How Brexit is a win for Putin

[Rogue Valley]

How Brexit is a win for Putin

"Most importantly, one of the European Union’s most principled critics of Russian aggression in Europe will no longer have a vote in Brussels."

 

[joG]

How Brexit is a win for Putin

"Most importantly, one of the European Union’s most principled critics of Russian aggression in Europe will no longer have a vote in Brussels."

If we let him win, he wins. We all took a chance on Brexit and so Putin takes the winnings.

On the other hand, Britain has not and need not trigger article 50. It can maintain the option, while it participates in the restructure that the EU knows it must move on quickly. So, let's hope Obama doesn't draw any lines in the sand or tell the French, what they should do and help quietly in any sensible way the EU needs.

 

[reinoe]

I don't see the problem. If England is on the opposite end of Europe. Why should England be the loudest voice against Russian "aggression" when countries much closer to Russia don't seem to mind?

 

[digsbe]

What is the European Union going to do about Russia anyway even without a "vote" by the UK in Brussels? I'm sure they aren't going to use a military to oppose his militant expansion into Eastern Europe. They'll let the Americans and NATO do the dirty work and then criticize us for it.

 

[MickeyW]

How Brexit is a win for Putin

"Most importantly, one of the European Union’s most principled critics of Russian aggression in Europe will no longer have a vote in Brussels."

So what? Made up Booogie man here...

If we let him win, he wins. We all took a chance on Brexit and so Putin takes the winnings.

On the other hand, Britain has not and need not trigger article 50. It can maintain the option, while it participates in the restructure that the EU knows it must move on quickly. So, let's hope Obama doesn't draw any lines in the sand or tell the French, what they should do and help quietly in any sensible way the EU needs.

And most of all...Keep Lurch Kerry out of the way.....he's nothing but a buffoon!

I don't see the problem. If England is on the opposite end of Europe. Why should England be the loudest voice against Russian "aggression" when countries much closer to Russia don't seem to mind?

Fully agree.

 

[MickeyW]

What is the European Union going to do about Russia anyway even without a "vote" by the UK in Brussels? I'm sure they aren't going to use a military to oppose his militant expansion into Eastern Europe. They'll let the Americans and NATO do the dirty work and then criticize us for it.

You got It! :thumbs:

 

[SailaWay]

yes that is a win for putin and trump and the stock markets saying its a win economically for UK and the euro union nations the losers

friday stock market had UK losing 3.15%... france 6.2%.. germany 6.8%

today monday has it Uk losing 2.5%.... france 3.4% and germany 3.5%

what we see is the money is betting on that the immigration issue harms and UK stopping the immigration issue is harmed less and germany bringing the immigration issue the most harmed the most

 

[Rogue Valley]

What is the European Union going to do about Russia anyway even without a "vote" by the UK in Brussels? I'm sure they aren't going to use a military to oppose his militant expansion into Eastern Europe. They'll let the Americans and NATO do the dirty work and then criticize us for it.

Moscow did something in 2014 that had not occurred in Europe since the end of WWII. Moscow used military power in Crimea and Donbass to rip away sovereign territory that belonged to another state. With his huge nuclear-weapons stockpile, Putin is assured that no nation or military alliance can force a military solution to his aggression. An economic lever however, is another matter.

The EU does not possess a military, but it does indeed possess immense economic power. Moscow can do nothing about the slumping global price of oil, and the Kremlin's fiscal budget is predicated on a minimum price of $100 per barrel of crude. Prior to the Ukraine invasion, the Russian state (bonds) and Russian banks (loans) could have procured foreign funding so Moscow could ride out the current low price of oil with minimum disruption to the Russian economy. Western sanctions removed that possibility. Moscow has been borrowing from its two national "well-being" funds, but at the current rate of withdrawal these funds will be empty by the end of 2017.

Putin is desperate to dilute/remove the sanctions. Russia's internal regions are all nearing bankruptcy. Putin's bridge to Crimea by itself will consume 75% of all fiscal 2016 rubles earmarked for Russian road/highway maintenance/improvements. It costs Moscow ~80 million Euros (€) per month to sustain Putin's war-torn DNR 'People's Soviet' / LNR 'People's Soviet' statelets in eastern Ukraine.

