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How did 9/11 change you, your life, your perspective

Smeagol

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For me my eyes were opened. Until then I was under the understanding that everybody loved America. If they couldn't get here, they'd do everything they could to make their country like America and look to us solve the world's problems. Yes, there were only 19 terrorists who carried out the 9/11 attacks but over 1 million are of the mind set they if given the right set of circumstances they would be willing to personally carry out a suicide attack themselves where if organized would represent the largest standing army on earth. Exponentially more are not willing carry out a suicide attack but cheer on those who are, honors them as heroic martyrs for the cause offer their support. What a wake up call.

I also learned there is a big connection between having to deal with them and oil. Our entanglement in their region of the world actually creates their hatred of us due their ancient segregationist mindset especially under conditions where they see themselves as not having supremacy over us in the relationship. Oil has not only led to our inadvertent financial support of efforts to kill us but the drill our own oil idea not only will never replace their oil, only add to it based on how oil is sold on the global market and is actually the best guarantee they could get from us that they'll be able to generate trillions of dollars for decades to come.

I have become an activist for getting off of oil to the greatest degree possible and learned there are other reasons than national security that it makes the best sense for us including less expensive vehicles (once the same mass production benefits oil technology cars enjoy and initial R&D is recouped,) longer lasting vehicles, .30 cents on the dollar fuel, cars that require far less maintenance and cars that require fewer repairs. However, defunding anti-American Middle Eastern propaganda, anti-American terrorism, dictatorships and nuclear proliferation are the big reasons.
 
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For me my eyes were opened. Until then I was under the understanding that everybody loved America. If they couldn't get here, they'd do everything they could to make their country like America and look to us solve the world's problems. Yes, there were only 19 terrorists who carried out the 9/11 attacks but over 1 million are of the mind set they if given the right set of circumstances they would be willing to personally carry out a suicide attack themselves where if organized would represent the largest standing army on earth. Exponentially more are not willing carry out a suicide attack but cheer on those who are, honors them as heroic martyrs for the cause offer their support. What a wake up call.

I also learned there is big connection between having to deal with them and oil. Our entanglement in their region of the world actually creates their hatred of us due their ancient segregationist mindset especially under conditions where they see themselves as not having supremacy over us in the relationship. Oil has not only led to our inadvertent financial support of efforts to kill us but the drill our own oil idea not only will never replace their oil, only add to it based on how oil is sold on the global market and is actually the best guarantee they could get from us that they'll be able to generate trillions of dollars for decades to come. I have become an activist for getting off of oil to the greatest degree possible and learned there are other reasons than national security that it makes the best sense for us including less expensive vehicles (once the same mass production benefits and initial R&D is recouped,) longer lasting vehicles, cars that require far less maintenance and cars that require fewer repairs. However, defunding anti-American Middle Eastern propaganda, anti-American terrorism, dictatorships and nuclear proliferation are the big reasons.

Bin Laden was the educated son of an oil wealthy Saudi family....friends of the Bushes. He resented the Americans being in the middle east for as long as he could remember. His Goal? To bankrupt America. I believe he used the religious extremists to carry out his plan. I've never felt that he had any particular interest in religion himself. The fact that he picked the financial capitol of the world to strike was not the culmination of his plan but the beginning.

I've never had more sympathy for anyone in my life than what I felt for the families who survived the innocent victims of 9/11. I hope the world never forgets what happened that day and good riddance to Osama Bin Laden. Sometimes I wish I believed in hell because if there was one that wicked son-of-a-bitch would surely burn there.
 
It took a couple of years but, 9-11 eventually brought me to sites like these and to a renewed interest in who runs our country. Emotionally, it tore me a new one.

On a side note: If it were not for the oil in those countries, they would still be a bunch of third world Bedouins.
What will happen if all that wealth were to disappear? Would they hate us more or less?
 
Made me slightly more scared of flying.
 
For me my eyes were opened. Until then I was under the understanding that everybody loved America. If they couldn't get here, they'd do everything they could to make their country like America and look to us solve the world's problems. Yes, there were only 19 terrorists who carried out the 9/11 attacks but over 1 million are of the mind set they if given the right set of circumstances they would be willing to personally carry out a suicide attack themselves where if organized would represent the largest standing army on earth. Exponentially more are not willing carry out a suicide attack but cheer on those who are, honors them as heroic martyrs for the cause offer their support. What a wake up call.

