How are groups like Azov (or the other side's militias) viewed by the regular military of one's side?

[Centrist]

In the video below the Azov far right regiment is fighting russian troops.

Below the video the most popular comment is:

A true soldier fights NOT because he hates what is front of him, but because he loves what is behind me.

The russians also have radical left militias in the easter part of Ukraine as well.

This statement can be applied to them as well.

In one picture there was a russian tank with a Soviet flag spotted while on the way to the war zone.



How are groups like Azov (or the other side's militias) viewed by the regular military of one's side? Do they fight more based on hatred for other side? Are they "true soldiers" ?

 

[bomberfox]

Dunno but personally let azov be canon fodder let whatever god they pray to sort em out. There will be less threats to humanity then and less death cultists. Nazis are more dedicated to the race war than the survival of their own people. Ditto for those turner diaries death cultists.

 

[Ginger Ale]

I think everyone is fighting over there right now, and they're all fighting to have a country to love or hate in. So, difficult variables to judge in.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

The russians also have radical left militias in the easter part of Ukraine as well.

Lol what? What radical left militia groups does Russia have.

How are groups like Azov (or the other side's militias) viewed by the regular military of one's side?

Well, considering the amount of in/out group there is already between regular military forces, I imagine not particularly well.

 

[Slartibartfast]

In the video below the Azov far right regiment is fighting russian troops.

Below the video the most popular comment is:

A true soldier fights NOT because he hates what is front of him, but because he loves what is behind me.

The russians also have radical left militias in the easter part of Ukraine as well.

This statement can be applied to them as well.

In one picture there was a russian tank with a Soviet flag spotted while on the way to the war zone.

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How are groups like Azov (or the other side's militias) viewed by the regular military of one's side? Do they fight more based on hatred for other side? Are they "true soldiers" ?

People like them are great to put on the front line to do damage and soak up bullets, so more well adjusted people can inherit the victory.

 

[Centrist]

Lol what? What radical left militia groups does Russia have.

Stronghold is the main rival of Azov and Right Sector. Young russian speakers mostly from Eastern Ukraine.

This is an old picture i located, also that PBS documentary i attached on that other thread will explain this phemomen.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Stronghold is the main rival of Azov and Right Sector. Young russian speakers mostly from Eastern Ukraine.

Link? Google isn't turning anything up.

 

[Centrist]

Link? Google isn't turning anything up.

Well is not as advertised as Azov.

If you watch this full documentary it will explain the groups dynamics and the stronghold vs right sector divide in Eastern Ukraine:

Click here

 

[Centrist]

Some members of the American group Forward Observations are also present in Ukraine fighting the Russians.

When asked by a follower on Instagram if they are affiliated with the Azov regiment, the member managing the profile denied any affiliation with the far right group.

 

[Rogue Valley]

In late 2014, the privately funded Azov Battalion was folded into the Ukraine National Guard and upgraded to a Regiment.

Its far-right leadership was cashiered from the military and founded the National Corps political party.

The Azov Regiment today is fighting Russians in the Mariupol area (Sector-M), probably the most dangerous military sector in Ukraine.

The Azov Battalion: How Putin built a false premise for a war against "Nazis" in Ukraine

References to "Nazi battalions" appear in virtually all Russian news reports about the war in Ukraine. Here's why.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Centrist]

(Sector-M), probably the most dangerous military sector in Ukraine.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

At this point it is no longer just strict military.
Imagine if Russians decided to invade California.
As in Ukraine, we would see all manner of people volunteering to fight, in the streets, not necessarily as sworn members
of the military but all the same, if offered, of course many would join, and some would simply remain in the fight as guerillas.

Here in Los Angeles we have a fairly sizeable street gang element.
Their politics are every bit as questionable as the Azov battalion's and I am sure their scruples aren't the best.
But what would the average Angeleno say about them, knowing they are taking the fight to the invaders?

