How best to deal with gender pay gap? I say we use prevailing wage.

[Mason66]

I'm guessing he wasted his time and money on a gender studies degree and thinks he should be given a job with a surgeon's salary....

I would bet she is a student and isn't in the workplace yet.

 

[it's just me]

What is the best course of action to deal with the gender bias in our society where professions dominated by men are considered more valuable than those dominated by women? For example, an elementary school teacher with a Masters degree in Education is not paid the same as those in male dominated professions, such as Mechanical Engineering. I say the government should enforce prevailing wage based on educational attainment and time in service to remove the discrimination.

Employers should have a set salary based on your educational attainment and your time in service. Your employer can not pay you more or less, regardless of gender ratio in your field.

There should not be scattered unions. All workers in the country should be in one union together and your field should be irrelevant. I am not talking about Communism. I am not talking about everybody getting paid the same. You would be paid based on your skills. If you have a High School diploma and 3 years of work experience, you get paid a certain amount per hour. If you have a 4 year degree and 6 years of experience, you get paid more.

A Mech E gets paid more than an elementary school teacher because he is more productive, number one, and number two, he is an employee of the private sector, and the teacher is employed by the state. This isn't rocket science.

 

[Nap]

Within the same profession has nothing to do with my statement that all professions should be paid based entirely on their educational credentials and time in service. It is about paying a kindergarten teacher with Masters degrees in Education and Gender Studies the same as a Mechanical Engineer with Masters Degrees in Physics and Engineering. We look at the profession's gender ratio and assign the profession's pay based on that right now. It is a proven fact someone with an Art History degree typically winds up making less than someone with a Computer Science degree regardless of gender. Put it this way, we see a Phd in Ethnic Studies as somehow less than a Phd in Astrophysics because of our prejudicial bias and, in the case of women, internalized patriarchy. This, not the gender pay ratio WITHIN the field, except the pay ratio from field to field can only be explained by gender.

Lol, you can't be serious.

Education & Gender Studies vs Physics & Engineering
Art History vs Computer Science
Ethnic Studies vs Astrophysics

Do you honestly think each of those examples are both equally attainable and valuable to society?

 

[Oborosen]

Within the same profession has nothing to do with my statement that all professions should be paid based entirely on their educational credentials and time in service. It is about paying a kindergarten teacher with Masters degrees in Education and Gender Studies the same as a Mechanical Engineer with Masters Degrees in Physics and Engineering. We look at the profession's gender ratio and assign the profession's pay based on that right now. It is a proven fact someone with an Art History degree typically winds up making less than someone with a Computer Science degree regardless of gender. Put it this way, we see a Phd in Ethnic Studies as somehow less than a Phd in Astrophysics because of our prejudicial bias and, in the case of women, internalized patriarchy. This, not the gender pay ratio WITHIN the field, except the pay ratio from field to field can only be explained by gender.

You are missing the issue that professions do not pay anyone based on their educational credentials. If that where the case, someone would keep stacking on degrees and keep getting more money applied to their position. No matter the job they were already performing.

Even as it stands now, there is no standing evidence for any sort of evidence for the wage gap that you are postulating.

Men and women are paid exactly the same, compared to their job standards. If you've made the effort to go out and grab an extra degree in your spare time. You should not be paid extra for something that is not already take into account for your current job.

The husband working a typically higher paying job, than his wife. Is the reason he is getting paid more, not because of his gender compared to hers.

 

[Grim17]

The gap exists because employers value men more.

You have just made my point. There are a multitude of reasons for the gender pay gap, and you are offering a solution as if it were one thing responsible for it, and that one thing is a problem needing a solution.

I would love to have a reasonable discussion about this issue, so could you do me a favor please. Take just 5 minutes of your time and watch the following video and let me know what you think. If you disagree with anything that's presented, be sure to present the basis for your disagreement. I think you might find it enlightening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcDrE5YvqTs

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[Nap]

You are missing the issue that professions do not pay anyone based on their educational credentials. If that where the case, someone would keep stacking on degrees and keep getting more money applied to their position. No matter the job they were already performing.

Even as it stands now, there is no standing evidence for any sort of evidence for the wage gap that you are postulating.

Men and women are paid exactly the same, compared to their job standards. If you've made the effort to go out and grab an extra degree in your spare time. You should not be paid extra for something that is not already take into account for your current job.

The husband working a typically higher paying job, than his wife. Is the reason he is getting paid more, not because of his gender compared to hers.

