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How can Trump say he's doing his best to fight Covid-19?

People at his rallies are exercising their free will. You're not there so what is your concern?
Given your disdain for Trump you probably would never come into contact with someone who attended a Trump rally.
I'm not there, but the cameras are.

There is no inherent free-will right to endanger other people. If you disagree, how about I drink a half bottle of Jack Daniels and drive around your neighborhood just when your kids get out of school? I'm just exercising my free will. Why be concerned?
 
Okay, maybe I should have added "and those of an authoritarian bent?"

Terrible response. People who are concerned about virus spreading shouldn't be labeled evil, because they care about their loved ones and friends.


So are a million other disease vectors we live with on a daily basis.

As Trump himself said, covid is 5 times worse than the flu and airborne. You cannot logical claim it's just another disease. So again, I don't agree/see your logical base. Trump has said it is deadly for both the young and the old.

Clearly you have not been following my posts on the subject of "cases." Let me reiterate. CASES does not equal either serious effects or deaths. The vast majority of CASES result in little or no symptoms for most people.

People are still dying by the thousands by the virus. It still takes weeks to get their test results back. There's still no vaccine. Until the war is over, then we can't go back to normal.

A "freedom is not a freedom" if it is not exercisable. That's what makes it a FREEDOM.

He is holding rallies without following CDC or state guidelines. That's not exercising freedom, that is taking away people's freedoms.

Authoritarians don't believe in freedom, and they make your very argument the basis for seeking all sorts of restrictions.

I would really appreciate if you refrain from demagoguery language here. I am not making assumptions about you, but you're making assumptions about me. Look, I am not saying Trump cannot hold rallies. But no face mask requirements, no spacing requirements. That's my concern.

Yes, the people are voluntary, but as noted before, they can carry the virus and pass it on toward others.

All what I am arguing here is why doesn't Trump hold his rallies and follow safety precautions? Trump claims he wants to do everything to stop the virus, but holding rallies that create virus carriers doesn't seem logical.

I get that it is hard to defend Trump, but you seem to be in a position where you have to defend why can't hold rallies and follow the rules. Look, I would say the same thing about the BLM protests violating CDC guidelines as well.
 
Okay, maybe I should have added "and those of an authoritarian bent?"



So are a million other disease vectors we live with on a daily basis. That tens of thousands die of every year without raising an eyebrow.

However, as with those we pretty much know who is at risk and so who should be taking personal precautions. We are getting pretty clear as to the situation with Covid-19 too.



Clearly you have not been following my posts on the subject of "cases." Let me reiterate. CASES does not equal either serious effects or deaths. The vast majority of CASES result in little or no symptoms for most people.



That is an assertion. But even if true, you already have my position on that in the post you responded to.



A "freedom is not a freedom" if it is not exercisable. That's what makes it a FREEDOM.

Authoritarians don't believe in freedom, and they make your very argument the basis for seeking all sorts of restrictions.



Promoting the virus? LOL. Is he going around urging people to cough and sneeze on others. Has he advocated rallies in retirement homes?

People are attending these rallies VOLUNTARILY.



THAT is YOUR opinion. It is not a fact. :coffeepap:
And your opinions are indefensible. Donald Trump is guilty of neglect of this virus. His own words prove that.
 
Here's the problems:

I am not a "lefty".

Covid-19 is still a threat to public health.

The rally in Oklahoma took place when cases of Covid-19 were on the rise, and never took any real safety precautions.

For the Nevada rally, he defied both the state and CDC guidelines.

A freedom is not a freedom, if it impacts public health. This is a virus which can be passed on other people, even if the carrier is not experiencing covid symptoms.

Trump cannot logically claim is cares about public health and doing everything possible, when he's promoting the spread of the virus.

My question is not about YOUR fears of the virus, it's about how Trump is putting people's lives in danger.

In Maine, 65 people attended a wedding in August. Someone had Covid. Attendees came from around the state, which is typical of weddings. 176 cases have spread across the state from that one carrier. 5 have died, four at a nursing home where it caused an outbreak (an attendee works there), and there was an 80 person outbreak at the York County jail from a wedding attendee who made a visit there. There have been scores more cases around the state.