Back in 2004 when my wife was awarded her first handicap accessible ramp van by the VA we went to visit
the dealership in Euless, TX that specialized in selling them.
The salesman was quite charmed by Karen and we were invited into his office which was decorated in a
very interesting and unusual manner, kind of what you'd expect to see in the office of some huge sports fan.
And, of course, he broke out his scrapbooks, pictures of his custom cars, fishing, hunting, and his son who
was serving in the Army, of whom he was very very proud.
Only his son was sporting two gigantic NAZI tattoos, one on each bicep, and he was posed for the picture
with his arms flexed and the two giant swastikas brightly lit by the Sun.

My father's side of the family are all Holocaust survivors.
But I kept quiet and we filled out the paperwork and took possession of the van.
But I never forgot the insult, and as it turns out, the salesman lost his job a couple of months later.
I don't know why but I wouldn't be surprised if it was him showing off his Nazi son.

That said, if his son wanted to fight Russian invaders in California, I'd welcome the idea.

 

[Nilhus]

Their politics are every bit as questionable as the Azov battalion's

No. Azov members hold neonazi views, believing that different nations/ethnicities must be treated differently, some being downright undesirable. Their criminal behavior is rooted in strong ideological beliefs. While American gangs are just opportunistic criminals committing crime to make money. Huge difference between the two, just look at any conflict involving ideologues(nazists or ascists/hardcore commies/extremist muslims/american or british imperialism), they dwarf all the other criminals combined in terms of death, suffering and destruction caused!

 

[Rogue Valley]

No. Azov members hold neonazi views, believing that different nations/ethnicities must be treated differently, some being downright undesirable. Their criminal behavior is rooted in strong ideological beliefs. While American gangs are just opportunistic criminals committing crime to make money. Huge difference between the two, just look at any conflict involving ideologues(nazists or ascists/hardcore commies/extremist muslims/american or british imperialism), they dwarf all the other criminals combined in terms of death, suffering and destruction caused!

The Azov Battalion was disbanded 8 years ago.

The Azov Battalion: How Putin built a false premise for a war against "Nazis" in Ukraine

References to "Nazi battalions" appear in virtually all Russian news reports about the war in Ukraine. Here's why.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Litwin]

What radical left militia groups does Russia have.

Moscow had support some of radical left militia groups in the first Ukrainian - Moscow war (2014-). This second M-U war some of radical left militia groups support Ukraine instead , the imperialist Moscow still target the radical left with its propaganda but wont work for them this time , Moscow has better chances with Iranian shia militia .... some leftists PKK Kurds maybe , Turkish media reported it, but they need our support in Syria so very little chance that they will help pootler to legalize his aggression against Ukraine

 

[Centrist]

Since we are talking about the scrambled political fractions in Ukraine:

I would like to inform the anarchists on the board, that you are represented there too:

 

[Litwin]

Since we are talking about the scrambled political fractions in Ukraine:

I would like to inform the anarchists on the board, that you are represented there too:

Belarusians are the biggest group of foreign fighters in Ukraine , Moscow (using pro Moscow satrap Loo) organized pure witch hunt on the Anarchists in Belarus , so its not strange that Belarusian Anarchists fight back Moscow barbaric imperialism in Ukraine

 

[Litwin]

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

No. Azov members hold neonazi views, believing that different nations/ethnicities must be treated differently, some being downright undesirable. Their criminal behavior is rooted in strong ideological beliefs. While American gangs are just opportunistic criminals committing crime to make money. Huge difference between the two, just look at any conflict involving ideologues(nazists or ascists/hardcore commies/extremist muslims/american or british imperialism), they dwarf all the other criminals combined in terms of death, suffering and destruction caused!

And there's still ten times as many neonazis in our own military AND our own police force as there are in Ukraine.
And the other difference is, ours are getting money from billionaire donors, and participating in attempts to overthrow our government.
Notice how Ukrainians defend their capital while we attack ours.
Sit down.

 

[Litwin]

In the video below the Azov far right regiment is fighting russian troops.

Below the video the most popular comment is:

A true soldier fights NOT because he hates what is front of him, but because he loves what is behind me.

The russians also have radical left militias in the easter part of Ukraine as well.

This statement can be applied to them as well.

In one picture there was a russian tank with a Soviet flag spotted while on the way to the war zone.

View attachment 67381812

How are groups like Azov (or the other side's militias) viewed by the regular military of one's side? Do they fight more based on hatred for other side? Are they "true soldiers" ?