That isn't entirely true. In many professions you will have a higher entry level salary with a degree and for many companies if you get a degree while employed you will get a pay increase. For instance my position has 3 pay levels, if I were to go back to school to get an engineering degree they would reimburse me for the costs and likely bump me up to the 3rd level if I stayed at my current position, but if I were to go back to school it would be to move up into engineering.

 

[Oborosen]

That isn't entirely true. In many professions you will have a higher entry level salary with a degree and for many companies if you get a degree while employed you will get a pay increase. For instance my position has 3 pay levels, if I were to go back to school to get an engineering degree they would reimburse me for the costs and likely bump me up to the 3rd level if I stayed at my current position, but if I were to go back to school it would be to move up into engineering.

The reimbursement is there for a reason. Yet no job is willing to just hike up your pay, simple because you have one degree stacked upon another.

This still has nothing to do with myth of a gender pay gap.

 

[Nap]

The reimbursement is there for a reason. Yet no job is willing to just hike up your pay, simple because you have one degree stacked upon another.

This still has nothing to do with myth of a gender pay gap.

I agree on it having nothing to do with the gender pay gap, but businesses will bump up your pay for having a degree. In most cases they have to in order to keep the employee as there aren't many people that will take the time to get a degree and simply stay at their position, they are doing it to better themselves and companies know that. Of course it can't be any degree, they wouldn't even reimburse me for a gender studies or art history degree as there is no value in it for them it would need to be a business or STEM fields in order to have them pay for it.

 

[Moderate71]

The reimbursement is there for a reason. Yet no job is willing to just hike up your pay, simple because you have one degree stacked upon another.

That might not be true. I believe teachers and others in government paid positions may sometimes get a raise for getting a higher degree depending on where they live. Not 100 percent sure though.

 

[Moderate71]

You are missing the issue that professions do not pay anyone based on their educational credentials. If that where the case, someone would keep stacking on degrees and keep getting more money applied to their position. No matter the job they were already performing.

Even as it stands now, there is no standing evidence for any sort of evidence for the wage gap that you are postulating.

Men and women are paid exactly the same, compared to their job standards. If you've made the effort to go out and grab an extra degree in your spare time. You should not be paid extra for something that is not already take into account for your current job.

The husband working a typically higher paying job, than his wife. Is the reason he is getting paid more, not because of his gender compared to hers.

That is my point. They don't pay people more for "stacking on degrees" and they should in a sense. Every PhD field should pay the same. Every BA field should pay the same etc. Why is a PhD in Gender Studies not seen as equal in status to a PhD in Astrophysics? Really think about it for a minute. It is all about perceptions being skewed by a patriarchal outlook, which is often internalized by the very victims it oppresses. People have been conditioned to look at it and notice the gender ratio and assess it's difficulty based on that. Even if it is not intentional, it us still sexist to think that Gender Studies is not every bit as difficult and rigorous as Astrophysics simply because one field is for women and one is for men.

 

[Oborosen]

I agree on it having nothing to do with the gender pay gap, but businesses will bump up your pay for having a degree. In most cases they have to in order to keep the employee as there aren't many people that will take the time to get a degree and simply stay at their position, they are doing it to better themselves and companies know that. Of course it can't be any degree, they wouldn't even reimburse me for a gender studies or art history degree as there is no value in it for them it would need to be a business or STEM fields in order to have them pay for it.

That would be a going term for the job market. Some jobs are more willing and capable of doing so than others.

 

[Oborosen]

That might not be true. I believe teachers and others in government paid positions may sometimes get a raise for getting a higher degree depending on where they live. Not 100 percent sure though.

Various work incentive programs do almost exactly like that. Such is usually done to promote work and reward that extra step.

Though you can most likely find more companies and government run/assisted businesses, that won't even give such an idea a second thought.

 

[Moderate71]

You have just made my point. There are a multitude of reasons for the gender pay gap, and you are offering a solution as if it were one thing responsible for it, and that one thing is a problem needing a solution.

I would love to have a reasonable discussion about this issue, so could you do me a favor please. Take just 5 minutes of your time and watch the following video and let me know what you think. If you disagree with anything that's presented, be sure to present the basis for your disagreement. I think you might find it enlightening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcDrE5YvqTs

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The video is overly concerned with comparing workers to others in the same profession, as opposed to assigning pay strictly on level of degree and time in service regardless of profession.

