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How can Trump say he's doing his best to fight Covid-19?

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This to me is an election issue. Trump has said he's doing everything in his power to stop the spread of Covid-19, but what he's done over the past three months, shows counter.

Case in points:

1. He held an indoor Oklahoma rally without any guidance for social distancing or mask wearing. Herman Cain contracted Covid-19 after attending the rally.
2. His South Dakota rally had no mandates for masks or social distancing.
3. During his convention speech, nobody in the audience was social distancing or wearing a mask.
4. He defied both the Nevada orders and CDC guidelines, when he had an indoor rally with no mask or social distancing.

Please defend Trump here Trump supporters. I really don't get it. Why does Trump claim he wants to protect Americans, but hold rallies and show lack of interest to basic health guidelines?

Help me out here. If Trump cared about public health, we wouldn't be seeing him having a reckless regard to public safety? As a registered Republican, this is one of my many reserves against Trump. I deserve an intelligent response. And no, I don't want to hear what-about-isms.
 

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Probably because he's an incompetent boob, and the only thing he's good at is branding his name and Reality-TV drama. And as such, this colossal **** up of a pandemic response really is the best he is capable of.
 

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Probably because he's an incompetent boob, and the only thing he's good at is branding his name and Reality-TV drama. And as such, this colossal **** up of a pandemic response really is the best he is capable of.

I would like to hear from Trumpsters here. You're right. Most of us here see this as wildly hypocritical and grossly incompetency.
 

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I would like to hear from Trumpsters here. You're right. Most of us here see this as wildly hypocritical and grossly incompetency.

They only have the same propaganda narrative they've been trying to trick people with since this started. Blah blah blah, Democrat hoax, blah blah blah, it's not that bad, blah blah blah it's going away.
 

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This to me is an election issue. Trump has said he's doing everything in his power to stop the spread of Covid-19, but what he's done over the past three months, shows counter.

Case in points:

1. He held an indoor Oklahoma rally without any guidance for social distancing or mask wearing. Herman Cain contracted Covid-19 after attending the rally.
2. His South Dakota rally had no mandates for masks or social distancing.
3. During his convention speech, nobody in the audience was social distancing or wearing a mask.
4. He defied both the Nevada orders and CDC guidelines, when he had an indoor rally with no mask or social distancing.

Please defend Trump here Trump supporters. I really don't get it. Why does Trump claim he wants to protect Americans, but hold rallies and show lack of interest to basic health guidelines?

Help me out here. If Trump cared about public health, we wouldn't be seeing him having a reckless regard to public safety? As a registered Republican, this is one of my many reserves against Trump. I deserve an intelligent response. And no, I don't want to hear what-about-isms.

I guess the best answer I have is the one I've been stating for quite some time. I am not afraid of this "threat."

The more we've learned, the less afraid I've become.

More and more people are also learning that they are likely not at much risk.

Other's are learning that they are at grave risk.

We pretty much know who is who and which is which now as well.

So those at greatest risk, should be protected. No argument from me.

Meanwhile those of us who are not? IMO we should be left the **** alone, to be free to go about our business without having authoritarian restrictions placed on us by fearmongering.

So if those people want to go to a rally? Or like the students of NYU, want to party in Washington Square Park? Hell...if anyone wants to go to the beach, walk the streets, go clubbing...whatever? They should be allowed to do so.

Those of your who DO fear? Take all the precautions you wish. Buy one of those portable bubbles they use for people who have no immune systems if you want. YOU are in control of YOUR life.

Meanwhile I defend individual freedom. I don't agree that other's have a right to dictate how I live.

So when it comes to Trump and his rallies? I have no problem with them....any more than you "Lefties" have with BLM, ANTIFAS, or other "SJW" groups who freely protest like they are "IMMUNE" to those same disease vectors you complain about. Many who don't wear masks or practice "social distancing."

As for those wh, do wear "masks." Most of those who wear masks aren't doing it because of COVID-19. They are doing it to protect their identities while they riot, pillage, and burn. :coffeepap:
 
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I guess the best answer I have is the one I've been stating for quite some time. I am not afraid of this "threat."