 

[Centrist]

Litwin, I shared this before on another thread and will share it here too:

One day, the fascists came to my home country. Do you think they placed a magic spell on people to turn them into fascists right away? Only someone with superficial thinking can believe that.

No, they recruited from

right-wing nationalistic religious thinking people. They were not extreme for a few months/years then slowly they started listening to only one side and committed atrocities. Do I have to tell you the crimes of fascism or the horror stories of what the Legionaries movement did to the Jewish population and other minority groups?

Now, do you know what happened ?

Some of the SAME individuals that wore the SS stripes went to the changeroom and came out with a Red Uniform. They were working for the Soviets now. They decided to listen to the other side only. This movement was embraced by moderates, in the name of equality + socialists, Marxists etc. Do I have to tell you the crimes of communism in the name of atheism and equality?

and in some countries, it goes opposite. First communism -> after fascism. Some are slower than others.

It always reminded me of the entropic (entropy) concept in physics.
*relating to or characterized by a doctrine of inevitable social decline and degeneration:
*a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system.

So, please don't insult my intelligence with Ukrainian propaganda. If it was up to Zelensky and his social media followers we would have a nuclear war by now.

Is good they put men like Stoltenberg leading NATO and not emotional idealists or else by the time this war ends there would be no NATO.



Yeah, I know ---> I am Chamberlain now.

 

[Litwin]

Litwin, I shared this before on another thread and will share it here too:

One day, the fascists came to my home country. Do you think they placed a magic spell on people to turn them into fascists right away? Only someone with superficial thinking can believe that.

No, they recruited from

right-wing nationalistic religious thinking people. They were not extreme for a few months/years then slowly they started listening to only one side and committed atrocities. Do I have to tell you the crimes of fascism or the horror stories of what the Legionaries movement did to the Jewish population and other minority groups?

Now, do you know what happened ?

Some of the SAME individuals that wore the SS stripes went to the changeroom and came out with a Red Uniform. They were working for the Soviets now. They decided to listen to the other side only. This movement was embraced by moderates, in the name of equality + socialists, Marxists etc. Do I have to tell you the crimes of communism in the name of atheism and equality?

and in some countries, it goes opposite. First communism -> after fascism. Some are slower than others.

It always reminded me of the entropic (entropy) concept in physics.
*relating to or characterized by a doctrine of inevitable social decline and degeneration:
*a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system.

So, please don't insult my intelligence with Ukrainian propaganda. If it was up to Zelensky and his social media followers we would have a nuclear war by now.

Is good they put men like Stoltenberg leading NATO and not emotional idealists or else by the time this war ends there would be no NATO.



Yeah, I know ---> I am Chamberlain now.

 

[Centrist]

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Yes, Putin is supported by his own neo-nazi element.

Here's an article about this too:

Putin's fascists:

https://theconversation.com/putins-...ory-of-cultivating-homegrown-neo-nazis-178535

While Putin is cultivating homegrown neo nazis, he also has the support of the Communist Party. The Communist Party in Russia has declared its full support for the war.

They recruit from both opposites in the political spectrum.

The Ukrainian SBU learned well from their FSB brothers. After all is the same parent: the KGB.

They allow Azov to function as part of an integrated army while it gets far-right recruits from the western world. At the same time, it managed to get in the heads of westerners to doubt the NATO alliance which is the best that ever happened to Europe in my opinion. You have people that were anti-war activists yesterday and now they want to fight with Russia as a result of this campaign. I think is also fair to mention that without the alliance, Ukraine would be a FSB state within 1 week.

I stand with Ukrainian people, not with temporary opportunists and not with the secret police that has no idea about diplomacy. Just to give you an idea, as a result of the refugee crisis, Romania's far-right is around 20 %. The economic crisis will drive populism. By the time Zelensky finishes his rants on Twitter, we will all be run by Putin-style/authoritarian politics in the west.

 

[Litwin]

Yes, Putin is supported by his own neo-nazi element.

AND pootler ( like all Moscow imperialists ) is A FASCIST !

 

[Tigerace117]

The Azov Regiment are literal Neo Nazis who have committed a boatload of war crimes. Calling them “heroes” is ****ing sick.