That's just one example of how this bug gets around. People who don't take precautions in these times are walking time bombs, and it's not fair to everyone else.
 
His fighting for his political life and he is running purely on instinct.
Anti-Trumpers like you may think he is being hypocritical and incompetent.
But if he wins (and that is a distinct possibility) what will it matter if people believe what you wrote.
We don't know what is going to happen. You're not going to vote for him anyway, so what if, in your opinion, he is being hypocritical and not as competent (whatever that means) as you would like him to be?

I voted for Trump in 2016. I have said multiple times here I am going to make my final decision after the debates. Calling me anti-Trump seems illogical. When I evaluate the two candidates, I am factoring into Trump's response to the virus. My job at work got eliminated because of covid19. Seeing as how whenever I pose a thought-experiment with a critical eye for Trump, Trumpsters immediately jump on the "You're evil" train. I am posing a thought-provoking question, and you guys predictably turn into flame-throwers.

Here's my premise:

Trump said he's doing everything possible to stop the virus.
Yet, he is holding rallies WITHOUT following CDC guidelines.

Those two thoughts appear to be radically different from one another. If you can point out how they are the same, I really want to know.
 
So those at greatest risk, should be protected. No argument from me.

Meanwhile those of us who are not? IMO we should be left the **** alone, to be free to go about our business without having authoritarian restrictions placed on us by fearmongering.

So if those people want to go to a rally? Or like the students of NYU, want to party in Washington Square Park? Hell...if anyone wants to go to the beach, walk the streets, go clubbing...whatever? They should be allowed to do so.

Those of your who DO fear? Take all the precautions you wish. Buy one of those portable bubbles they use for people who have no immune systems if you want. YOU are in control of YOUR life.

Meanwhile I defend individual freedom. I don't agree that other's have a right to dictate how I live.

There's nothing quite like an infectious disease to expose the intellectual vacuity of libertarianism.
 
And your opinions are indefensible. Donald Trump is guilty of neglect of this virus. His own words prove that.

Doctor warns Trump's Nevada rally is 'negligent homicide': 'People will die' | TheHill

Jonathan Reiner, a professor of medicine and surgery at George Washington University and medical analyst for CNN, said on Sunday that President Trump's indoor rally in Nevada is "negligent homicide."

"What else could you call an act that because of its negligence results in the death of others?" he said. "If you have a mass gathering now in the United States in a place like Nevada or just about any other place with hundreds of thousands of people, people will get infected and some of those people will die."


It was telling when a reporter asked Trump about the safety of his rally and he said, [not a direct quote] 'Well, I'm up here and everyone else is down there. I won't catch anything.' In other words, he's only interested in his safety and not the safety of the attendees. He really doesn't give a damn about anyone else.
 
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So those at greatest risk, should be protected. No argument from me.

Meanwhile those of us who are not? IMO we should be left the **** alone, to be free to go about our business without having authoritarian restrictions placed on us by fearmongering.

So if those people want to go to a rally? Or like the students of NYU, want to party in Washington Square Park? Hell...if anyone wants to go to the beach, walk the streets, go clubbing...whatever? They should be allowed to do so.

Those of your who DO fear? Take all the precautions you wish. Buy one of those portable bubbles they use for people who have no immune systems if you want. YOU are in control of YOUR life.

Meanwhile I defend individual freedom. I don't agree that other's have a right to dictate how I live.

So, according to you Typhoid Mary shouldn't have been forced to quarantine and should have been allowed to go about her business and infect the general population at will, because she denied being ill?
 
This to me is an election issue. Trump has said he's doing everything in his power to stop the spread of Covid-19, but what he's done over the past three months, shows counter.

Case in points:

1. He held an indoor Oklahoma rally without any guidance for social distancing or mask wearing. Herman Cain contracted Covid-19 after attending the rally.
2. His South Dakota rally had no mandates for masks or social distancing.
3. During his convention speech, nobody in the audience was social distancing or wearing a mask.
4. He defied both the Nevada orders and CDC guidelines, when he had an indoor rally with no mask or social distancing.

Please defend Trump here Trump supporters. I really don't get it. Why does Trump claim he wants to protect Americans, but hold rallies and show lack of interest to basic health guidelines?