The more we've learned, the less afraid I've become.

More and more people are also learning that they are likely not at much risk.

Other's are learning that are at grave risk.

We know who is who now as well.

So those at greatest risk, should be protected.

Meanwhile those of us who are not? IMO we should be left the **** alone, to be free to go about our business without having authoritarian restrictions placed on us by fearmongering.

So if those people want to go to a rally? Or like the students of NYU, want to party in Washington Square Park? Hell...if anyone wants to go to the beach, walk the streets, go clubbing...whatever? They should be allowed to do so.

Those of your who DO fear? Take all the precautions you wish. Buy one of those portable bubbles they use for people who have no immune systems if you want. YOU are in control of YOUR life.

Meanwhile I defend individual freedom. I don't agree that other's have a right to dictate how I live.

So when it comes to Trump and his rallies? I have no problem with them....any more than you "Lefties" have with BLM, ANTIFAS, or other "SJW" groups who freely protest like they are "IMMUNE" to those same disease vectors you complain about.

Here's the problems:

I am not a "lefty".

Covid-19 is still a threat to public health.

The rally in Oklahoma took place when cases of Covid-19 were on the rise, and never took any real safety precautions.

For the Nevada rally, he defied both the state and CDC guidelines.

A freedom is not a freedom, if it impacts public health. This is a virus which can be passed on other people, even if the carrier is not experiencing covid symptoms.

Trump cannot logically claim is cares about public health and doing everything possible, when he's promoting the spread of the virus.

My question is not about YOUR fears of the virus, it's about how Trump is putting people's lives in danger.
 

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Here's the problems:

I am not a "lefty".

Okay, maybe I should have added "and those of an authoritarian bent?"

Covid-19 is still a threat to public health.

So are a million other disease vectors we live with on a daily basis. That tens of thousands die of every year without raising an eyebrow.

However, as with those we pretty much know who is at risk and so who should be taking personal precautions. We are getting pretty clear as to the situation with Covid-19 too.

The rally in Oklahoma took place when cases of Covid-19 were on the rise, and never took any real safety precautions.

Clearly you have not been following my posts on the subject of "cases." Let me reiterate. CASES does not equal either serious effects or deaths. The vast majority of CASES result in little or no symptoms for most people.

For the Nevada rally, he defied both the state and CDC guidelines.

That is an assertion. But even if true, you already have my position on that in the post you responded to.

A freedom is not a freedom, if it impacts public health. This is a virus which can be passed on other people, even if the carrier is not experiencing covid symptoms.

A "freedom is not a freedom" if it is not exercisable. That's what makes it a FREEDOM.

Authoritarians don't believe in freedom, and they make your very argument the basis for seeking all sorts of restrictions.

Trump cannot logically claim is cares about public health and doing everything possible, when he's promoting the spread of the virus.

Promoting the virus? LOL. Is he going around urging people to cough and sneeze on others. Has he advocated rallies in retirement homes?

People are attending these rallies VOLUNTARILY.

My question is not about YOUR fears of the virus, it's about how Trump is putting people's lives in danger.

THAT is YOUR opinion. It is not a fact. :coffeepap:
 
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Sorry, but what you're seeing from him is his best.

This is as good as it gets under a Trump Presidency, folks.
 

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This to me is an election issue. Trump has said he's doing everything in his power to stop the spread of Covid-19, but what he's done over the past three months, shows counter.

Case in points:

1. He held an indoor Oklahoma rally without any guidance for social distancing or mask wearing. Herman Cain contracted Covid-19 after attending the rally.
2. His South Dakota rally had no mandates for masks or social distancing.
3. During his convention speech, nobody in the audience was social distancing or wearing a mask.
4. He defied both the Nevada orders and CDC guidelines, when he had an indoor rally with no mask or social distancing.

Please defend Trump here Trump supporters. I really don't get it. Why does Trump claim he wants to protect Americans, but hold rallies and show lack of interest to basic health guidelines?

