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How Accurate is the Bible?

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Here is every event and individual in the Bible we have physical evidence of...

https://www.ranker.com/list/physical-evidence-of-biblical-stories/genevieve-carlton
 
Yes, the bible provably contains some facts along with fictional explanations.
Were it not for the knowledge we've acquired about nature, many major natural events would continue to be explained as being caused by God, and perhaps even more books added to the bible by self professed prophets of God(s).
 
Here is every event and individual in the Bible we have physical evidence of...

https://www.ranker.com/list/physical-evidence-of-biblical-stories/genevieve-carlton
One could say the Bible is the most accurate book, because of its crypto-nature, if you study a Strong's Concordance, the case for a superior intelligence becomes very strong.

In Genesis, life first comes from the sea. Stromatolites put oxygen in the air, man evolves from primates because they climb trees, although there are variations, oxygen may come from another source, the species and humanity may differ.

But the Bible has a fictional start, really, consistent with the Lord's nature, humility, clever priests from India preached to the people of Jericho who were living in the hills after their cities fell of internal struggle.

The prophetic nature of the Bible is outstanding.

My question is, "Is Daniel fake?"

I believe the gospels were written by Christ's very disciples with no exaggeration.
 
I love the link to proof of crucifiction. They found a bone with a nail in it. And on this we are supposed to believe in a jesus let alone jesus was crucified.
 
Here is every event and individual in the Bible we have physical evidence of...


https://www.ranker.com/list/physical-evidence-of-biblical-stories/genevieve-carlton

And the time to believe something is when there’s verifiable evidence of it. The fact that the Bible contains SOME true things that can be verified, does not in any way demonstrate that other things the Bible says are true.

Do you believe Spider-Man exists? His comics are full of facts we know to be true about New York. So clearly Spider-Man must be real, right?
 
I love the link to proof of crucifiction. They found a bone with a nail in it. And on this we are supposed to believe in a jesus let alone jesus was crucified.

No, actually you can be an unbeliever and wind up in the Lake of Fire (Rev. 21:8).
 
My question is, "Is Daniel fake?"
Daniel was real!

The Prophet Daniel is found in the Dead Sea Scrolls:

Comment: It is interesting to note that every chapter of Daniel is represented in these manuscripts, except for Dan 12. However, this does not mean that the Book lacked the final chapter at Qumran, since Dan 12:10 is quoted in the Florilegium (4Q174) - (Dead Sea Scrolls), which explicitly tells us that it is written in the Book of Daniel the Prophet.


Jesus confirms Daniel is a Prophet

The Lord Jesus Christ spoke of Daniel "the prophet" (Matthew 24:15; Mark 13:14).


Alexander the Great and Daniel

JOSEPHUS [Antiquities, 11.8.5] mentions that Alexander the Great had designed to punish the Jews for their fidelity to Darius, but that Jaddua (332 B.C.), the high priest, met him at the head of a procession and averted his wrath by showing him Daniel's prophecy that a Grecian monarch should overthrow Persia. Certain it is, Alexander favored the Jews, and JOSEPHUS' statement gives an explanation of the fact; at least it shows that the Jews in JOSEPHUS' days believed that Daniel was extant in Alexander's days, long before the Maccabees.


The Talmud refers to Daniel as a Prophet


Hatach. Hatach is another name for the prophet Daniel. He was called Hatach (related to the Hebrew word for "cut") because he was "cut down," demoted from his position of greatness, which he held at the courts of the previous kings (Megillah 15a).


What you have to believe if Daniel didn’t write the Book of Daniel

The (critics of Daniel) cannot believe in miracles and predictive prophecy which involve nothing but a simple faith in a wise and mighty and merciful God intervening in behalf of his people for his own glory and their salvation; BUT THEY CAN BELIEVE that a lot of obstreperous and cantankerous Jews who through all their history from Jacob and Esau down to the present time have disagreed and quarreled about almost everything, or nothing, could have accepted, unanimously and without a murmur, in an age when they were enlightened by the brilliant light of Platos philosophy, and Aristotles logic, and the criticism of the schools of Alexandria, a forged and ficticious document, untrue to the well remembered facts of their own experience and to the easily ascertained facts concerning their own past history and the history of the Babylonians, Medes, Persians, and Greeks of whom the author (of the book of Daniel) writes. R.D. Wilson, Studies in the Book of Daniel, pages 268, 269

The Sanhedrin of the second century B.C. was composed of men of the type of John Hyrcanus; men famed for their piety and learning; men who were heirs of all the proud traditions of the Jewish faith, and themselves the sons of successors of the heroes of the noble Maccabean revolt. And yet we are asked to believe (by the critics of Daniel) that these men, with their extremely strict views of inspiration and their intense reverence for their sacred writings, used their authority to smuggle into the Jewish Canon a book which, ex hypothesi, was a forgery, a literary fraud, and a religious novel of recent date. R. Anderson, Daniel in the Critics Den, pages 104-105 https://righterreport.com/2022/03/02/was-daniel-a-real-individual-in-history/
 
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The bible is every bit as accurate as many other great pieces of literature.


 
About as accurate as a blind man throwing darts
 

And so we can reasonably state that a prominent Hebrew leader named Daniel did exist and was involved in major geopolitical events at the time.

We canNOT say he was actually a “prophet” or that any of supernatural claims about him are true.
 
I love the link to proof of crucifiction. They found a bone with a nail in it. And on this we are supposed to believe in a jesus let alone jesus was crucified.
From a tooth they built Peking man.
 
From a tooth they built Peking man.

And that was disproved by the Bible!

…wait… no… that’s not correct…

*puts on glasses and checks notes*

Oh, right. Here it is. That was disproved by science via the study of verifiable empirical evidence.
 
Perhaps there was no-one like Daniel, and in shame they fabricated the story and wove it into prophesy they were already aware of.

I lean a little towards Daniel being true but with no certainty, certainly not 40%.

In favor of a real narrative, where did the potency go?

Daniel meets Gabriel in a Babylonian temple, but such a fabrication can be made so you can't tell, otherwise it looks in every way like a first hand account.

I don't accept the proofs in your post, Daniel would already have been fabricated before any of those events and the accurate prophesy is attainable by priests who might put them in such a fabrication.

Jesus spoke of Abraham, but said, "What I would tell you you couldn't bear."
 
If there was a Daniel, then the book is an accurate first hand account.
 
No it isn’t.
You wouldn't go fabricate that on a real person.

The declaration is bold, Daniel has fame for the Centuries, either it was a bold lie, or it was the truth.

Such miracles are not extraordinary.
 
How scary, but still preferable to spending eternity with a bunch of christians.
Perhaps the "Lake if Fire" is just an artistic name for a giant jacuzzi.
 
Well, Al certainly didn't have a high opinion of this bible…

…a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. ... -- Einstein, 1954

A collection of primitive, childish legends … LOL
 
No it isn’t.
Daniel was first to three kings, how did he attain such an office?

It was a demonstration of vegetarian principles, thus Daniel had potency, thus the account is first hand and not story delivered by later priesthood and how would they attain such prophesy? Jerusalem was sacked, she would never attain her former glory. Would scribes allow a fabrication to enter their cannon?

So we find that the only reaason we don't believe Daniel, is because it could have been a fabrication and you couldn't tell, but where would come the potency for such a fabrication unless it be God?
 
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