How do we build a better educational program?

[The Baron]

Get real, Public schools helped America advance where some nations did not-

American kids are lagging behind the kids of other industrial nations and we pay more per student. What we are doing doesn't work. It's bull$h!t.

our problem is that the Daughter of the Confederacy, had too much say about what went into school books.

You've got to be f*%$#@g kidding me.

Republican playing "test score based budgeting' is what limited the growth and expansion as well as the removal of many cultural programs from the education system.

Whatever. The system is broken and should be scrapped.

We have never seen a public school in a well to do community or wealthy community that did not have advanced programming and facilities that are kept in tip top condition, even during the summer season when no kids are on campus. You will NEVER see the grass overgrown at these schools in well to do communities and you will NEVER seen and unkept campus. School Boards know it, but the accept distractions to keep them from addressing the inequality.

I could care less about the inequality. The system doesn't work. There should be no debate about this.

 

[RealityNow]

Reply to Post 176

It must work to some level, you seem to be able to read, now, as to critical thinking, I'm not sure, nor am I sure you engage research; because if you did, you'd have known the influence of The Daughter of The Confederacy !! Yes, its the same group that put all those Confederate Statues across the nation.

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How The Daughters Of The Confederacy Continue To Influence Racism​

Beliefs matter. Truth matters. The United Daughters of the Confederacy still exist today, and though their message has softened and their influence has waned somewhat over the years, they continue to propagate falsehoods. They remain in many circles a respected organization. Their work has influenced millions of Americans to believe a narrative that is easily verifiable as false by simply reading the primary materials of the era about which they claim to know the real truth. It’s time we recognize the harm this group has done and leave them behind, in history, where they belong.
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Libertarians, and much of their anti government is likely why you can't and don't comprehend a perspective beyond your own. Like it or not, you live in a "GOVERNED SOCIETY".
It's because you live in a Governed Society that you get to think your thoughts and have your idea's, but they don't supersede what is a Governed System.

There will be no abolition of Income Tax, Property Tax, Sales Taxes and Other Taxes. and there has NEVER been any such thing as "Small Government", some points of the party may have validity and may even promote beneficial changes in the things that can be changed for improvement, but as to the abolition of what Libertarians don't like. I simply don't see that happening in your or my lifetime.

Libertarians in many ways sound like and offshoot of Republicanism mixed with Confederacy with regard to trying to Diminish Government. Fiscal Conservatism has always been nothing more than a fiction, with an aim to do nothing but "defeat programming it does not want others to share in". but fact is we live in a Social Society built upon Liberal Doctrines, "if you read the Declaration of Independence and The Preamble and The Constitution".
We also have a Financial System based on Capitalism, it does not mean hoard, chase greed, and avoid taxes, it is about a System that developed a Currency to facilitate the ease of exchange, through the usage of Denominational Currency. Taxation on that usage of currency in the system of societal exchange, a tax is extracted, and those taxes go into the Federal Treasury, and CONGRESS utilize that Tax to facilitate the systems that has made this nation prosper, and our society function.
You can drink your tap water because we have the EPA, you can drive on the streets and have safety features because we have the Department of Transportation, the highway exist because of the same Department. Every Department was created to address a NEED and that is what it does.
People are corrupt, not the principles of Governance, it's people who get in seats of government and cause the corruption by their lack of Civics Understanding of What American Democracy is and How to Respectfully and live in a Republic form of Representative Governance, without letting their selfishness, vanity, greed, and haughitness overtake them and lead them to bastardize the principles for their own self gratifications and abusive usages to enrich themselves.

The Government is not the problem, it's the people are not Educated in Civics to know how to Elect Representative who will honor and respect the documents that established this nation and manage its systems.

You want to blame something, then blame "White Nationalism"... because it was white men who bastardized the system before it could get fully established to do what it was designed to do. They started off with some bullshit, of claiming only wealthy and land holding and business owning white men could vote. That's within the roots of the malice that bastardized the design. Then they embraced and continued the vile malice of slavery, and these same wealthy white men saw the uneducated white people as nothing more than pawns to be played, to keep themselves in power... and after all these 100's of years, white people still have not figured it out. They blame government when the blame is the ideology of white nationalism of wealthy white male dominance.
White people have been groomed to fight the wind, while being urged on by the rabid fox behind him.. that fox is "white nationalism of wealthy white male dominance".

