My WHITE pride and American pride are mutually inclusive entities. I exude them both at will.

I also claim an ethnicity to be totally American. Not once here have I gone into my European roots of Irish and English.

Are these to above quotes a contradiction or are you now stating as part of the definition of 'white' that 'white' is not an ethnicity?

Nothing to retract here. I said that perhaps you're a racist. Pride in one's race and having a penchant to segregate people into the American culture does not make for a racist, or for racism. Those unwilling to culturalize into the American society may very well be the racists that you seem to be looking for. Rather than knock someone for having white pride, try joining the bandwagon of those praising America and it's White historical roots.

I praise America and it's multinational, multiethnic, multireligious roots that have come to form and continue to form this great culture. I hope that we can come to some sort of agreement on the importance of American Pride, here.

 

[ptsdkid]

Come on, Kid, you couldn't do any better than this? You're slipping.

***The day I slip on anything other than a banana peel, would be the day that you started to make sense.



Here is the basic fallacy of this part of your argument. You again, and I think that this is the third thread that this has occurred in, fail to define 'white' adequetly.

***I thought that Whip had answered your questions on color blindness.


There is no evidence that original non-native Americans had 'white pride' in the segregational sense that many 'white priders' of today do. These people were immigrants and encourged foreign nationalities to meld into an American culture. We still do this today, keeping with the 'founding fathers' plan. I would believe, and I bet you would too, that these Americans had American Pride.

***Can we both agree that our founding fathers had pride in and of their people of that time? If yes, and 100% of their people were White--then doesn't it make sense to believe they had White pride as well as American pride?


If I'm getting you correctly, you have now exposed your agenda. In your previous posts, you have consistently stated things like "Those Americans that have learned to assimilate to the American culture by obeying it's laws will be considered to be members of one big happy segregated family of Americans", and "So segregation can mean mixing various foreign nationalities into one, so long as the one becomes America in the process" and, "So race doesn't mean squat to me; its their character of understanding what it means to be an American that matters most". No where did you say that it meant creating the perfect segretationalist white pride race. Methinks your hypocracy is showing.

***Creating the perfect segregationalist race means creating an all inclusive mindset of culturalated Americans. So far, those willing to sacrifice their foreign nationalities, race, ethnicities to become all-Americans have simply been the White Priders.



Interesting. Here we seem to agree. If one does not want to become part of American culture and performs criminal acts towards this gain, why should they stay?

***Yes, America, Love it or Leave It! Btw, did those Hollywood elitist liberals that said they leave America for good if Bush were to win in 2000 and 2004...actually leave the country? Alec Baldwin for one comes to mind.



When you speak in a pro-American way, and speak of American pride, we agree. Perhaps you're catching on to my message.

***Nice try, but you know it has been me and the Conservatives here that have championed this pro-American issue all along.



I don't have to; you already have. When 'white priders' refuse to assimilate into the mixed foreign nationality culture that has become America then their subculture causes racial tension and they should leave. And I think I've laready explained history to you earlier in this thread. Our founding fathers had American Pride. They had pride in their country of melded nationalities forming a new culture. And they were fighting other 'whites', too, weren't they?

***Its not the White priders that are refusing to become Americanized--its the foreign multiculturalists that refuse to accept our culture.





Are these to above quotes a contradiction or are you now stating as part of the definition of 'white' that 'white' is not an ethnicity?

***Cannot follow you here. Sorry.



I praise America and it's multinational, multiethnic, multireligious roots that have come to form and continue to form this great culture. I hope that we can come to some sort of agreement on the importance of American Pride, here.

***You won't be talking to anyone soon that has more American pride then your truly.

 

[Gibberish]

You are simply wrong... the bill of rights was based on Christian philosophy and not secular liberalism as you like to think... this is spelled out in post 100 or 101 of the Church and State topic Was America founded on secular or Judeo Christian values.

There is no right in America that doesn't come from God... if you can prove different then I will ask for your forgiveness. Check out the other link since rewriting the proof is a waste of effort.

Where was I wrong? I said the government was not built FOR religious beliefs, I never stated it wasn't built ON them. The constitution was built FROM the morals of the founding fathers, which was driven by Christianity. However, the constitution is not a Christian text; it is meant to be a government text free from specific religion. It was built to be mended or molded no matter the religion. Just be cause the writers happen to be Christian doesn't mean only Christians can have any say on the text, this isn't the Catholic Church it is America.

 

[Gibberish]

ptsdkid,

Race supremacy is historically seen as evil and is responsible for more murders and deaths then anything else in the history of mankind, other then religion. Granted history is written by those who win and race supremacy has never won.

I believe you stated you're Christian, what of Jesus's teachings (who was not a white man) teaches that one race should rule and kill off all the others? Or are you more of a Darwinist then a Christian?