Help me out here. If Trump cared about public health, we wouldn't be seeing him having a reckless regard to public safety? As a registered Republican, this is one of my many reserves against Trump. I deserve an intelligent response. And no, I don't want to hear what-about-isms.
Donald Trump lying isn’t a surprise at this point. It’s sad that we have a president that is a habitual self-serving liar But it isn’t surprising seeing him for four years.

This is indeed an election issue. How can anyone trust a president whose words are so at odds with the truth and who sets a bad example, by encouraging supporters to ignore medical advice?

Worse, when asked about his rallies ignoring sound medical advice, he said, ‘I’m up here far away from everyone else, so it’s safe’ — which means he doesn’t give a damn about the audience that is unmasked and tightly seated.
 
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This to me is an election issue. Trump has said he's doing everything in his power to stop the spread of Covid-19, but what he's done over the past three months, shows counter.

Case in points:

1. He held an indoor Oklahoma rally without any guidance for social distancing or mask wearing. Herman Cain contracted Covid-19 after attending the rally.
2. His South Dakota rally had no mandates for masks or social distancing.
3. During his convention speech, nobody in the audience was social distancing or wearing a mask.
4. He defied both the Nevada orders and CDC guidelines, when he had an indoor rally with no mask or social distancing.

Please defend Trump here Trump supporters. I really don't get it. Why does Trump claim he wants to protect Americans, but hold rallies and show lack of interest to basic health guidelines?

Help me out here. If Trump cared about public health, we wouldn't be seeing him having a reckless regard to public safety? As a registered Republican, this is one of my many reserves against Trump. I deserve an intelligent response. And no, I don't want to hear what-about-isms.

You answered your own question. Rattlesnake Trump could "say" he is doing everything to fight the virus because he loves to lie. Someone should post Tim Kaine's "NOT ONE WORD!" chant at the 2016 Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia. (He started it during his Vice President nomination acceptance speech.) Now we have indisputable proof from the rattlesnake himself. He admitted it.
 

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They only have the same propaganda narrative they've been trying to trick people with since this started. Blah blah blah, Democrat hoax, blah blah blah, it's not that bad, blah blah blah it's going away.

The reason his supporters say that crap is they worship him. They never acted like this during the Bush administration. It is only Trump. So I will continue to ask everyone who likes him why they do because if only political issues mattered to them, someone else would have been the RNC nominee in 2016.
 

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Sorry, but what you're seeing from him is his best.

This is as good as it gets under a Trump Presidency, folks.

I prefer to aay "least bad" for anything the rattlesnake does that can be remotely decent.
 

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This to me is an election issue. Trump has said he's doing everything in his power to stop the spread of Covid-19, but what he's done over the past three months, shows counter.

Case in points:

1. He held an indoor Oklahoma rally without any guidance for social distancing or mask wearing. Herman Cain contracted Covid-19 after attending the rally.
2. His South Dakota rally had no mandates for masks or social distancing.
3. During his convention speech, nobody in the audience was social distancing or wearing a mask.
4. He defied both the Nevada orders and CDC guidelines, when he had an indoor rally with no mask or social distancing.

Please defend Trump here Trump supporters. I really don't get it. Why does Trump claim he wants to protect Americans, but hold rallies and show lack of interest to basic health guidelines?

Help me out here. If Trump cared about public health, we wouldn't be seeing him having a reckless regard to public safety? As a registered Republican, this is one of my many reserves against Trump. I deserve an intelligent response. And no, I don't want to hear what-about-isms.

Yeah, the whole 'breaking Nevada state law to have an indoor campaign rally' thing really just screams "be safe!!!!"

:rofl




This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 

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This to me is an election issue. Trump has said he's doing everything in his power to stop the spread of Covid-19, but what he's done over the past three months, shows counter.

Case in points:

1. He held an indoor Oklahoma rally without any guidance for social distancing or mask wearing. Herman Cain contracted Covid-19 after attending the rally.
2. His South Dakota rally had no mandates for masks or social distancing.
3. During his convention speech, nobody in the audience was social distancing or wearing a mask.
4. He defied both the Nevada orders and CDC guidelines, when he had an indoor rally with no mask or social distancing.

Please defend Trump here Trump supporters. I really don't get it. Why does Trump claim he wants to protect Americans, but hold rallies and show lack of interest to basic health guidelines?