Putin welcomes any divisive event (such as Brexit) and politician (such as Frank-Walter Steinmeier) that serves to weaken EU/Western resolve regarding sanctions pertaining to Moscow's illegal actions in Ukraine for the past 2½ years.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

What is the European Union going to do about Russia anyway even without a "vote" by the UK in Brussels? I'm sure they aren't going to use a military to oppose his militant expansion into Eastern Europe. They'll let the Americans and NATO do the dirty work and then criticize us for it.

The EU does not to my knowledge have a military the countries that are part of the EU do and the majority of EU members are in NATO. So in actuality the EU would be doing the work along with the US

 

[CanadaJohn]

How Brexit is a win for Putin

"Most importantly, one of the European Union’s most principled critics of Russian aggression in Europe will no longer have a vote in Brussels."

This really is kind of idiotic, in my view. Russian aggression, militarily, was and always will be challenged by NATO, not the EU. Economically, Russia is a basket case at the moment.

 

[digsbe]

The EU does not to my knowledge have a military the countries that are part of the EU do and the majority of EU members are in NATO. So in actuality the EU would be doing the work along with the US

Which is code for just the US handle everything because we don't want to invest in a sizable military.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Which is code for just the US handle everything because we don't want to invest in a sizable military.

The combined military spending of the EU is at l east triple in USD then that of Russia. Active duty members are triple as well. How much more should they spend to defend themselves?

 

[CanadaJohn]

Moscow did something in 2014 that had not occurred in Europe since the end of WWII. Moscow used military power in Crimea and Donbass to rip away sovereign territory that belonged to another state. With his huge nuclear-weapons stockpile, Putin is assured that no nation or military alliance can force a military solution to his aggression. An economic lever however, is another matter.

The EU does not possess a military, but it does indeed possess immense economic power. Moscow can do nothing about the slumping global price of oil, and the Kremlin's fiscal budget is predicated on a minimum price of $100 per barrel of crude. Prior to the Ukraine invasion, the Russian state (bonds) and Russian banks (loans) could have procured foreign funding so Moscow could ride out the current low price of oil with minimum disruption to the Russian economy. Western sanctions removed that possibility. Moscow has been borrowing from its two national "well-being" funds, but at the current rate of withdrawal these funds will be empty by the end of 2017.

Putin is desperate to dilute/remove the sanctions. Russia's internal regions are all nearing bankruptcy. Putin's bridge to Crimea by itself will consume 75% of all fiscal 2016 rubles earmarked for Russian road/highway maintenance/improvements. It costs Moscow ~80 million Euros (€) per month to sustain Putin's war-torn DNR 'People's Soviet' / LNR 'People's Soviet' statelets in eastern Ukraine.

Putin welcomes any divisive event (such as Brexit) and politician (such as Frank-Walter Steinmeier) that serves to weaken EU/Western resolve regarding sanctions pertaining to Moscow's illegal actions in Ukraine for the past 2½ years.

Seriously? Didn't the EU cower behind Russia's threats to cut off the flow of natural gas to it's European customers if they made a peep about Crimea and the Ukraine? The only sanctions were those that were pursued by the US and strong Ukrainian allies like Canada's former conservative government. Even the UN was relatively useless with a Russian veto in the Security Council

 

[Rogue Valley]

Seriously? Didn't the EU cower behind Russia's threats to cut off the flow of natural gas to it's European customers if they made a peep about Crimea and the Ukraine?

Russia needs FOREX far more than Europe needs Russian gas. The price of crude is far below the budget-requirements of a petro-state such as Russia. In addition, Iranian oil now adds to the global glut and further reduces Moscow's ability to coerce.

The only sanctions were those that were pursued by the US and strong Ukrainian allies like Canada's former conservative government.

Wrong. The US/EU/G7 nations have all imposed sanctions against designated Russian individuals/sectors/companies. The twin pillars of EU sanctions were recently extended...