 

[RealityNow]

American kids are lagging behind the kids of other industrial nations and we pay more per student. What we are doing doesn't work. It's bull$h!t.

You've got to be f*%$#@g kidding me.

Whatever. The system is broken and should be scrapped.

I could care less about the inequality. The system doesn't work. There should be no debate about this.

Your lack of care about inequality say's it all...

That's likely why the Libertarian Party looks like this:
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Platform | Libertarian Party

As adopted by convention, May 2022, Sparks, Nevada. Download PDF

www.lp.org

​

Libertarians claim that:

• "We condemn bigotry as irrational and repugnant."​

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Yet, the definition of the word "Bigotry" is:

• The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot; intolerance.
• The character or mode of thought of a bigot; obstinate and unreasonable attachment to a particular creed, opinion, practice, ritual, or party organization; excessive zeal or warmth in favor of a party, sect, or opinion; intolerance of the opinions of others.

 

[Lafayette]

Scrap the public school system. Eradiate the teacher's unions. Focus on the basics, science, reading comprehension.

Hitler could not have said it better ...

 

[Lafayette]

Their work has influenced millions of Americans to believe a narrative that is easily verifiable as false by simply reading the primary materials of the era about which they claim to know the real truth. It’s time we recognize the harm this group has done and leave them behind, in history, where they belong.
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Which should be taught in any high-school in the land. The narrative hasn't changed but our collective desire to believe it has. Why?

Go figure. The history of the US has been altered by some external pressures to change the historical-rendition in public-schools. Knotheads have taken the foreground, but not everywhere.

And we are expected to bend to their will? Become a knothead like them?

Not me. Not ever. They can all go-to-hell! And the sooner, the better ...

 

[The Baron]

Hitler could not have said it better ...

Ad Hominem, Reductio Ad Hitlerum, Ad Misericordiam. Reductio Ad Absurdum and simply unintelligent.

First day?

​

 

[The Baron]

Your lack of care about inequality say's it all...

That's likely why the Libertarian Party looks like this:
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Platform | Libertarian Party

As adopted by convention, May 2022, Sparks, Nevada. Download PDF

www.lp.org

View attachment 67346587​

Libertarians claim that:

• "We condemn bigotry as irrational and repugnant."​

end quote


Yet, the definition of the word "Bigotry" is:

• The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot; intolerance.
• The character or mode of thought of a bigot; obstinate and unreasonable attachment to a particular creed, opinion, practice, ritual, or party organization; excessive zeal or warmth in favor of a party, sect, or opinion; intolerance of the opinions of others.

Sadly your leftist ideas involve tearing people down in the specious and ignoble quest for "equality". I don't mind helping others up. But I've no intention of allowing myself to be torn down by an intellectually bankrupt leftist ideology whose sole and ultimate purpose is to allow progressives to enjoy a false sense of superiority and blasphemous "holiness".

Leftist are simply too lazy and too unintelligent to bother themselves with any understanding of how the world works. As such, they rely of false and slanderous accusations of "bigotry", "racism", "homophobia", "transphobia", "xenophobia" or any epithet-du-jour to promote their world-view as it is unable to be advanced in any intelligent and thoughtful manner. It also serves the necessary purpose of preventing Leftist from critically examining their ideas as they are unable to withstand even the mildest scrutiny.

Your post is simply a textbook example of this anti-intellectualism.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Here's the right's approach to building a better educational program: Remove the Education component.

Gov. DeSantis takes on how racial history is taught in Florida schools

Gov. Ron DeSantis is poised to declare victory on another front what critics call a culture war.

www.heraldtribune.com

In other words, fascism takes time and strategy. Like a heavy fridge, you have to rock it back and forth before it tips.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Sadly your leftist ideas involve tearing people down in the specious and ignoble quest for "equality". I don't mind helping others up. But I've not intention of allowing myself to be torn down by an intellectually bankrupt leftist ideology whose sole and ultimate purpose is to allow progressives to enjoy a false sense of superiority and blasphemous "holiness".

