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How Did the Apostles Die?

In the sense you are speaking, in great quantities, no...the few who have are no longer members...
So a very small and diminishing number of members religion.
 
What the Hades good is it going to do for you? You've been presented with tons of information from multiple sources on the death and resurrection of Jesus and all you do is kick it all to the curb. You don't learn. People shouldn't waste their time with your antichrist agenda. You'll just deny it all anyway. That's what you do, deny, deny, deny. Take a break, Dr. No.

THIS is the problem. You and other believers have done little more than present propaganda with almost zero historical support. Yeah, I do kick some of your stories to the curb - simply because you are unable to provide any real documentation in regards to the supposed resurrection.

PROBLEMS
There is no evidence that the town of Arimathea existed
Joseph of Arimathea is said to be a Sanhedrin, a member of a group that unanimously voted for the execution of Jesus. Why would he put the corpse of a criminal whose execution he supported into his personal "rock-carved tomb"?
We have ZERO non-Christian confirmation for the execution of any of the Apostles.
Hundreds of dead people rose from their graves and there are ZERO mentions of this truly bizarre happening in any non-Christian texts.
Why were there so many different groups that claimed to be the TRUE Christians during the first couple of centuries in the Common Era?
 
Back at you. Like I just said a few moments ago, you've been presented with tons of information from multiple sources on the death and resurrection of Jesus and all you do is kick it all to the curb. You don't learn. People shouldn't waste their time with your antichrist agenda. You'll just deny it all anyway. That's what you do, deny, deny, deny. Take a break, Dr. No.

Your "tons of information" come from individuals who are either TRUE Believers or academics who must support the story or lose their teaching positions.
 
THIS is the problem. You and other believers have done little more than present propaganda with almost zero historical support. Yeah, I do kick some of your stories to the curb - simply because you are unable to provide any real documentation in regards to the supposed resurrection.

PROBLEMS
There is no evidence that the town of Arimathea existed
Joseph of Arimathea is said to be a Sanhedrin, a member of a group that unanimously voted for the execution of Jesus. Why would he put the corpse of a criminal whose execution he supported into his personal "rock-carved tomb"?
We have ZERO non-Christian confirmation for the execution of any of the Apostles.
Hundreds of dead people rose from their graves and there are ZERO mentions of this truly bizarre happening in any non-Christian texts.
Why were there so many different groups that claimed to be the TRUE Christians during the first couple of centuries in the Common Era?
Did Moses actually exist?
 
PROBLEMS
There is no evidence that the town of Arimathea existed
Joseph of Arimathea is said to be a Sanhedrin, a member of a group that unanimously voted for the execution of Jesus. Why would he put the corpse of a criminal whose execution he supported into his personal "rock-carved tomb"?
We have ZERO non-Christian confirmation for the execution of any of the Apostles.
Hundreds of dead people rose from their graves and there are ZERO mentions of this truly bizarre happening in any non-Christian texts.
Did Moses actually exist?
Why do you spend so much time pumping logical fallacies, such as Arguments from silence?

 
Joseph of Arimathea is said to be a Sanhedrin, a member of a group that unanimously voted for the execution of Jesus. Why would he put the corpse of a criminal whose execution he supported into his personal "rock-carved tomb"?
Because he didn't...

A wealthy man from the Judean city of Arimathea and a reputable member of the Jewish Sanhedrin. Although a good and righteous man who was waiting for God’s Kingdom, Joseph, because of his fear of unbelieving Jews, did not openly identify himself as a disciple of Jesus Christ. However, he did not vote in support of the Sanhedrin’s unjust action against Christ Jesus. Later, he courageously asked Pilate for Jesus’ body and, along with Nicodemus, prepared it for burial and then placed it in a new rock-cut tomb. This tomb was situated in a garden near the place of impalement and belonged to Joseph of Arimathea.—Mt 27:57-60; Mr 15:43-46; Lu 23:50-53; Joh 19:38-42.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002515#h=58:0-58:671
 
Your "tons of information" come from individuals who are either TRUE Believers or academics who must support the story or lose their teaching positions.
They weren't true believers until they saw the resurrected Jesus - a little snipit that you're obviously ignoring because it doesn't work well for you. In fact, it makes your presentation look quite dishonest.
 