I also learned there is a big connection between having to deal with them and oil. Our entanglement in their region of the world actually creates their hatred of us due their ancient segregationist mindset especially under conditions where they see themselves as not having supremacy over us in the relationship. Oil has not only led to our inadvertent financial support of efforts to kill us but the drill our own oil idea not only will never replace their oil, only add to it based on how oil is sold on the global market and is actually the best guarantee they could get from us that they'll be able to generate trillions of dollars for decades to come.

I have become an activist for getting off of oil to the greatest degree possible and learned there are other reasons than national security that it makes the best sense for us including less expensive vehicles (once the same mass production benefits oil technology cars enjoy and initial R&D is recouped,) longer lasting vehicles, .30 cents on the dollar fuel, cars that require far less maintenance and cars that require fewer repairs. However, defunding anti-American Middle Eastern propaganda, anti-American terrorism, dictatorships and nuclear proliferation are the big reasons.

Trying to isolate (refuse to trade with?) a billion people (or more) for the crimes (sins?) of a few among them is as foolish as saying that we should cease trade with Chicago since they have a urban gang problem that they fail to control. National security, or even your personal household security, is not obtained by isolation and complete self suffiency, but by identifying and eliminating the direct threat to it.
 
Only sadness from the loss of life.

I will not live in fear, or the terrorists have won. 9-11 didn't 'change' my life.

It highlighted the fact that we as a nation are just as vulnerable as any other. Mistakes will be made, some of them very costly in the way of human life. Some of them horrifying and bloody, and I will grieve the loss of human life.

We, as a Nation, should not be involved in foreign wars for people and countries who despise and make no bones about it. Offer temporary asylum to those who wish protection, and react to heinous acts against humans. Protect our borders as best we can with minimal intrusion into citizens lives.
 
For me my eyes were opened. Until then I was under the understanding that everybody loved America. If they couldn't get here, they'd do everything they could to make their country like America and look to us solve the world's problems. Yes, there were only 19 terrorists who carried out the 9/11 attacks but over 1 million are of the mind set they if given the right set of circumstances they would be willing to personally carry out a suicide attack themselves where if organized would represent the largest standing army on earth. Exponentially more are not willing carry out a suicide attack but cheer on those who are, honors them as heroic martyrs for the cause offer their support. What a wake up call.

I also learned there is a big connection between having to deal with them and oil. Our entanglement in their region of the world actually creates their hatred of us due their ancient segregationist mindset especially under conditions where they see themselves as not having supremacy over us in the relationship. Oil has not only led to our inadvertent financial support of efforts to kill us but the drill our own oil idea not only will never replace their oil, only add to it based on how oil is sold on the global market and is actually the best guarantee they could get from us that they'll be able to generate trillions of dollars for decades to come.

I have become an activist for getting off of oil to the greatest degree possible and learned there are other reasons than national security that it makes the best sense for us including less expensive vehicles (once the same mass production benefits oil technology cars enjoy and initial R&D is recouped,) longer lasting vehicles, .30 cents on the dollar fuel, cars that require far less maintenance and cars that require fewer repairs. However, defunding anti-American Middle Eastern propaganda, anti-American terrorism, dictatorships and nuclear proliferation are the big reasons.

Only way it changed my life was that I'd sooner stick a needle in my eye than fly anywhere.
 
I also learned there is a big connection between having to deal with them and oil. Our entanglement in their region of the world actually creates their hatred of us

Sure, blame the US for crazy people.

The real source of the hatred is the propaganda employed by their so-called governments.
 
I also learned there is a big connection between having to deal with them and oil. Our entanglement in their region of the world actually creates their hatred of us due their ancient segregationist mindset especially under conditions where they see themselves as not having supremacy over us in the relationship. Oil has not only led to our inadvertent financial support of efforts to kill us but the drill our own oil idea not only will never replace their oil, only add to it based on how oil is sold on the global market and is actually the best guarantee they could get from us that they'll be able to generate trillions of dollars for decades to come.