Help me out here. If Trump cared about public health, we wouldn't be seeing him having a reckless regard to public safety? As a registered Republican, this is one of my many reserves against Trump. I deserve an intelligent response. And no, I don't want to hear what-about-isms.

I think you are over-thinking the issue. Trump wants to win.
He fires up his base by playing to a big crowd.
He is making a bet that more people will respond favorably to his open air rallies than will penalize him for having a rally where few people are wearing masks.
How to you think that will affect the voters? Will more or fewer people vote for him because he is not handling the coronavirus according to how you would like him to.

A more interesting question would be:
Given all the crowds we see at rallies, parties, churches, and beaches without masks, would it have made any difference six months ago if Trump had told the country he thought the virus was very serious?
 

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Probably because he's an incompetent boob, and the only thing he's good at is branding his name and Reality-TV drama. And as such, this colossal **** up of a pandemic response really is the best he is capable of.

Historians may write that he was re-elected despite all of the people like you who think he is incompetent and didn't handle the pandemic correctly. That is a distinct possibility and your criticisms of Trump will be soon forgotten.
 

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This to me is an election issue. Trump has said he's doing everything in his power to stop the spread of Covid-19, but what he's done over the past three months, shows counter.

Case in points:

1. He held an indoor Oklahoma rally without any guidance for social distancing or mask wearing. Herman Cain contracted Covid-19 after attending the rally.
2. His South Dakota rally had no mandates for masks or social distancing.
3. During his convention speech, nobody in the audience was social distancing or wearing a mask.
4. He defied both the Nevada orders and CDC guidelines, when he had an indoor rally with no mask or social distancing.

Please defend Trump here Trump supporters. I really don't get it. Why does Trump claim he wants to protect Americans, but hold rallies and show lack of interest to basic health guidelines?

Help me out here. If Trump cared about public health, we wouldn't be seeing him having a reckless regard to public safety? As a registered Republican, this is one of my many reserves against Trump. I deserve an intelligent response. And no, I don't want to hear what-about-isms.

Because mask wearing is not necessarily the key to preventing COVID infections.

More and more research is now coming out indicating that one of the most common ways to contract COVID may be from using silverware at restaurants which is not properly disinfected.

People listen to liberals drill one line over and over, and don't stop to think for themselves. They thought they would be protected from COVID because they wore a mask constantly, and guess what? They got it anyway. From using dinnerware that wasn't properly cleaned.

Adults With COVID-19 Twice As Likely To Have Eaten At Restaurants, CDC Study Finds : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR

Democrats, literally, could have caused so many deaths, convincing people that as long as they were wearing a mask, they wouldn't contract the disease.

Hermain Cain contracted COVID after a member of BLM exposed him to the virus on purpose. They are willing to shoot cops, they are willing to laugh at people shooting cops, they are willing to stab black conservative journalists, and they are willing to sacrifice conservative black lives in the name of their socialist cause.
 
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I would like to hear from Trumpsters here. You're right. Most of us here see this as wildly hypocritical and grossly incompetency.

His fighting for his political life and he is running purely on instinct.
Anti-Trumpers like you may think he is being hypocritical and incompetent.
But if he wins (and that is a distinct possibility) what will it matter if people believe what you wrote.
We don't know what is going to happen. You're not going to vote for him anyway, so what if, in your opinion, he is being hypocritical and not as competent (whatever that means) as you would like him to be?
 

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Sorry, but what you're seeing from him is his best.

This is as good as it gets under a Trump Presidency, folks.

Who would you be comparing him to? Maybe what he is doing is the best of any president during these trying times.
The economy is improving; cases and deaths are decreasing; and no new wars have been started.
What else would you like him to do? Wear a mask to make you feel better.?
 

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Donald Trump lying isn’t a surprise at this point. It’s sad that we have a president that is a habitual self-serving liar But it isn’t surprising seeing him for four years.

This is indeed an election issue. How can anyone trust a president whose words are so at odds with the truth and who sets a bad example, by encouraging supporters to ignore medical advice?