Help me out here. If Trump cared about public health, we wouldn't be seeing him having a reckless regard to public safety? As a registered Republican, this is one of my many reserves against Trump. I deserve an intelligent response. And no, I don't want to hear what-about-isms.

Just because none of these Trumpkins are destroyed & dying in the numbers we had hoped for do not lose heart .
By publicly killing them with great brutality ,even in smaller numbers, we can create even greater estrangement & alienation between them and Orange Man .
BLM activists celebrated as Trump supporter killed: Devine
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This to me is an election issue. Trump has said he's doing everything in his power to stop the spread of Covid-19, but what he's done over the past three months, shows counter.

Case in points:

1. He held an indoor Oklahoma rally without any guidance for social distancing or mask wearing. Herman Cain contracted Covid-19 after attending the rally.
2. His South Dakota rally had no mandates for masks or social distancing.
3. During his convention speech, nobody in the audience was social distancing or wearing a mask.
4. He defied both the Nevada orders and CDC guidelines, when he had an indoor rally with no mask or social distancing.

Please defend Trump here Trump supporters. I really don't get it. Why does Trump claim he wants to protect Americans, but hold rallies and show lack of interest to basic health guidelines?

Help me out here. If Trump cared about public health, we wouldn't be seeing him having a reckless regard to public safety? As a registered Republican, this is one of my many reserves against Trump. I deserve an intelligent response. And no, I don't want to hear what-about-isms.

Are you going to start a similar thread condemning the mayors and governors who do nothing to stops riots and looting?

Portland Rioters Surround Car and Driver Shoots His Way Out


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I guess the best answer I have is the one I've been stating for quite some time. I am not afraid of this "threat."
Well, it does take a bit more than Trump ass kissing to understand some things.

More and more people are also learning that they are likely not at much risk.
Tell that to the almost 200k people who dies and countless others who have been permanently damaged by this virus.

Meanwhile I defend individual freedom.
You have no ****ing clue what is freedom.

I don't agree that other's have a right to dictate how I live.
Do not delude yourself, nobody gives a **** how you live as long as your actions governed by stupidity and ignorance do not affect others.

So when it comes to Trump and his rallies? I have no problem with them...
Of course you do not, after all you are a devoted Trump ass kisser.
 
Probably because he's an incompetent boob, and the only thing he's good at is branding his name and Reality-TV drama. And as such, this colossal **** up of a pandemic response really is the best he is capable of.

And cutting red tape an setting the stage for economic recovery and helping the states that request it and brokering Middle East Peace Deals and on and on and on...

How ignorantly blind do you need to be?
 
well, he's a massive liar.
 
I would like to hear from Trumpsters here. You're right. Most of us here see this as wildly hypocritical and grossly incompetency.

Trump was ahead of the Democrat-Socialists in actually DOING something about the Virus.

We know who and how the virus strikes. 90% of the fatalities occur in the age demographic above 60. The fatalities that occur absent any underlying condition are about 5% of that total.

5% of 10% is half of one percent. The percent of Americans that actually die from this is 0.06%.

What you are hysterical about is about 0.000006% of a chance to die from this rally.

I think the folks who put their lives on this line are pretty safe.

I haven't done the math on this, but It seems likely that there is a greater chance of having a traffic accident than dying from Covid in the age groups younger than 60 absent any underlying condition(s).
 
So are a million other disease vectors we live with on a daily basis.
And which ones that can be addressed are being ignored?

That tens of thousands die of every year without raising an eyebrow.
And how many of those happen without any effort to be avoided?

Clearly you have not been following my posts on the subject of "cases." Let me reiterate. CASES does not equal either serious effects or deaths. The vast majority of CASES result in little or no symptoms for most people.
Yet even with the most elementary reasoning skills one can deduct that with "more" cases the potential of more serious cases also increases. Clearly that simple facts is way over your head.

Is he going around urging people to cough and sneeze on others. Has he advocated rallies in retirement homes?
No, he is denying reality and promoting irresponsible actions and the low intellect imbeciles that follow him cheer his stupidity.
 
They only have the same propaganda narrative they've been trying to trick people with since this started. Blah blah blah, Democrat hoax, blah blah blah, it's not that bad, blah blah blah it's going away.