 

[Oborosen]

That is my point. They don't pay people more for "stacking on degrees" and they should in a sense. Every PhD field should pay the same. Every BA field should pay the same etc. Why is a PhD in Gender Studies not seen as equal in status to a PhD in Astrophysics? Really think about it for a minute. It is all about perceptions being skewed by a patriarchal outlook, which is often internalized by the very victims it oppresses. People have been conditioned to look at it and notice the gender ratio and assess it's difficulty based on that. Even if it is not intentional, it us still sexist to think that Gender Studies is not every bit as difficult and rigorous as Astrophysics simply because one field is for women and one is for men.

The fields are not gender specific, as a man can take gender studies and a woman can take astrophysics. No one is being oppressed in this instance and if it were a patriarchal mechanism of some sort, only men would benefit.

 

[Moderate71]

The fields are not gender specific, as a man can take gender studies and a woman can take astrophysics. No one is being oppressed in this instance and if it were a patriarchal mechanism of some sort, only men would benefit.

I have been saying gender dominated from a ratio standpoint, not gender exclusive. It is sexist to say Astrophysics is harder or more rigorous than Gender Studies simply because of gender ratio. You might be surprised at how many people make that argument.

 

[Mycroft]

I say the government should enforce prevailing wage based on educational attainment and time in service to remove the discrimination.

BZZZT!! WRONG ANSWER!!


Every time any government sets price controls (wage=price of labor), bad things happen.

 

[Oborosen]

I have been saying gender dominated from a ratio standpoint, not gender exclusive. It is sexist to say Astrophysics is harder or more rigorous than Gender Studies simply because of gender ratio. You might be surprised at how many people make that argument.

No, we know that the two genders defer to different things due to their own preferences. Women tending to specialize in fields that deal with personal interaction and men tending to specialize in fields concerning the harder sciences. While this is present both the sexes, there are always exceptions to the rule that appear.

Its the same issue we get to see on college campuses when women choose paths in gender studies and social sciences. While men take fields in scientific, more mechanically inclined fields. This is the same information proposed when I first heard of the 77c on the dollar claim about 18 years ago.

 

[Moderate71]

No, we know that the two genders defer to different things due to their own preferences. Women tending to specialize in fields that deal with personal interaction and men tending to specialize in fields concerning the harder sciences. While this is present both the sexes, there are always exceptions to the rule that appear.

Its the same issue we get to see on college campuses when women choose paths in gender studies and social sciences. While men take fields in scientific, more mechanically inclined fields. This is the same information proposed when I first heard of the 77c on the dollar claim about 18 years ago.

So, do you agree or disagree that we should pay fairly and determine your rate of pay based strictly on your level of educational attainment and time of service?

 

[Southern Dad]

If you have a masters degree and you are teaching elementary, you wasted time and money on acquiring that degree. You only need a bachelors to be an elementary school teacher.

Teachers are paid based upon years of service and education level. Keep in mind when looking at this that teachers work 190 day per year minus sick days. A normal job works 250 days per year (50 weeks times 5 days) that includes removing two weeks vacation.

I’m not taking a side, just pointing out that a masters increases teacher pay. In addition, after ten years of qualifying service teachers can apply to have federal loans forgiven.

It’s hard to compare apples to apples when using teachers for an example. And I’m engaged to a teacher.

http://www.gwinnett.k12.ga.us/careers%5Ccareershr.nsf/1E9AF6BA19EE8BD285257CDA000E6DE2/$file/FY17_Teacher_Salary_Schedule.pdf


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[Grim17]

The video is overly concerned with comparing workers to others in the same profession, as opposed to assigning pay strictly on level of degree and time in service regardless of profession.

The video basically discredits the wage gap as being the result of sexism.

As for your argument that there is a "profession bias" that pays higher wages in professions dominated by men, because they are dominated by men. I just don't buy it. That's not how business is conducted. It's no secret what fields earn more money and which earn less, and it isn't based on the gender of the workers.

You offered the following solution to this perceived problem:

Employers should have a set salary based on your educational attainment and your time in service. Your employer can not pay you more or less, regardless of gender ratio in your field.​

Are you suggesting that a fixed/mandatory salary should be imposed for all companies based on the college degree their employees hold, regardless of what the company does? If that is in fact what you are suggesting, that would not only be economic disaster for US companies, but would transform the country into a 3rd world ****hole. Think about how that would effect what a person studies in college? Why would someone want to earn a degree in something extremely difficult like chemical engineering, when they could earn a degree in something far easier and less study intensive like race theory which will guarantee them the same pay when they become employed? Such a policy would destroy individual incentives and result in a lazy, unproductive national workforce.

You may think that such a policy isn't communism/socialism, but that's precisely what it is.

