How are groups like Azov (or the other side's militias) viewed by the regular military of one's side?

[bomberfox]

And there ya go Litwin cheering on nazis again.

 

[bomberfox]

Putin has helped many far right elements in countries of interest, the Russian government and oligarchs have as well. Seems to be throwing in with a rather popular American cold war strategy. Course Putin knew he couldnt depose democratic leaders with full blown coups so he went the propaganda route and plenty of countries fell for it.

 

[Litwin]

again

an ivan/RT.ru lover stroke again form the darkness of deniability

 

[Tigerace117]

an ivan/RT.ru lover stroke again form the darkness of deniability

The Azov thugs are Nazis bud. You being triggered by that fact doesn’t change it.

 

[Centrist]

The video below is propaganda from the Russians. It trends on their social media too. They are almost there to seizing Mariupol, the person below says is 100 %, they are not there just yet.

The Russians are playing propaganda music and video -> happy times with 5-6 people that most likely were bussed from Russia as "professional tourists".

 

[Centrist]

Another video from Mariupol:

 

[watsup]

The Azov Regiment are literal Neo Nazis who have committed a boatload of war crimes. Calling them “heroes” is ****ing sick.

The Azov Regiment are literal Neo Nazis who have committed a boatload of war crimes. Calling them “heroes” is ****ing sick.

Still a one trick pony, I see.

 

[Tigerace117]

Still a one trick pony, I see.

Still desperately trying to defend Nazis I see.

 

[watsup]

Still desperately trying to defend Nazis I see.

Still telling the same old one trick pony lies, I see.

 

[Tigerace117]

Still telling the same old one trick pony lies, I see.

Have you ever mustered up the spine to face the fact that the Azov thugs are Nazis?

 

[Mr. Invisible]

And there's still ten times as many neonazis in our own military AND our own police force as there are in Ukraine.
And the other difference is, ours are getting money from billionaire donors, and participating in attempts to overthrow our government.
Notice how Ukrainians defend their capital while we attack ours.
Sit down.

So it's okay to have Nazis as long as they are defending the capital?

 

[Mr. Invisible]

Still telling the same old one trick pony lies, I see.

The Azovs are Nazis, so much so that when Obama was giving Ukraine funding, they explicitly said it couldn't go to far right groups like Azov. (https://thehill.com/policy/defense/...ersial-ukrainian-militia-linked-to-neo-nazis/)

This also has some good info for those who want to say that they have moderated. (https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/the-azov-regiment-has-not-depoliticized/)

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

So it's okay to have Nazis as long as they are defending the capital?

Show me where I said that.

 

[watsup]

So it's okay to have Nazis as long as they are defending the capital?

They are helping to try to drive the invading Russians from the country at this point. Do you have a realistic alternative to offer?

 

[Mr. Invisible]

Show me where I said that.

Rather than just saying "Hey, **** those Nazis" you literally went and pointed to the Neo-Nazis in the US military and police force, which, while true, has no bearing on the situation here. More importantly, your post came off as a "So what?" attitude with you saying that they were defending the capital and for folks to "sit down."

They are helping to try to drive the invading Russians from the country at this point. Do you have a realistic alternative to offer?

1) The US and co and do their best to ensure that the weapons we are giving Ukraine don't end up in the hands of those idiots.

2) Ukraine can actively target the Nazis and take them out. They may be defending Ukraine now but by allowing them to be hailed as defenders, it could open up political problems (read: coups) down the road.

 

[watsup]

Rather than just saying "Hey, **** those Nazis" you literally went and pointed to the Neo-Nazis in the US military and police force, which, while true, has no bearing on the situation here. More importantly, your post came off as a "So what?" attitude with you saying that they were defending the capital and for folks to "sit down."



1) The US and co and do their best to ensure that the weapons we are giving Ukraine don't end up in the hands of those idiots.

2) Ukraine can actively target the Nazis and take them out. They may be defending Ukraine now but by allowing them to be hailed as defenders, it could open up political problems (read: coups) down the road.

I see. So you want the Ukrainians to take time out from their war with the military forces of the evil murderous thug Putin and instead attack those who are also fighting those forces.
In other words, you DON’T have any REALISTIC alternatives, You sit comfortably in your nice house typing away in a lather about “Nazis” while the fine citizens of Ukraine are dying and their cities are being ruined. How very nice.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Rather than just saying "Hey, **** those Nazis" you literally went and pointed to the Neo-Nazis in the US military and police force, which, while true, has no bearing on the situation here. More importantly, your post came off as a "So what?" attitude with you saying that they were defending the capital and for folks to "sit down."
1) The US and co and do their best to ensure that the weapons we are giving Ukraine don't end up in the hands of those idiots.
2) Ukraine can actively target the Nazis and take them out. They may be defending Ukraine now but by allowing them to be hailed as defenders, it could open up political problems (read: coups) down the road.

More like "people in glass houses" (like Trump lovers) best not throw stones.

RE

1) That's the best we can hope for, plus it's hard to reconcile Azov's support for Volodymyr Zelenskyy, a Jewish president, unless there's something about most of the Azov's current stance that you're not aware of, or if you're a Trump/Putin supporter.

2) See #1. OR...give Zelenskyy a call.
Skype recently made ALL telephone calls to Ukraine FREE if you have a Skype Telephone number.

 

[Mr. Invisible]

I see. So you want the Ukrainians to take time out from their war with the military forces of the evil murderous thug Putin and instead attack those who are also fighting those forces.
In other words, you DON’T have any REALISTIC alternatives, You sit comfortably in your nice house typing away in a lather about “Nazis” while the fine citizens of Ukraine are dying and their cities are being ruined. How very nice.

Actually no. If anything regarding the war, I would support immediate, no pre-conditions diplomacy as that's the only thing that's going to solve the situation.

 

[Centrist]

It is not the job of Vladimir Putin to police the internal far right of a country.

Politics is also balancing your idealism with the reality of your people.

Zelensky knew this since he is working with FORMER Azov. Also he understands the horrible crimes that Stalin did in Ukraine which turned a lot of Ukrainian to accept the devil Hitler for a few months.

Maybe you would have to, some hunger will switch your loyality very quick and if you see the world as "us" vs "them" you bet they will get your mind. Regardless if Stalin or Hitler type of doctrine in my opinion.

The FSB propaganda leaves out the fact that Ukrainians when they realized what Hitler was doing switched arms and push the Germans back.

I think Zelensky is terrible for a lot of diplomatic issues with NATO but to attack Ukraine over "nazis" is superficial in my opinion.

Good day

 

[watsup]

Actually no. If anything regarding the war, I would support immediate, no pre-conditions diplomacy as that's the only thing that's going to solve the situation.

Then call Mr Putin and recommend that.