Leftist are simply too lazy and too unintelligent to bother themselves with any understanding of how the world works. As such, they rely of false and slanderous accusations of "bigotry", "racism", "homophobia", "transphobia", "xenophobia" or any epithet-du-jour to promote their world-view as it is unable to be advanced in any intelligent and thoughtful manner. It also serves the necessary purpose of preventing Leftist from critically examining their ideas as they are unable to withstand even the mildest scrutiny.

Your post is simply a textbook example of this anti-intellectualism.

Anti-intellectualism accusations from a libertarian. Wheeeee.

 

[The Baron]

Anti-intellectualism accusations from a libertarian. Wheeeee.

A critical comment regarding "anti-intellectualism" from one who embraces a failed ideology that is so evil as to be responsible for the murder of over 100+ million people in the last century alone. An ideology whose wide-spread suffering can be routinely witnessed on the evening news in places like Cuba, Venezuela and China?

And you think I'm "unintelligent"?

Another Leftist simply demonstrates how on-point my post no. 182 truly is.

 

[Dans La Lune]

A critical comment regarding "anti-intellectualism" from one who embraces a failed ideology that is so evil as to be responsible for the murder of over 100,000 million people in the last century alone. An ideology whose wide-spread suffering can be routinely witnessed on the evening news in places like Cuba, Venezuela and China?

Wow, a 100,000 million huh. Good grief. Anyways, while not as grand, capitalism kills tens of millions each year, and if we're not careful may wipe out the entire planet inside of ~50 years.

And you think I'm "unintelligent"?

I think libertarianism is at its core.

 

[The Baron]

Wow, a 100,000 million huh. Good grief. Anyways, while not as grand, capitalism kills tens of millions each year, and if we're not careful may wipe out the entire planet inside of ~50 years.

Not even remotely true and, predictably, brushes aside the murder of 100+ million people. Typical collectivist.

I think libertarianism is at its core.

Of course you do as the ideals of individualism, liberty, personal responsibility such as those enshrined in The Bill of Rights are anathema to collectivist.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Not even remotely true and, predictably, brushes aside the murder of 100+ million people. Typical collectivist.

Of course it's true.

Of course you do as the ideals of individualism, liberty, personal responsibility such as those enshrined in The Bill of Rights are anathema to collectivist.

Libertarianism doesn't work, hence why no nation in existence has ever -- or could ever -- adopt it as a governing philsophy.



Meanwhile, my form of Socialism is Democratic Socialism. Which is where the people, through a representative democratic, decides how to employ government for the betterment of the citizens.

 

[The Baron]

Of course it's true.

Empty denials are simply another form of un-intellectualism.

Libertarianism doesn't work, hence why no nation in existence has ever -- or could ever -- adopt it as a governing philsophy.

They are mostly adopted from the ideals of our founding so, yea, what possible evidence could there ever be for the success of America.

Meanwhile, my form of Socialism is...

...is a failed and evil ideology responsible for the deaths of 100+ million people is the last century along. As such, the breath-takingly stupid position of Socialist is, "Hell, let's give it another shot! What could go wrong since it's never worked?".

Such positions are not only genuinely obtuse but are purposefully intellectually dishonest.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Empty denials are simply another form of un-intellectualism.


They are mostly adopted from the ideals of our founding so, yea, what possible evidence could there ever be for the success of America.

...is a failed and evil ideology responsible for the deaths of 100+ million people is the last century along. As such, the breath-takingly stupid position of Socialist is, "Hell, let's give it another shot! What could go wrong since it's never worked?".

Such positions are not only genuinely obtuse but are purposefully intellectually dishonest.

Cutting off my post mid-sentence proves, once again, that libertarians cannot debate ideas.

 

[The Baron]

Cutting off my post mid-sentence proves, once again, that libertarians cannot debate ideas.

Libertarians can debate ideas.

Debating magnificently-failed, murderous ideologies with the intellectually-disenfranchised is a bit more tricky.

And, predictably, you're still ignoring the 100+ million murders committed in the last century alone by your ideology.