EU extends sanctions on Russia-annexed Crimea until mid-2017

EU ‘to extend sanctions’ against Russia over Ukraine conflict

Russia sanctions extended until 31 January 2017

Even the UN was relatively useless with a Russian veto in the Security Council

The UN is habitually useless.

 

[Higgins86]

Yep because before we voted out Europe showed a United front against Russia when they invaded neighbouring countries, oh wait...

 

[Rogue Valley]

Canada John....

I do wish to take this opportunity to thank the Canadian government of Stephen Harper for its steadfast support of Ukraine, and the many times the Canadian people held rally's for the release of Ukrainian POW Lt. Nadiya Savchenko from Russian captivity. It is all greatly appreciated. Canada is home to more ethnic Ukrainians than any other nation in the free world.

Canada has also sent soldiers/medics/police to Ukraine for training purposes. It seems that the government of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will also support Ukraine in her hour of need...

"Canada will continue to defend Ukraine's sovereignty in response to Russia's illegal annexation of Crimea as well as its support to insurgents in eastern Ukraine. And we will continue to stand firmly beside Ukraine as you lead important reform efforts in your country, including directly supporting efforts to strengthen democracy, respect the rule of law, and encourage economic growth."

Mr. Trudeau will travel to Warsawa for an important meeting of NATO leaders on July 8 and 9. Ottawa will consider sending more troops to the region in support of the NATO alliance. Mr. Trudeau will then visit Ukraine on July 11 and 12. The Canadian delegation will receive a very warm welcome indeed. On the to-do list is the signing of a Canada-Ukraine free trade agreement. The rough outline of this agreement began under the Harper government and it has been finalized under the Trudeau government. It will be signed by Prime Minister Trudeau and President Poroshenko in Kyiv.

 

[SailaWay]

UK stock market has beat france and germany AGAIN all 3 days .. germany last all 3 days....HORRENDOUS BLUNDER by merkel!! and liberals

and big blunder by liberals showing how easy it is to secede and showing how the big issue is that the more wise voters are conservative. which will change things everywhere when a wisdom test for voters becomes law everywhere...

75% of 18-24 yr olds voted to stay in the euro which would mean the older and more wise voted in a landslide to leave more liberal euro union.. this will wake up the world and america .. liberalism will be finished...America has 30 conservative states ready to secede with canada' conservative province alberta joining THE CONSERVATIVE STATES OF AMERCA.. china is very conservative as well as russia and now europe and america will be also.... all these will have a wisdom test for its voters.. China probably has that in private.. they see the people that seem wise and they bring them in and give them wisdom tests and they then vote for their leaders and make the laws and that is why their GDP scores have soared.. whereas liberal europe stuck with making stupid mistakes of having liberalism

 

[Jack Fabulous]

UK stock market has beat france and germany AGAIN all 3 days .. germany last all 3 days....HORRENDOUS BLUNDER by merkel!! and liberals

and big blunder by liberals showing how easy it is to secede and showing how the big issue is that the more wise voters are conservative. which will change things everywhere when a wisdom test for voters becomes law everywhere...

75% of 18-24 yr olds voted to stay in the euro which would mean the older and more wise voted in a landslide to leave more liberal euro union.. this will wake up the world and america .. liberalism will be finished...America has 30 conservative states ready to secede with canada' conservative province alberta joining THE CONSERVATIVE STATES OF AMERCA.. china is very conservative as well as russia and now europe and america will be also.... all these will have a wisdom test for its voters.. China probably has that in private.. they see the people that seem wise and they bring them in and give them wisdom tests and they then vote for their leaders and make the laws and that is why their GDP scores have soared.. whereas liberal europe stuck with making stupid mistakes of having liberalism

Based on what is written in this post, if there ever were such a thing as a "wisdom test" implemented for voting, you would fail.