I have become an activist for getting off of oil to the greatest degree possible and learned there are other reasons than national security that it makes the best sense for us including less expensive vehicles (once the same mass production benefits oil technology cars enjoy and initial R&D is recouped,) longer lasting vehicles, .30 cents on the dollar fuel, cars that require far less maintenance and cars that require fewer repairs. However, defunding anti-American Middle Eastern propaganda, anti-American terrorism, dictatorships and nuclear proliferation are the big reasons.
Oil?
WE made them trillionairs buy finding and extracting the oil, when the original search was for water.
Lets see, we make them rich beyond belief. And they hate our guts.
Sounds fair.
How did it change me? Not one bit. I already knew what the score was between us and them.
 
Oil?
WE made them trillionairs buy finding and extracting the oil, when the original search was for water.
Lets see, we make them rich beyond belief. And they hate our guts.
Sounds fair.
How did it change me? Not one bit. I already knew what the score was between us and them.

You don't get it. The ones we deal with are the princes and their families. Most of them come to the Cleveland Clinic and bring their entire families for a diagnostic check up once a year. The poor people who never see a penny of the wealth and only see Americans as being responsible are the ones who hate our guts.....about 90-95% of their population.

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You don't get it. The ones we deal with are the princes and their families. Most of them come to the Cleveland Clinic and bring their entire families for a diagnostic check up once a year. The poor people who never see a penny of the wealth and only see Americans as being responsible are the ones who hate our guts.....about 90-95% of their population.

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And your point?
Osama was a shirt tail relative of the royal family.
 
9-11 made me want to go after our own energy and quit buying Arab oil. IMO we should not only drill oil but mine coal and transition to NG. We are the Saudi Arabia of NG and coal and we have huge untapped oil reserves. We really could be energy independent if we had the balls to do so.
 
Trying to isolate (refuse to trade with?) a billion people (or more) for the crimes (sins?) of a few among them is as foolish as saying that we should cease trade with Chicago since they have a urban gang problem that they fail to control. National security, or even your personal household security, is not obtained by isolation and complete self suffiency, but by identifying and eliminating the direct threat to it.

But its not just the sins of a few. The anti-Americanism is pervasive throughout the region. The few are the people who welcome our friendship. As far as your Chicago comparison goes, there's a difference in my opinion with criminal activity that is pretty much confined to Chicago and having a prevailing culture in Chicago where hating the people of South Bend is considered a patriotic duty and 10% of Chicago 2.7 million people or over a quarter of a million people hate the people of South Bend so much they support and under the right circumstances would be willing themselves to travel to South Bend to carry out suicide bombings. Meanwhile the overwhelming majority of Chicagoans consider them heroes. That's what we're up against in the Middle east minus thankfully the lack of proximity to the region and a more equal population. If South Bend was faced with that scenario they would most certainly isolate itself from Chicago until such time that they moderated their culture. They certainly wouldn't continue to allow circumstances to exist where Chicago's ganglords controlled the South Bend economy if they could do anything about it. If anything, in the interest of their own security if possible would foster economic conditions whereby the flow of money into Chicago would be curtailed from all sources, not just their own.
 
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And your point?
Osama was a shirt tail relative of the royal family.

The Saudi Royals inadvertently indoctrinated their population to embrace racialism through their school system that our gasoline purchases paid for. They THOUGHT they were conditioning them to be less materialistic for selfish reasons. What they also got was radial Islam where infidels and crusaders need to stay out of their holy land under risk of Jihad.
 
But its not just the sins of a few. The anti-Americanism is pervasive throughout the region. The few are the people who welcome our friendship. As far as your Chicago comparison goes, there's a difference in my opinion with criminal activity that is pretty much confined to Chicago and having a prevailing culture in Chicago where hating the people of South Bend is considered a patriotic duty and 10% of Chicago 2.7 million people or over a quarter of a million people hate the people of South Bend so much they support and under the right circumstances would be willing themselves to travel to South Bend to carry out suicide bombings. Meanwhile the overwhelming majority of Chicagoans consider them heroes. That's what we're up against in the Middle east minus thankfully the lack of proximity to the region and a more equal population. If South Bend was faced with that scenario they would most certainly isolate itself from Chicago until such time that they moderated their culture. They certainly wouldn't continue to allow circumstances to exist where Chicago's ganglords controlled the South Bend economy if they could do anything about it. If anything, in the interest of their own security if possible would foster economic conditions whereby the flow of money into Chicago would be curtailed from all sources.