 

[RealityNow]

Sadly your leftist ideas involve tearing people down in the specious and ignoble quest for "equality". I don't mind helping others up. But I've no intention of allowing myself to be torn down by an intellectually bankrupt leftist ideology whose sole and ultimate purpose is to allow progressives to enjoy a false sense of superiority and blasphemous "holiness".

Leftist are simply too lazy and too unintelligent to bother themselves with any understanding of how the world works. As such, they rely of false and slanderous accusations of "bigotry", "racism", "homophobia", "transphobia", "xenophobia" or any epithet-du-jour to promote their world-view as it is unable to be advanced in any intelligent and thoughtful manner. It also serves the necessary purpose of preventing Leftist from critically examining their ideas as they are unable to withstand even the mildest scrutiny.

Your post is simply a textbook example of this anti-intellectualism.

No one cares what you allow for yourself or not... your conduct, mentality and choice of how you think... isn't anything that dictates to society how to live, think, conduct their lives, or how they choose to respect the system of Governance in this great nations of America. You've wrongly assumed that your personal ideology is something that society has to adhere to.. the only person who is bound into that concept you have is "you".

You can't tell anyone how the world works based on your want to dictate... There are billions of people who don't give a damn about you and your concept of how the world works.
You vastly over-rate yourself to think that you are a model of something that others should adopt... Geez!!!
You probably need to learn the meaning of the world "Bigotry" and then review yourself, and you might find that the usage is not slanderous, it may well be applicable to your want to think you can tell others how the world works.

I'll give you the definition again:

The definition of the word "Bigotry" is:

• The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot; intolerance.
• The character or mode of thought of a bigot; obstinate and unreasonable attachment to a particular creed, opinion, practice, ritual, or party organization; excessive zeal or warmth in favor of a party, sect, or opinion; intolerance of the opinions of others.

It might dawn on your at some point and may not... that you get a limit to what is "time in life"... you might serve yourself better to deal with yourself, and not think you can dictate anything to the world of billions of people, nor can you dictate anything to the system of governance of this nation, nor any other nation.

You have no position to determine what is and what is not intellectualism... to me or anyone else, and your aims of trying to do so, is again and example of "bigotry"...

You have a choice... "deal with what you can, and leave what you can't deal with alone". its that simple!!!! Because you can only control your life, if you make the effort to do so.

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"You sound like the kind of guy who would be trying to tell a woman what she can and cannot like and how to she can and cannot act and what she can and cannot do during sex."​

 

[Dans La Lune]

Libertarians can debate ideas.

When? Where? Have libertarians ever won a debate of ideas in the history of the universe? Point me to one of these victories.

Debating magnificently-failed, murderous ideologies with the intellectually-disenfranchised is a bit more tricky.

Murderous ideologies like providing universal healthcare, a social safety net, environmental protections, regulations and the foundation for modern civilized society. All demonstrable facts.

And, predictably, you're still ignoring the 100+ million murders committed in the last century alone by your ideology.

I'm not ignoring them. Similarly, I don't own them, nor does my ideology. For starters, you're conflating socialism and communism, and conflating all forms of government. Socialism in a dictatorship is a little different than socialism where the people control the government. If you're trying to say I support a dictatorship, well that's a pretty weak argument without and foundation in reality.

Anyways, the reason libertarian doesn't have track record is because it is 100% impossible to implement as a governing outside of an Atlas Shrugged fantasy novel. There are no libertarian governments and there never have been.

 

[RealityNow]

When? Where? Have libertarians ever won a debate of ideas in the history of the universe? Point me to one of these victories.




Murderous ideologies like providing universal healthcare, a social safety net, environmental protections, regulations and the foundation for modern civilized society. All demonstrable facts.



I'm not ignoring them. Similarly, I don't own them, nor does my ideology. For starters, you're conflating socialism and communism, and conflating all forms of government. Socialism in a dictatorship is a little different than socialism where the people control the government. If you're trying to say I support a dictatorship, well that's a pretty weak argument without and foundation in reality.

Anyways, the reason libertarian doesn't have track record is because it is 100% impossible to implement as a governing outside of an Atlas Shrugged fantasy novel. There are no libertarian governments and there never have been.