 

[Rogue Valley]

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[SailaWay]

Based on what is written in this post, if there ever were such a thing as a "wisdom test" implemented for voting, you would fail.

true wisdom is logic ability and this makes one predict correctly harm or help..... if you cannot nderstand this point you have failed a logic ability test

THE 4 day pattern with the stock markets of UK.. FRANCE ,,and GERMANY..... EACH and every day UK was the winner of these 3...
each and every day Germany was the loser of these 3.

THE REASON is the wise can see that the immigration issue harms.. and UK shows they are saying most to NO they are helped the most and since germany is saying YES they are harmed the worst

 

[Jack Fabulous]

true wisdom is logic ability and this makes one predict correctly harm or help..... if you cannot nderstand this point you have failed a logic ability test

THE 4 day pattern with the stock markets of UK.. FRANCE ,,and GERMANY..... EACH and every day UK was the winner of these 3...
each and every day Germany was the loser of these 3.

THE REASON is the wise can see that the immigration issue harms.. and UK shows they are saying most to NO they are helped the most and since germany is saying YES they are harmed the worst

The pattern of the stock markets was a knee jerk reaction by people who got unexpected news. That's it. Furthermore, I would suggest that the majority of stockholders actually favored the UK staying in the EU so that makes your analysis even that much more ridiculous.

 

[SailaWay]

The pattern of the stock markets was a knee jerk reaction by people who got unexpected news. That's it. Furthermore, I would suggest that the majority of stockholders actually favored the UK staying in the EU so that makes your analysis even that much more ridiculous.

WRONG.... the 75% voting for the union were the least wise..compare their IQ'S.. especially the logic part to the rest who voted in a landslide to exit the euro.. 18-25 yer olds have less experience even if their IQ's were the same.. EDUCATION IS NOT WISDOM.. IT is IQ's especially the logic part.. the memory part is like a parrot and one can get several degrees without understanding much of anything... PREDICTORS have the true wisdom and these are the ones with high logical thinking ability

THE 4 day pattern with the stock markets of UK.. FRANCE ,,and GERMANY..... EACH and every day UK was the winner of these 3...
each and every day Germany was the loser of these 3.

THE REASON is the wise can see that the immigration issue harms.. and UK shows they are saying most to NO they are helped the most and since germany is saying YES they are harmed the worst

 

[SailaWay]

Euro Union nation has LOST TRILLIONS with MERKELS Horrendous error.. will she be thrown in jail?

each and every day since the vote.. Uk stock has beat france and germany each day with germany the worst each day

canada will benefit greatly from this as well as america with trading strong with UK.. same with austrailia

for the WEEK after the vote.... UK GAINED 2.6%....all the rest had a minus... France 5.1%.. Germany 5.6%..Spain 8.1%..Italy 9.8%.. Ireland 11.7%...Greece 12.3%... and each of the nordic states in the euro union lost and these will vote to secede from the union and the reason why they lost less..

WHAT a MONSTROUS ERROR by MERKEL...!!!

and how the very young voted shows this issue was a wisdom test for voters.. 75% of 18-25 voted to remain in union which means the others more experienced and wiser voted in a landslide to exit

and the stock markets proves who are the wiinners and losers and also shows if you let unwise people vote a nation WILL BE THE LOSER.. so soon there will be a world wide wisdom test for voters and no more liberalism..

THIS also will bring te conservative states to separate from the liberals states.... WELCOME TO THE CONSERVATIVE STATES OF AMERICA

 

[Rogue Valley]

75% of 18-25 voted to remain in union which means the others more experienced and wiser voted in a landslide to exit

It means that older people (more dependent on healthcare) believed the claim that Brexit would increase funding to NHS by £350 million per week. This claim was an outright fabrication.

In addition, the retirement funds of older people also probably lost money in this fiasco.

 

[SailaWay]

It means that older people (more dependent on healthcare) believed the claim that Brexit would increase funding to NHS by £350 million per week. This claim was an outright fabrication.

In addition, the retirement funds of older people also probably lost money in this fiasco.

WRONG.. that 75% in favor of exit by 18-25 and that would prove the middle age also voted to EXIT..because there would be so many voting in that group.. The middle agers would also vote to exit proving this is simply a WISDOM TEST ISSUE