I will guarantee that far more U.S. casualties result from U.S. street gang activity than from Muslim terrorists.
 
I will guarantee that far more U.S. casualties result from U.S. street gang activity than from Muslim terrorists.


I agree. If you've followed my postings, I'm passionate about exposing its root causes and dealing with that problem at the source too.
 
I agree. If you've followed my postings, I'm passionate about exposing its root causes and dealing with that problem at the source too.

A major "root cause" is the no snitching culture so the bulk of the gang crime is committed in the "free crime" zones.
 
9-11 made me want to go after our own energy and quit buying Arab oil. IMO we should not only drill oil but mine coal and transition to NG. We are the Saudi Arabia of NG and coal and we have huge untapped oil reserves. We really could be energy independent if we had the balls to do so.

It's a game they play...both parties all the time. We have a military which consumes more oil than at least twenty five other countries. Do you seriously think they will ever quit using oil from the middle east until it's all gone? Our politicians have a plan. Use all of theirs then be the last country on earth to run out of oil. We even pump some imported oil into the evacuated salt mines in the south west. They call it a strategic reserve but you can bet your ass they have never told the truth about how much of it there is.
 
I also am troubled over the level of government monitoring of the private lives of Americans since 9/11. You can't even go on a trip somewhere without submitting to a nude body inspection.
 
It's a game they play...both parties all the time. We have a military which consumes more oil than at least twenty five other countries. Do you seriously think they will ever quit using oil from the middle east until it's all gone? Our politicians have a plan. Use all of theirs then be the last country on earth to run out of oil. We even pump some imported oil into the evacuated salt mines in the south west. They call it a strategic reserve but you can bet your ass they have never told the truth about how much of it there is.

I think we can dramatically reduce our use of Arab oil, DRAMATICALLY!
 
it changed my political views significantly. at the time, i was a libertarian-leaning Republican. while i was never a hawk, i didn't actively oppose military action in many cases, especially right after 9/11 when i was pissed off.

after 9/11, they quickly rushed through the "patriot" act, which was a regurgitated and enhanced package that Janet Reno had promoted under Clinton. when day it passed, i stopped supporting Bush and began self identifying as a libertarian. as i watched the war drag on and on without being paid for, i started looking at the root causes of the attack. you have an entire region of the world ruled by dictators and with insane income inequality. access to sex is limited by culture, and no one can drink or do anything to blow off steam except through religion. in other words, it's volatile.

now, the obvious target of that rage should be the tinpot dictators and the oppressive culture. however, the US has been HEAVILY involved in the region for as long as we have been buying oil. we prop up regimes, we put regimes in place, and our culture is foreign and offensive. toss in this : some young men absolutely believe that if they manage to die attacking us, they will get laid for eternity. it's fairly easy to point at us as the root cause of misery. imagine that you live in that pressure cooker and Saudi Arabia keeps messing around in the Americas, puts in a puppet regime in Canada, and keeps attacking Mexico from bases in the US. then you start to see what's really going on.

so, i started to ask myself : why are we doing it again? it's the same thing over and over again. placing new regimes in Afghanistan and Iraq in order to prevent another 9/11 is like trying to put a fire out with gasoline. let me be clear : i'm not saying that 9/11 is the fault of the American people. it's the fault of misplaced rage by idiot zealots and those who brainwash them. but what i am saying is that interventionism continues the cycle. a real way to prevent another attack is to stop being so dependent on oil so that we don't have to be so heavily and regularly involved in the region.

so in this convoluted way, i became an independent non-interventionist hippie peacenik. 9/11 was an important part of this transition.
 
I think we can dramatically reduce our use of Arab oil, DRAMATICALLY!

Do you really think the Pentagon wants to chance letting the military force we have which is bigger than the next thirteen most powerful countries combined run out of fuel? Surely you get it......I don't see how anybody could fail to get it. If we ever let our military depend on oil imports from 10,000 miles away we will totally lose all credibility in the world....not to mention the obvious consequences.

BURN THEIRS.....SAVE OURS! They say there's nothing new under the sun.
 
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