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[Oborosen]

So, do you agree or disagree that we should pay fairly and determine your rate of pay based strictly on your level of educational attainment and time of service?

I would only support it, if the business that hired me supported it and not all businesses would.

A man working the counter at a corner store, should not expect to make more money than his co-workers. Simply because he has a Ba in economics, that degree is meant to be his stepping ladder to a higher job as is. Anyone who sits in a comparatively small job, with something like a masters degree, is wasting their potential in my opinion. That's why people are expected to climb the ladder in whatever job they have, no matter what their own feelings about that job is.

In truth, I wouldn't expect my job to pay me more for having a degree that is above the station they've given me. Because that degree is my vehicle to a higher paying job.

 

[Mary Dunsmore]

OK, so I am from the UK and don't know what goes on in the U.S. However, my guess is that it is pretty much the same, and the figures banded around by feminists and lefty liberals are wrong. I am for ever hearing that men earn more than women, when actual fact it has been proven that women earn fractionally more than men in the same scenario. Women are more likely to work part time, women are more likely to take ten years away from work to bring up children, and women tend to have a better work/life balance. All these factors mean that women are likely to earn less than men. That said, has anyone in the last twenty years seen a company pay scale that has two columns, one for men and one for women. Of course not. People are paid for their knowledge, experience, and attitude, NOT their gender.

 

[ludin]

What is the best course of action to deal with the gender bias in our society where professions dominated by men are considered more valuable than those dominated by women? For example, an elementary school teacher with a Masters degree in Education is not paid the same as those in male dominated professions, such as Mechanical Engineering. I say the government should enforce prevailing wage based on educational attainment and time in service to remove the discrimination.

Jobs are paid per category. Educational wages are set by the state not the federal government. The federal government has no say in what states pay their teachers.

Employers should have a set salary based on your educational attainment and your time in service. Your employer can not pay you more or less, regardless of gender ratio in your field.

All companies have salary ranges depending on the skill set of the person. there are different factors that come into how much someone makes.

There should not be scattered unions. All workers in the country should be in one union together and your field should be irrelevant. I am not talking about Communism. I am not talking about everybody getting paid the same. You would be paid based on your skills. If you have a High School diploma and 3 years of work experience, you get paid a certain amount per hour. If you have a 4 year degree and 6 years of experience, you get paid more.

this makes no sense. I don't want to be in a union. They have nothing they can offer me.
yes field is relevent i do much more intense work than a bag boy so why should a person that does nothing but be a
bag boy make the same as me?

I don't want to make the same as a bag boy my knowledge and skill earns me more money.

 

[ludin]

OK, so I am from the UK and don't know what goes on in the U.S. However, my guess is that it is pretty much the same, and the figures banded around by feminists and lefty liberals are wrong. I am for ever hearing that men earn more than women, when actual fact it has been proven that women earn fractionally more than men in the same scenario. Women are more likely to work part time, women are more likely to take ten years away from work to bring up children, and women tend to have a better work/life balance. All these factors mean that women are likely to earn less than men. That said, has anyone in the last twenty years seen a company pay scale that has two columns, one for men and one for women. Of course not. People are paid for their knowledge, experience, and attitude, NOT their gender.

it is a myth.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/karina...uy-into-the-gender-pay-gap-myth/#301125e32596

Using the statistic that women make 78 cents on the dollar as evidence of rampant discrimination has been debunked over and over again. That statistic doesn’t take into account a lot of choices that women and men make—education, years of experience and hours worked—that influence earnings. If we want to have a fruitful discussion about a gender wage gap, we should have it after the comparison is adjusted for those factors.

I think when compared equally the difference was like 10 cent or 20 cents or something.
it really wasn't that big. i would have to look it up again.

 

[noonereal]

What is the best course of action to deal with the gender bias in our society where professions dominated by men are considered more valuable than those dominated by women? For example, an elementary school teacher with a Masters degree in Education is not paid the same as those in male dominated professions, such as Mechanical Engineering. I say the government should enforce prevailing wage based on educational attainment and time in service to remove the discrimination.

Employers should have a set salary based on your educational attainment and your time in service. Your employer can not pay you more or less, regardless of gender ratio in your field.

There should not be scattered unions. All workers in the country should be in one union together and your field should be irrelevant. I am not talking about Communism. I am not talking about everybody getting paid the same. You would be paid based on your skills. If you have a High School diploma and 3 years of work experience, you get paid a certain amount per hour. If you have a 4 year degree and 6 years of experience, you get paid more.

What is your agenda with such a convoluted, ridiculous post?