Worse, when asked about his rallies ignoring sound medical advice, he said, ‘I’m up here far away from everyone else, so it’s safe’ — which means he doesn’t give a damn about the audience that is unmasked and tightly seated.

People at his rallies are exercising their free will. You're not there so what is your concern?
Given your disdain for Trump you probably would never come into contact with someone who attended a Trump rally.
 

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The reason his supporters say that crap is they worship him. They never acted like this during the Bush administration. It is only Trump. So I will continue to ask everyone who likes him why they do because if only political issues mattered to them, someone else would have been the RNC nominee in 2016.

Candidates win primaries because of their stance on political issues as well as their personalities.
I like Trump because I know he is going to get the country through this pandemic and revive the economy.
I have no confidence in Biden being able to do that.
Political issues and policies mean a lot to me. And so far, Biden's political position on different issues really worry me.
 

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Because mask wearing is not necessarily the key to preventing COVID infections.

More and more research is now coming out indicating that one of the most common ways to contract COVID may be from using silverware at restaurants which is not properly disinfected.

People listen to liberals drill one line over and over, and don't stop to think for themselves. They thought they would be protected from COVID because they wore a mask constantly, and guess what? They got it anyway. From using dinnerware that wasn't properly cleaned.

Adults With COVID-19 Twice As Likely To Have Eaten At Restaurants, CDC Study Finds : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR

Democrats, literally, could have caused so many deaths, convincing people that as long as they were wearing a mask, they wouldn't contract the disease.

Hermain Cain contracted COVID after a member of BLM exposed him to the virus on purpose. They are willing to shoot cops, they are willing to laugh at people shooting cops, they are willing to stab black conservative journalists, and they are willing to sacrifice conservative black lives in the name of their socialist cause.

How many of those positive claims can you prove starting with the Herman Cain farce, and the other nonsense that comes after that asinine positive claim? Let's see the links.
 

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Because mask wearing is not necessarily the key to preventing COVID infections.

More and more research is now coming out indicating that one of the most common ways to contract COVID may be from using silverware at restaurants which is not properly disinfected.

People listen to liberals drill one line over and over, and don't stop to think for themselves. They thought they would be protected from COVID because they wore a mask constantly, and guess what? They got it anyway. From using dinnerware that wasn't properly cleaned.

Adults With COVID-19 Twice As Likely To Have Eaten At Restaurants, CDC Study Finds : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR

Democrats, literally, could have caused so many deaths, convincing people that as long as they were wearing a mask, they wouldn't contract the disease.

Hermain Cain contracted COVID after a member of BLM exposed him to the virus on purpose. They are willing to shoot cops, they are willing to laugh at people shooting cops, they are willing to stab black conservative journalists, and they are willing to sacrifice conservative black lives in the name of their socialist cause.

Your link says nothing about silverware it speaks of air circulation in restaurants and people being exposed to those that are already contagious. It also talks of going to gyms amd hairdressers. Me thinks you didn't read your own link very well.
Masks are not for Your protection, it is to reduce the spread, you have had this explained to you over and over but yet it does not stick, why is that?
Cain did not get exposed by some BLM member, but that is a new conspiracy theory, got some proof to back it up?
 

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Probably because he's an incompetent boob, and the only thing he's good at is branding his name and Reality-TV drama. And as such, this colossal **** up of a pandemic response really is the best he is capable of.

Your beating an old dog there mate. Referring to reality reality tv. I think you might be 5 years behind the times mate.
 

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Candidates win primaries because of their stance on political issues as well as their personalities.
I like Trump because I know he is going to get the country through this pandemic and revive the economy.
I have no confidence in Biden being able to do that.
Political issues and policies mean a lot to me. And so far, Biden's political position on different issues really worry me.

Why do you have that confidence? It cannot be based on performance, he has bungled handing the Pandemic since day one and he did nothing more than ride the economy that was already in place when he got elected.
 

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I think you are over-thinking the issue. Trump wants to win.
He fires up his base by playing to a big crowd.
He is making a bet that more people will respond favorably to his open air rallies than will penalize him for having a rally where few people are wearing masks.

So winning an election is more important to him than public safety?
 
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