Libertarian is a 1970's construct... its an offshoot of Confederate Ideals... they claim to detest the expanse of government under Nixon, although Nixon was an asshole and bigoted, he did understand the necessity of how government was designed to be expansive. I did not care for his race ideology nor his right wing bigoted white nationalist mentality, nor his war mongering not only in adversarial acts in foreign lands, but his war mongering in the political arena in promoting right wing agenda as an attach machine upon the liberal principles of American Democracy.
Libertarians also did not like elements in the passage of the Civil Rights Act and the fact of the necessity of Affirmative Action drove them to amass themselves and try to be covert about their mentality against Affirmative Actions. While at the same time, they did nothing to promote equality in accessibility and opportunity, for all.. but focused on themselves as a predominantly white dominated party.
They embrace the anti tax mentality, and think they can abolish Income Tax and they don't like Social Assistance Programs, because they are white people who have means and economics that places them not to have need of the necessity. The minute they lose their money they will gladly accept and adopt a pursuit to get access to public assistance funds. You can't find a Libertarian who owns a business who has ever turned down government grants, or have not pursued government contracts and who seek out government tax credits. They will rip off a government contract as any other white dominated group and not give a damn about the national debt when they purposefully go over budget in their profit seeking aims. Their concept of Fiscal Conservative is the same bullshit that was derived from their Confederacy idealist roots. It's about nothing more than directing tax resources to what they want, while trying to deny its usage to what they don't like, and certainly their want to deny programming assistance to whom they don't like and don't want to have such accessibility to assistance.

They are as much money greed driven as any Right Wing Republican (Confederate who calls themselves Conservative) so their claim of Fiscal Conservatism is nothing more than the same bullshit as any other white group who talks that Fiscal Conservative spin. They will grab government money the minutes its put on the table and then get pissed off if they can't grab enough and others have access to utilize it.

Libertarians don't respect the values of doctrines within "American Representative Governance, which has a Majority Rule Principle.

They can't see that aspects of their ideology does not fit within a Governed Nation. and no nation on the planet is "Ungoverned" !!!

some points may be useful but the dogma they put forth in and upon many elements of governance and the system of democracy simply, does not grasp that "freedoms only come through responsibility" within a governed society.
Their wants regarding commerce, cannot over-ride the principles and values within what is "Regulatory Governance".. yet, they have aspiration to want to discard and disregard this vital part of what makes our system and society safe for all.

Freedom does not and has never meant... do anything, any way, any time, by any means, without regard for anyone or any system.... Freedom is about "responsibility" within a governed civic and civil society.

 

[The Baron]

When? Where? Have libertarians ever won a debate of ideas in the history of the universe? Point me to one of these victories.

This one simply leaps to mind.

It does beg the question when has socialism ever won a debate, worked, not cause suffering?

Murderous ideologies like providing universal healthcare,

Kinda like how we care for our veterans? That's a miserable failure. As is obamacare where people's premiums doubled and there benefits were cut in half.

Also, what a wonderful tool to control the populace.
a social safety net,

Like welfare that has spend over a trillion dollars since it's inception and we still have poor people while creating generations of welfare brood mares and a perpetual lower, dependent class.

Yea, that's compassion.

environmental protections,

Like the Paris Accords that does nothing to stop the left's global warming hysterics.

You do realize that all global warming predictions have been failures, right?

regulations and the foundation for modern civilized society. All demonstrable facts.

I've on doubt that you believe all this...all the more to be pitied.

I'm not ignoring them. Similarly, I don't own them, nor does my ideology. For starters, you're conflating socialism and communism, and conflating all forms of government. Socialism in a dictatorship is a little different than socialism where the people control the government. If you're trying to say I support a dictatorship, well that's a pretty weak argument without and foundation in reality.

Socialism, communism, facism, naziism, etc. are all forms of collectivism and all are abhorrent failures. Under collectivism the state is made god and individual rights must be taken away by force. Nothing must be be allowed to rebel against the new god and survive. The last century is simply overwhelmed by bloody examples of this fact.

Anyways, the reason libertarian doesn't have track record is because it is 100% impossible to implement as a governing outside of an Atlas Shrugged fantasy novel. There are no libertarian governments and there never have been.

Like America's founding?

 

[cpwill]

Like America's founding?

Hong Kong last century also comes to mind.