Going through life blinded by ignorance must be difficult for you.
 
Historians may write that he was re-elected despite all of the people like you who think he is incompetent and didn't handle the pandemic correctly.
Which would only prove that there are many many low intellect imbeciles that lack not only a basic understanding of reality but also the slightest modicum of decency and integrity.

That is a distinct possibility and your criticisms of Trump will be soon forgotten.
Actually, documented facts are not forgotten.
 
People at his rallies are exercising their free will. You're not there so what is your concern?
This is the typical low intellect, primitive thinking that Trumpers have. Those same morons next day interact with others and do spread the virus.

Given your disdain for Trump you probably would never come into contact with someone who attended a Trump rally.
Why, they have their idiocy tattooed to their foreheads?
 
Here's the problems:

I am not a "lefty".

Covid-19 is still a threat to public health.

The rally in Oklahoma took place when cases of Covid-19 were on the rise, and never took any real safety precautions.

For the Nevada rally, he defied both the state and CDC guidelines.

A freedom is not a freedom, if it impacts public health. This is a virus which can be passed on other people, even if the carrier is not experiencing covid symptoms.

Trump cannot logically claim is cares about public health and doing everything possible, when he's promoting the spread of the virus.

My question is not about YOUR fears of the virus, it's about how Trump is putting people's lives in danger.

Have you considered actually looking at the outcomes from the rally?

Oklahoma deaths registered yesterday due to Covid were 0. Deaths in Oklahoma from 9-3-2020 due to Covid is 0.

Your hysteria seems sincere, but it is not founded in actual, real world facts.

COVID-19 | Oklahoma State Department of Health |
 
Candidates win primaries because of their stance on political issues as well as their personalities.
I like Trump because I know he is going to get the country through this pandemic and revive the economy.
Says a lot about you.
 
Just because none of these Trumpkins are destroyed & dying in the numbers we had hoped for do not lose heart .
By publicly killing them with great brutality ,even in smaller numbers, we can create even greater estrangement & alienation between them and Orange Man .
BLM activists celebrated as Trump supporter killed: Devine
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And we have this, so called, president telling the world that it's ok for the police to kill suspects out of "retribution."

Trump endorses extrajudicial executions: Killing of antifa suspect was “retribution.”
 
Trump was ahead of the Democrat-Socialists in actually DOING something about the Virus.

We know who and how the virus strikes. 90% of the fatalities occur in the age demographic above 60. The fatalities that occur absent any underlying condition are about 5% of that total.

5% of 10% is half of one percent. The percent of Americans that actually die from this is 0.06%.

What you are hysterical about is about 0.000006% of a chance to die from this rally.

I think the folks who put their lives on this line are pretty safe.

I haven't done the math on this, but It seems likely that there is a greater chance of having a traffic accident than dying from Covid in the age groups younger than 60 absent any underlying condition(s).

Oh boy, lots to unpack here.

Trump is the President of the United States. The Dems do not control the executive office. If he truly cares about stopping the virus, he would hold his rallies following CDC guidelines and respecting state laws. Bob Woodward's book has brought into the fold this issue.

The socialist-wing of the Democrat Party did quite poorly in the primaries. Biden ran on a fairly center-left platform and won over 50% of the popular vote and 46 out of the 57 primary contests. Biden's events have been online and taking place where social distancing and mask wearing is mandatory. I personally don't agree with Biden on most issues, but at least, we see him following the rules and taking the virus seriously.

As for your "stats", they are extremely misleading and ignorant. People generally do not die from one thing. It's generally a combination of multiple factors. The issue here is that Covid19 can increase your chances of death. Most people, especially over the age of 50, are not in perfect health. As you get older, the more vulnerable you're to illnesses. Covid19 can literally push people over the edge. It's not young people are attending Trump's rallies. It's older Americans. The exact group of people who would be the most vulnerable to Covid19.

You bring up traffic accidents, but your example only works against you. We have traffic laws. We have speed limits. We have safety belt laws. We have traffic lights. Trump essentially telling people it's okay to disobey traffic stops and not wear your seat belt. Your odds of getting into an accident go up considerably if you disobey traffic laws. That's precisely what Trump appears to be doing, unless I get a rational counterpoint.
 
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