Probably not. There is no evidence supporting the Exodus and parts of the story seem to be related to older stories from Mesopotamia
Yet he is claimed to be the writer of the old testament/Jewish bible?
 
Hundreds of dead people rose from their graves and there are ZERO mentions of this truly bizarre happening in any non-Christian texts.
That did not happen, either...

Does Matthew 27:52, 53 mean that at the time of Jesus’ death some persons in the grave were resurrected?

Many Bible commentators feel that this is what these verses mean. Yet scholars admit that the sense and proper translation of these verses is unusually difficult. Actually, there are reasons to believe that these verses mean that when Jesus died the accompanying earthquake broke open tombs near Jerusalem and thus exposed corpses to passersby.

Matthew 27:52, 53 says that “the tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.”—Common Bible.

But if a resurrection occurred when Jesus died, as this and other translations suggest, would the resurrected ones have waited until after Jesus’ own resurrection, on the third day after this, before leaving their tombs? Why would God resurrect such “saints” or “holy ones” at this time, since Jesus was to be “the firstborn from the dead”? (Col. 1:18; 1 Cor. 15:20) Also, it was during Christ’s future presence that anointed Christians or “holy ones” were to share in the first resurrection.—1 Thess. 3:13; 4:14-17; Rev. 20:5, 6.

Observe that, strictly speaking, the account does not say that the “bodies” came to life. It merely says that they were raised up or thrown out of the tombs by the earthquake. A similar thing happened in the town of Sonson in Colombia in 1962. El Tiempo (July 31, 1962) reported: “Two hundred corpses in the cemetery of this town were thrown out of their tombs by the violent earth tremor.” Persons passing by or through that cemetery saw the corpses, and, as a result, many of the people in Sonson had to go out and rebury their dead relatives.

Without wresting the Greek grammar, a translator can render Matthew 27:52, 53 in a way that suggests that a similar exposing of corpses resulted from the earthquake occurring at Jesus’ death. Thus the translation by Johannes Greber (1937) renders these verses: “Tombs were laid open, and many bodies of those buried there were tossed upright. In this posture they projected from the graves and were seen by many who passed by the place on their way back to the city.”—Compare the New World Translation.

Along with the rending of the temple curtain separating the Holy from the Most Holy, this violent earthquake, which exposed corpses that were soon seen by travelers who brought the news into Jerusalem, served as additional proof that Jesus was no mere criminal executed for wrongdoing. He was the Messiah and the one who would shortly be the firstborn from the dead destined for heavenly life.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1975767?q=earthquake+when+jesus+died&p=sen
 
Why do you spend so much time pumping logical fallacies, such as Arguments from silence?


I do agree with the minister in regards to the "argument from silence".
Argumentum ex silentio ("argument from silence") is a type of logical fallacy. An argument from silence attempts to demonstrate something as true in the absence of evidence, or more specifically, because of the lack of evidence. It is a type of argument from ignorance (by ignorance I simply mean "lack of knowledge", not "stupid" as is commonly understood).

Funny, in a rather sad way, how the Argumentum ex silentio may be used against the beliefs of evangelical Christians. Why? because there is next to ZERO evidence from non-Christian sources during the first four hundred years of the faith's development.
 
So tell us, Gordy, what's your perceived motive for all these people - the disciples, the Jesus deniers who suddenly changed into believers, the early church fathers who wrote about the traditional Gospel authors, etc., etc.? Were they all lying? Charlatans? Fools? What? What's their motives?
It can be any number of things. I don't presume to know peoples individual motives. Much of it is second hand accounts anyway.
 
Except for the Bible...seems to be good enough for many, me included...
Talk about setting the bar low and settling for very little.
 
Funny, in a rather sad way, how the Argumentum ex silentio may be used against the beliefs of evangelical Christians. Why? because there is next to ZERO evidence from non-Christian sources during the first four hundred years of the faith's development.

Your posts are getting more bizarre by the minute.
 
Yeah, some people have no appreciation for the truth...
Some people are more interested in actual facts rather than one's idea of "truth."
 
Except for the Bible...seems to be good enough for many, me included...

It shouldn’t be, but then again, you’re the kind of person who will engage in apologetics for murdering children because the Bible said god commanded it.
 
It shouldn’t be, but then again, you’re the kind of person who will engage in apologetics for murdering children because the Bible said god commanded it.
lol...you won't find me apologizing for anything Jehovah does...
 
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