 

[ptsdkid]

ptsdkid,

Race supremacy is historically seen as evil and is responsible for more murders and deaths then anything else in the history of mankind, other then religion. Granted history is written by those who win and race supremacy has never won.

***I agree with you that race superiority is evil. I have been touting this thing called White Pride--which is anything thing but supremist in it's meaning.

I believe you stated you're Christian, what of Jesus's teachings (who was not a white man) teaches that one race should rule and kill off all the others? Or are you more of a Darwinist then a Christian?

***Jeusus was a White man, and you're right--he wouldn't condone the killing of one race over another.

 

[Gibberish]

***Jeusus was a White man, and you're right--he wouldn't condone the killing of one race over another.

He was a white man the same as Israelis, Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanese, and Greeks are white.

 

[ptsdkid]

He was a white man the same as Israelis, Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanese, and Greeks are white.

***Jesus was a Galilean--a white race.

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

***Jesus was a Galilean--a white race.

So he isn't G-d right?

 

[Topsez]

Where was I wrong? I said the government was not built FOR religious beliefs, I never stated it wasn't built ON them. The constitution was built FROM the morals of the founding fathers, which was driven by Christianity. However, the constitution is not a Christian text; it is meant to be a government text free from specific religion. It was built to be mended or molded no matter the religion. Just be cause the writers happen to be Christian doesn't mean only Christians can have any say on the text, this isn't the Catholic Church it is America.

This is what you originally stated:

The problem with your whole logic is America was built on Liberalism not Conservatism. It was liberalism that drove us to revolt against England. It was liberalism that made America the slave free country it is today. It was liberalism that allows women to vote and be equal citizens. It was liberalism that created the democracy we have.

Are you saying we should bring back slavery, abolish woman's rights and allow England to control us once again? That would be going back to Conservatism.

There was nothing liberal about the constitution... the bill of rights are based on Christian philosophy... all mans rights come from god and not government... no particular religious faction will be recognized over another religious faction... Look up conservatism in Encarta and you will see it mirrors the US Constitution and the reluctance to change from the norm...

So we agree America doesn't endorse a denomination of the church but disagree that America is or ever was liberal in the formulation of government.

 

[Gibberish]

***Jesus was a Galilean--a white race.

That's great. Have any proof that an individual in Galilee at the time of Jesus was physically different looking then any other Israel territory? Or is "white" just anyone who does not have asian or african features?

 

[Gibberish]

This is what you originally stated:

I was referring to the post you quoted, not the one on the first page of this thread that you never acknowledged until now.
This was the paragraph I posted i was referencing:
"The religious nature on the founding of this country is not what is under discussion. The fact that the founding fathers made it a point to exclude religious beliefs from government underlines the fact that the country was not built for religious beliefs."

In the sentence "America was built on Liberalism not Conservatism" I was implying that the thought and action of creating American was Liberal not Conservative. Unless you want to argue that it is conservative to break away from the current governing body and create a new sovereign nation?

 

[ptsdkid]

That's great. Have any proof that an individual in Galilee at the time of Jesus was physically different looking then any other Israel territory? Or is "white" just anyone who does not have asian or african features?

***Yeah, I have this 3" X 2" glossy picture of Jesus in my wallet that clearly shows our Lord to be white with long brown flowing hair. I have yet to see a black man with brown hair--unless of course he dyed it that way. This particular picture of Jesus is a bit out of focus, since the glare from his white skin had upset the final picture. Those instant Kodak cameras are more trouble then their worth, but Jesus was a patient and willing participant for the photo shoot.

 

[Gibberish]

***Yeah, I have this 3" X 2" glossy picture of Jesus in my wallet that clearly shows our Lord to be white with long brown flowing hair. I have yet to see a black man with brown hair--unless of course he dyed it that way. This particular picture of Jesus is a bit out of focus, since the glare from his white skin had upset the final picture. Those instant Kodak cameras are more trouble then their worth, but Jesus was a patient and willing participant for the photo shoot.

:rofl

I had Jesus over for dinner the other day and he was darker then me, maybe he's been tanning?

 

[ptsdkid]

:rofl

I had Jesus over for dinner the other day and he was darker then me, maybe he's been tanning?

***Was that the Last Supper you're talking about? We're all getting darker these daze since we're under constant attack from sun raze due to this global warming sensation. I hardly know where to turn anymore to keep my white skin white.

 

[Gibberish]

***Was that the Last Supper you're talking about? We're all getting darker these daze since we're under constant attack from sun raze due to this global warming sensation. I hardly know where to turn anymore to keep my white skin white.

Well it was the Last Supper for me, until tonight that is.

Maybe you should think about living in cave somewhere, that way the sun can't find you.